Recommitted Marc Murphy [re-signed]

[Go Woods]

He's the captain and the only reliable senior body in the midfield.

Cripps?

 

[footyfan000001]

Very keen on him. We desperately need some outside class.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Our midfield is built on versatility and pressure.

Petracca, Brayshaw, Harmes, ANB, Melksham, Salem, Vince, Lewis, Hannan and Fritsch all have more strings to their bow and suit our needs more than Murphy, we have no need for him.

You are seriously underrating Murphy, he’d come in and straight away be your best outside mid even at 31. Put any of those blokes in Carlton’s side and probably only Petracca has similar output.

Melbourne would be crazy not to chase Murphy for 2 years considering they are moving into a window.

I hope he stays a 1 club player. No compensation is worth the cultural issues at this stage.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Murphy would be great for us again, if we could use him forward of centre all of the time. He has been bashed playing roles he probably isn't suited for. Not worth losing him when our midfield is so shallow as it is. The compensation/trade would be uninspiring.

 

[Benaly28]

Tigers or dees.However would complement bombers midfield.

 

[Jell]

Carlton have nothing to gain by trading him or letting him go, At best Salary cap space which they probably dont need

He is worth more to carlton than any other team for both leadership and a mature body but will be 31 this july maybe 2 years left in the tank

Should stay 1 club player

100%!!! Part of the reason we're struggling so much this year is because we let Gibbs go, leaving us with just Cripps and Ed Curnow as senior (and capable) bodies in the midfield. Murphy being out injured has hurt us further and now people want us to get rid of him too. We can't go into the season with Cripps as our only A Grade mid. Curnow is a solid contributor, but for us to be successful, he needs to be our 5th best midfielder, not our 2nd. So until Fisher, SPS, Dow and Kennedy etc, become solid and consistent contributors, we simply cannot afford to lose someone like Murph.

 

[THE_GUN]

100%!!! Part of the reason we're struggling so much this year is because we let Gibbs go, leaving us with just Cripps and Ed Curnow as senior (and capable) bodies in the midfield. Murphy being out injured has hurt us further and now people want us to get rid of him too. We can't go into the season with Cripps as our only A Grade mid. Curnow is a solid contributor, but for us to be successful, he needs to be our 5th best midfielder, not our 2nd. So until Fisher, SPS, Dow and Kennedy etc, become solid and consistent contributors, we simply cannot afford to lose someone like Murph.

The biggest isuue carlton will face with being uncompetitive is that it breeds a losing mentality in the younger players and they forget how to win and after a while get disillusioned and look to move on.
Patty Cripps is 23 and if Carlton are in a similar or bottom 4-5 position in 2021 when he becomes 26 years old and is eligible as a free agent he would have to consider looking at moving for the dollars and loyalties will be out the window.

It probably sounds like it wont happen and the supporters could scream Nahh patty bleeds blue etc etc etc but lets just have a look at what he may think
1. Going to get paid $1.2 mi where ever i play
2. West Coast/Freo are a good team
3. They are in the West where possibly going back to finish up there
4. Play Finals/win flags etc etc (in freo's case this could be an issue )

Then he would need to consider loyalty ??
Carlton traded Gibbs - No prob
Carlton traded 2E - No Problem
Carlton Traded Murphy - No Problem

Just doesnt sit well if you know what i mean about Loyalty/Culture etc etc
You just need some club champions finishing at the club and respect of 1 club players to be envied by your young champs

I personally would hate to see Cotchin , Riewoldt , Rance , Martin , Edwards , Vlastuin , Astbury , Grimes be moved on and play for other teams
Unless its like the Hodge/Mitchell scenario where they are effectively coaching

 

[RudyBlue]

Viney, Oliver and Jones who else have you got that’s a better midfielder than Murphy.

He would be a great pick up for you guys.

He would not suit Melbourne at all.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Then he would need to consider loyalty ??
Carlton traded Gibbs - No prob
Carlton traded 2E - No Problem
Carlton Traded Murphy - No Problem

Just doesnt sit well if you know what i mean about Loyalty/Culture etc etc

Whose loyalty? Carlton aren't "disloyal" if players ask to move.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Then he would need to consider loyalty ??
Carlton traded Gibbs - No prob
Carlton traded 2E - No Problem
Carlton Traded Murphy - No Problem

I personally would hate to see Cotchin , Riewoldt , Rance , Martin , Edwards , Vlastuin , Astbury , Grimes be moved on and play for other teams
Unless its like the Hodge/Mitchell scenario where they are effectively coaching

Huh? That’s just nonsense. Gibbs requested a trade home after having a child and even then we kept him a year longer than he probably would have liked. Touhy also requested a trade and we let him go for clear unders. Murphy hasn’t even left the club yet and I highly doubt we will.

No different to Richmond catering to Deledio’s needs after he’d had enough of losing.

The only player we haven’t been loyal too was Betts and that was a Malthouse call, and even then he had the go home factor involved and depending on who you ask he was out the door no matter what.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Tigers or dees.However would complement bombers midfield.

Would take at the Bombers

 

[Jell]

The biggest isuue carlton will face with being uncompetitive is that it breeds a losing mentality in the younger players and they forget how to win and after a while get disillusioned and look to move on.
Patty Cripps is 23 and if Carlton are in a similar or bottom 4-5 position in 2021 when he becomes 26 years old and is eligible as a free agent he would have to consider looking at moving for the dollars and loyalties will be out the window.

I agree with the losing mentality, which is why it's so imperative to keep Murphy and bolster our chances of winning games beyond this year. But I honestly think we'll be showing enough by 2021 to keep Cripps around. History shows it takes about 5 years for a rebuild to be truly effective. I know people love to throw up that we've been 'rebuilding for 20 years', but the reality of the situation is that we've failed in 2 rebuilds and this is our third and probably most promising crack at it. We're now 2 and half years into this, but by 2020/2021, I think we'll be taking off. We really need to have a crack at bringing in some established midfielders via trade or free agency, but at least we have the KPP building blocks in place which are usually the hardest to attain.

Cripps will likely be made captain or co-captain from next season, I think he'll find enough incentive to stay.

 

[Suma Magic]

I guess he could be band 3 which would basically be band 2 for the blues.

Be better to keep him unless he is desperate to leave.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Damien Barrett has come up with some absolute gibberish on Murphy, claiming the Blues should try to get a top five pick for him as compensation.

Honestly, some of his rationale sounds like it came from a BigFooty newbie who doesn't understand that FA compensation gets sorted into different bands.

Just as Melbourne conjured national draft pick No.3, which was added to its already established pick No.2, when James Frawley exited as a free agent at the end of 2014, Carlton has the scope to use Marc Murphy as leverage in an attempt to get consecutive early picks, potentially picks one and two, in this year's draft.

Yeah, so you're saying they should push for Band 1 compensation for Murphy, who's nearly 31 and probably won't get big money if he leaves.

While the AFL will tell us there is a formula applied to the compensation granted a club for loss of a free agent, the clubs know the formula is whatever the AFL wants it to be at that given point in time.

The AFL's own free agency rules state that compensation is calculated after factoring in the new contract as well as the age of the free agent.

Yes Damien. Compensation gets sorted into different bands: first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round etc.

This is quite an important piece of information if you are going to write a whole article about what kind of compensation a club might get should they lose a free agent. It's weird that it doesn't appear anywhere in your article. It would be like writing an analysis about a team's list management while pretending that the salary cap isn't a thing.

In 2014, Melbourne was told it wasn't getting a priority pick, but was extraordinarily able to receive No.3 pick compensation for losing Frawley to Hawthorn.

Pick two in that 2014 draft was used on Christian Petracca, pick three on Angus Brayshaw. Both players now loom as crucial to Melbourne's premiership push four seasons later.

Yeah. They got Band 1 compensation.

The flexibility in the AFL player movement and free agency system has seen Hawthorn receive draft pick No.19 for losing one of the all-time greats in Lance Franklin to Sydney at the end of 2013.

Geelong received the same pick - 19 - when Steven Motlop took his free agency to Port Adelaide last year.

Damien, are you seriously going to write a whole piece about free agency compensation without saying anything about the different bands for compensation?

Hawthorn got Band 1 compensation for Franklin. Geelong got Band 2 compensation for Motlop.

No one is saying Motlop is as good as Franklin, but the way the bands are set up, compensation can be linked to a team's ladder position, depending on which band. Surely this is worth noting if you're going to write a whole piece about what Carlton hopes to get for Murphy. You are saying they should try to extract Band 1 compensation, which would give them a pick after their existing first-rounder.

OMG, are you saying he's better than Franklin?! Because Hawthorn only got pick 19! That is the equivalent of what you've posited here regarding the Franklin and Motlop compo picks. Dumb as shit, isn't it?

Some other random compensation rewards have seen pick 25 go to Fremantle for Chris Mayne, pick 23 head to Melbourne for Col Sylvia, pick 13 and pick 25 to St Kilda respectively for Brendon Goddard and Nick Dal Santo.

Random? Do you seriously not know about the different bands?

I get it – the compensation for different players varies. But it's much less "random" if you start by explaining that there are different bands. You have totally overlooked that so maybe that's why it looks "random".

But if he seeks a new home, the Blues must seek to manipulate the system as others have done before them.

Until the AFL bans all compensation for loss of free agents, and while it adheres to wiggle-room formula, the entire free agency is open to manipulation.

With a creative pitch and persuasive behind-the-scenes manoeuvring, Carlton this year can tap into the AFL's magic formula for compensation.

It needs to sell, hard, the fact Murphy has been captain for six seasons, that he's a two-time best-and-fairest winner (as well as four-time runner-up), and an All Australian. It needs to ensure that a prospective new club heavily front-loads his new contract.

In other words, they should hope like hell they get Band 1 compensation. But they probably won't. Your article would be a whole lot more sensible if you didn't completely omit a fundamental aspect of the free agency compensation structure.

On the upside, you managed to file something without referring to yourself throughout as "we" or using your weak as shit catchphrase "very, very nicely", which would cause a Grade 6 kid to lose marks on their creative writing homework but you seem to think is acceptable for a grown man who writes for a living.

 

[THE_GUN]

Im thinking band 1 compo picks will require a lot bigger contract than just the 700k range and will probably be pushed up to around 900k+ range with the cap increase and bigger dollars that will be offered to free agents.

Cant see any club prepared to offer Murphy more than 450k-500k range

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Im thinking band 1 compo picks will require a lot bigger contract than just the 700k range and will probably be pushed up to around 900k+ range with the cap increase and bigger dollars that will be offered to free agents.

Not in Barrett's universe.

Bands? What are you talking about? FA compensation is "random". Because Franklin and Motlop and Mayne.

 

[gillo94]

Not in Barrett's universe.

Bands? What are you talking about? FA compensation is "random". Because Franklin and Motlop and Mayne.

Sure some clubs keen to offer Murphy nice deal. Only real concern of was to put outside thinking cap on is injuries and age and what role would serve.

If Eagles lose Gaff could be nice replacement if fit and healthy, but right now Blues are crying out for experience so rather him stay.

 

[SickQwon]

have a feeling Carlton’s compensation for Murphy will be a disguised PP like Melbourne with Frawley.

 

[Dez!]

have a feeling Carlton’s compensation for Murphy will be a disguised PP like Melbourne with Frawley.

You aren't getting great compensation for a 31 year old especially one with foot issues.

 

[SickQwon]

You aren't getting great compensation for a 31 year old especially one with foot issues.

Come on, he’s the captain.

 

[THE_GUN]

have a feeling Carlton’s compensation for Murphy will be a disguised PP like Melbourne with Frawley.

How old was Jarrad Waite when he left Carlton on a 3 year deal at North for around $400k ? Prior to the salary Cap increase

What was the compo pick ?

 

[SickQwon]

How old was Jarrad Waite when he left Carlton on a 3 year deal at North for around $400k ? Prior to the salary Cap increase

What was the compo pick ?

Oh man, Carlton got absolutely teamed by the AFL on that one.
You might be right, we’re not exactly the AFL’s favourites.
Brb getting those barrels ready.

 

[THE_GUN]

Oh man, Carlton got absolutely teamed by the AFL on that one.
You might be right, we’re not exactly the AFL’s favourites.
Brb getting those barrels ready.

Dont think it has anything to do with Favourites , Murphy will be 31 years old and wont get more than $500k from any rival clubs if he is going to a top 8 team.

$500k today is like $400k was 2 years ago and wouldnt qualify for any compo maybe if the AFL were generous Band 3 at best and that would be a good result
Carlton have nothing to gain by letting him go and need him more than he needs Carlton.

Convince him to stay another 2-3 years and retire a 1 club player

 

[SickQwon]

Dont think it has anything to do with Favourites , Murphy will be 31 years old and wont get more than $500k from any rival clubs if he is going to a top 8 team.

$500k today is like $400k was 2 years ago and wouldnt qualify for any compo maybe if the AFL were generous Band 3 at best and that would be a good result
Carlton have nothing to gain by letting him go and need him more than he needs Carlton.

Convince him to stay another 2-3 years and retire a 1 club player

Well that’s my preferred option, his leadership and experience is important to a young group and cannot be easily replaced. And considering SOS’ history, I doubt he’d push him out without being adequately compensated.

I hope he stays, and more likely, he is worth more to us than what we’d be compensated for.

 

[mario bortallotto]

agree .. he won our bf 7-8 months ago . with gibbs doc kruez playing well all year... give the dude a break 75-80 kg ball player expected to be a mid pig because were been strugglers with no mid depth