News "Masten 'belted' in wild night"

[tesseract]

To be honest, I was using the expression 'jack-the-lad' not in regards to Jack Darling, but rather to Masten.

I agree that you cannot expect young men to live like monks. (aside: I've always thought this a weird expression given the history of monks in the making of [great] booze).

I do think the number of incidents is relevant. If the AFL is going to suspend people for damaging their brand (aka bringing the game into disrepute) for getting in the news for the wrong reasons, then that matters.

West Coast aren't only in the business of winning football games. They're, err, in business. It would be dire for the club (sponsorship and AFL-wise) if another player took the express train to a town called 'Off-field-Cuzzy-06'.

Pardon. I thought the term Jack-the-lad was referring to JD's his high school sexcapade.

If the AFL took the tack of taking action against Masten for damaging their brand, without just cause, Masten's lawyers would have the AFL in court pretty fast.
Just cause isn't the number of incidents he's involved in. Wrong doing has to accompany this for there to be any basis to the claim.

You don't have to tell me that WC is a business. One only has to read my opinion on this in other threads, where treating players as a commodity comes up for discussion.

Masten isn't showing signs of heading down the same street as Cousins.
If the club were to side with the sponsors in wanting someone like Masten out, there had better be just justification, otherwise Masten's lawyers would come in hard and have a field day.

 

[tesseract]

You're making another assumption!

Just not one of relevance like slandering someone's person on a public forum.

 

[SwiftforPM]

Just not one of relevance like slandering someone's person on a public forum.

I still will enjoy my right to assume, and express whatever opinion I like on a public forum. I assume the sun will come up in the morning - and guess what? It probably will. I also form opinions from my own personal impression of individuals and by their actions, as reported by the media and members of the public who have no interest and who will gain nothing from reporting negative comments about an individual.
You have mentioned before innocent before proven guilty, yet the courts have the right to refuse bail if they assume the person has committed a crime and is a chance to reoffend in some way if released.
Sometimes it is not only OK to assume it is the right thing to do.

 

[tesseract]

I still will enjoy my right to assume, and express whatever opinion I like on a public forum. I assume the sun will come up in the morning - and guess what? It probably will. I also form opinions from my own personal impression of individuals and by their actions, as reported by the media and members of the public who have no interest and who will gain nothing from reporting negative comments about an individual.
You have mentioned before innocent before proven guilty, yet the courts have the right to refuse bail if they assume the person has committed a crime and is a chance to reoffend in some way if released.
Sometimes it is not only OK to assume it is the right thing to do.

I'm someone who'd argue for your right for an opinion. Assume away, it's your right, as long as it's done legally.

The courts have the legal discretion to make assumptions in their duties, if they're legally entitled to do so. There's reason and logic to their assumptions, unlike the posts from the anti-Masten crowd in this thread. In the courts case, it's out of necessity; but it's a far cry from the assumptions in this case, which don't point to the facts. Some are trying to turn opinion into fact. That's unfair.

 

[Keys]

Some are trying to turn opinion into fact.

My opinion is that Masten's opinion of himself is higher than it deserves to be based on his achievements so far.

And that's a fact

 

[Farang83150]

Lawn mowers just packed it in, Wife says it’s due to all the wet season rain but I know different, it was that bloody MASTEN!!

 

[SwiftforPM]

My opinion is that Masten's opinion of himself is higher than it deserves to be based on his achievements so far.

And that's a fact

Nothing a good belting couldn't fix.
Sorry. Just couldn't help myself.

 

[SwiftforPM]

Lawn mowers just packed it in, Wife says it’s due to all the wet season rain but I know different, it was that bloody MASTEN!!

It's OK he would have just been trying to fix it not break it, don't be so judgemental. I'd watch him with ya missus though.

 

[Al Quaeda]

My opinion is that Masten's opinion of himself is higher than it deserves to be based on his achievements so far.

And that's a fact

Nah, it's an assumption.

What would an old fart like you know about the youth of today?

Plus we have the all knowing, all seeing orb of wisdom in tess here to direct the traffic.

tess, are you remotely related to Gunnar Longshanks per chance?


Oh yeah tess, strong assumption about Masten not starting down the road of Cousins. Very strong assumption indeed.

 

[a1092115]

tesseract - why do you keep talking about the law and the courts? are you like a first year law student or something? If so, I'd study a little harder if I were you. no idea

 

[larrikin]

This one is close to being packed in folks, it's not really adding a whole lot especially considering we have 250+ posts and few facts in any of them

 

[SwiftforPM]

Actually now that I've had more time to think about it, I feel I have had an epiphany (no this is not a new drug).
Any negative thing that Masten has done, is doing right now or will do in the future, can clearly be blamed on John Worsfold!

 

[tesseract]

My opinion is that Masten's opinion of himself is higher than it deserves to be based on his achievements so far.

And that's a fact

I can't comment, without assuming, in regards to Masten's opinion of himself in relation to his on field achievements. I'll handball that to you.

It's unverifiable unless one asks Masten directly and bluntly.

 

[tesseract]

tesseract - why do you keep talking about the law and the courts? are you like a first year law student or something? If so, I'd study a little harder if I were you. no idea

I didn't bring it up, Kall did. I responded from there.

 

[SwiftforPM]

This one is close to being packed in folks, it's not really adding a whole lot especially considering we have 250+ posts and few facts in any of them

It's not wikipedia.

 

[larrikin]

It's not wikipedia.

Nope

It's not the Herald Sun either

 

[tesseract]

This one is close to being packed in folks, it's not really adding a whole lot especially considering we have 250+ posts and few facts in any of them

That's been my point all along. Facts, where are they.

 

[tesseract]

It's not wikipedia.

I disagree. This thread is Wikipedia. It's invent a fact.

 

[SwiftforPM]

I disagree. This thread is Wikipedia. It's invent a fact.

Well tesseract in my opinion the way you have defended Masten shows me that, and I'm willing to assume that, you are in fact a very good human being and have good morals. It's only what I've read though, that is the basis for this OP. I've got nothing else to go on.

I might even visit wikipedia and see what they've got to say.

 

[tesseract]

Well tesseract in my opinion the way you have defended Masten shows me that, and I'm willing to assume that, you are in fact a very good human being and have good morals. It's only what I've read though, that is the basis for this OP. I've got nothing else to go on.

I might even visit wikipedia and see what they've got to say.

I never intended to defend Masten. I only tried to separate the assumptions from what was actually said in the article. Defending Masten was a byproduct of this.

 

[Mickgladwell]

Oh my god, this is still going!

Your all rubbishing a player from the team you barrack for??? Are you all jumping the throat because he was a high draft pick so you blame him for the way your team is travelling?

You're going on about repeat offender, off field (in)discretions etc etc HE WAS ASSAULTED BY AN ASSAILANT WHO WAS THEN EVICTED - Are you really that thick? MASTEN DIDN'T PRESS CHARGES it was HIS choice as he was the victim, same as the Left bank.

The only time he hit someone was at the skyworks, when a group of Carlton supporters got stuck into him aka Judd deal, a mate stuck up for him, the group attacked the mate, he stepped in? Do you get it? Are you that thick?

Would you prefer a Quinten Lynch who watches his mate get smashed on the field and do nothing? Surely you would want a player who sticks up for his team/mates when a drunken group attack them?

If he was Jessica Alba and got r*ped at the Left bank and Hippe club but didn't press charges would you still go the throat, perhaps it was her fault?

Does it compute? HE WAS THE ONE ASSAULTED!!! **** I hope he reads all this shit and jumps to another club, your all forking bonkers?????

I bet you all watched the cousins doco and went oooooohhhhhh wish we could of kept him.... hope he comes back as a WCE coach.... I'm gonna be there when he does his lap of honour..... He was in the very very very thick of crime, drugs, underworld figures etc etc ripped your club apart and is the reason your in this predicament and I don't ever remember seeing this sort of crap!!!

JUMP SHIP CHRIS - THESE GUYS ARE CRAZY!!!!

 

[Al Quaeda]

So he is not an up himself dickwad...just a very naughty boy??

Serious question Mrs. Masten

 

[SwiftforPM]

Oh my god, this is still going!

Your all rubbishing a player from the team you barrack for??? Are you all jumping the throat because he was a high draft pick so you blame him for the way your team is travelling?

You're going on about repeat offender, off field (in)discretions etc etc HE WAS ASSAULTED BY AN ASSAILANT WHO WAS THEN EVICTED - Are you really that thick? MASTEN DIDN'T PRESS CHARGES it was HIS choice as he was the victim, same as the Left bank.

The only time he hit someone was at the skyworks, when a group of Carlton supporters got stuck into him aka Judd deal, a mate stuck up for him, the group attacked the mate, he stepped in? Do you get it? Are you that thick?

Would you prefer a Quinten Lynch who watches his mate get smashed on the field and do nothing? Surely you would want a player who sticks up for his team/mates when a drunken group attack them?

If he was Jessica Alba and got r*ped at the Left bank and Hippe club but didn't press charges would you still go the throat, perhaps it was her fault?

Does it compute? HE WAS THE ONE ASSAULTED!!! **** I hope he reads all this shit and jumps to another club, your all forking bonkers?????

I bet you all watched the cousins doco and went oooooohhhhhh wish we could of kept him.... hope he comes back as a WCE coach.... I'm gonna be there when he does his lap of honour..... He was in the very very very thick of crime, drugs, underworld figures etc etc ripped your club apart and is the reason your in this predicament and I don't ever remember seeing this sort of crap!!!

JUMP SHIP CHRIS - THESE GUYS ARE CRAZY!!!!

You lost me on the second sentence, you fukcen idiots have spent more time abusing players, coaches and sacking coaches than any other team in the AFL.
You want Masten you can have him. Now run along.

 

[Quinz]

I think we're done.

 

[Keys]

I think we're done.

Is that a fact!