McLean

[Sin City]

This smells like bullshit.

Then again, I may just be getting a whiff of what the Blues are cooking.

Spluff, you don't have to believe it and I don't care really but if you like I can explain whatever you need via PM. As I said, the discussion is about McLean.

 

[Sin City]

Also at elite level 10k runners don’t run 1200m because it’s a different event, you need a slightly different base but you still rely on aerobic fitness, explosive speed and an ability to repeat is via anaerobic system.

Exactly the point I was making.

The long and the short of it is you are far more likely to see Craig Motteram running 1200m than you are Asafa Powell. Guess which one our mate Brock is?

Well firstly, Mottram is mainly a 5k runner, with 1500 his second best event and 10k his third so yes, far more likely. Also worth noting that one of Usain Bolt's favourite exercises is 20 x 200m sprint with 200 jog recovery in between each rep. Seems a bit excessive but you can't deny that with trainign like that he could easily push out 1200m, and would have anyone covered for leg speed wouldn't you agree?

 

[Raw1234]

I'm not here for a pissing contest, just came on to discuss McLean and also enjoy talking about running.

Double ouch.

Late in the 15th round and down on points, Sin City decides to piss on the referee (this is known as the Fevola-outside-the-restaurant move).

The referee is not happy.

 

[Sin City]

Double ouch.

Late in the 15th round and down on points, Sin City decides to piss on the referee (this is known as the Fevola-outside-the-restaurant move).

The referee is not happy.

Maybe we should finish this one out in the car park (PM). Apologies for letting this thread go off topic.

 

[Crimson Azure]

I'm not here for a pissing contest, just came on to discuss McLean and also enjoy talking about running.

I think the point that is trying to be made SC is that in no way shape of form is 1200 meters an distance that can be used to say if someone is quick (as in explosiveness or top cursing speed). For instance I could see Brock beating Usain bolt over 1200 meters or 3km but that doesn’t mean he is an elite sprinter. On the other hand he wouldn’t get close to Haile Gebrselassie who is a marathon runner who focuses on running a distance of 42km so should by your theory, not be able to keep up with Brock as the longer distance you run the slower you are (3.2, 5 ect). All it means is that he can maintain a higher speed then Bolt could over a longer distance. That is where endurance comes into play.

If you want to talk about leg speed then nothing over 400 meters should be taken into consideration as anything further would be in the category of a cardio reliant endurance based distance. Even athletes who train specifically for a 400m race can’t maintain their top speed for the entire distance.

Brock may be able to cruise at 20-24kmph running over 1200 meters but his top speed may only peak at 28kmph where as a player with explosive athletic ability may have a top speed around 35kmph that he can accelerate to in a short distance & maintain for a 15-20 second period.

So the measurement of speed for me would be his top cursing speed for a distance of 200-300 meters which unfortunately for Brock is where he falls down, he also struggles to accelerate to that speed also.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[Sin City]

What accreditation do you have as a coach?

Level 2 sprints, which is probably not the same as when you were competing as there are now five levels instead of the three that there used to be.

I was referring to his speed, which has always been an issue, even your Carlton buddies on your own forum agree that. As I've said before, a 1.2km time trial is not a good indication of someone's acceleration (or explosive speed or whatever you wish to label it), why you keep comparing a 1.2km time trial to a 5km run I've got no idea, that's between you and the other voices in your head.

As I have said but you do not seem to understand, you need some leg speed to be able to beat guys like Judd and Walker over a trial as short as 1200m. It relies on more leg speed and less fitness than the other time trials McLean has been winning over 3.2k and 5k. The reason I brought these into the conversation was because I was asked about Brock's speed and was pointing out that if anything, he seems to have lost speed in the games he's played, despite still being able to burn guys like Judd and Walker off over such short distances as 1200m, and I wasn't just referring to his speed off the mark. Given that it was me telling the story, I would know what I referring to.

Next time you post on another team's forum try to be more civil and refrain from calling people 'son'. You'll probably find a more receptive response.

There is nothing wrong or uncalled for with anything I have posted on this board at all.

 

[Sin City]

I think the point that is trying to be made SC is that in no way shape of form is 1200 meters an distance that can be used to say if someone is quick (as in explosiveness or top cursing speed). For instance I could see Brock beating Usain bolt over 1200 meters or 3km but that doesn’t mean he is an elite sprinter.

I never said anything about explosiveness, but it does require some sort of leg speed to hold off guys like Judd and Walker over 1200 meters. There is going to be a strong finish for the last 300 meters and not enough time before that to build up a decent lead before it.

Refer to the post I made above about Bolt's training, he would flog Brock over 1200. One of his favourite drills involves 4k of long sprints.

On the other hand he wouldn’t get close to Haile Gebrselassie who is a marathon runner who focuses on running a distance of 42km so should by your theory, not be able to keep up with Brock as the longer distance you run the slower you are (3.2, 5 ect). All it means is that he can maintain a higher speed then Bolt could over a longer distance. That is where endurance comes into play.

Gebrselassie actually ran the last 200m of his 10k in the Sydney Olympics in 24.3 secs, before that display of leg speed he was neck and neck the whole way with the fitter Paul tergat.

If you want to talk about leg speed then nothing over 400 meters should be taken into consideration as anything further would be in the category of a cardio reliant endurance based distance. Even athletes who train specifically for a 400m race can’t maintain their top speed for the entire distance.

Completely incorrect. Ask anyone that runs a long distance (10,20k) how they'd go in an 800 or 1500 and they'll tell you they don't have the speed to run it.

The 400 meter runners who can't maintain their speed still do their last 100 meters quicker than any distance runner could do their PB in.

 

[Barnzy]

LOL.

McLean for pick 11, ouch.

Your feral supporters have a thread up abusing him everyday Sin City. Who cares if he can run all day, he's still a dud. I would be spewing if we gave up a first-round draft pick for him but under our new coaching staff it seems dumb trades for mature hacks are a thing of the past.

Well done Melbourne, you definitely spanked Carlton in this trade.

 

[The Professor]

Brock may be able to cruise at 20-24kmph running over 1200 meters but his top speed may only peak at 28kmph where as a player with explosive athletic ability may have a top speed around 35kmph that he can accelerate to in a short distance & maintain for a 15-20 second period.

no offence SC but i'm not really sure what u r arguing anymore? but Crimson's right.

Brock may maintain a good speed over a distance but AFL isn't a game where we race 1.2km to get a ball.

AFL is a stop start game which gives sprinters like Judd time to recover. Also players coming on and off the bench helps the likes of Judd and Deledio run flat out more often and late in games. He may outrun them individually over time but rotations will ensure Brock won't win a footrace in a match at any time.

Brock has stamina. Not speed.

 

[Sin City]

LOL.

McLean for pick 11, ouch.

Your feral supporters have a thread up abusing him everyday Sin City. Who cares if he can run all day, he's still a dud. I would be spewing if we gave up a first-round draft pick for him but under our new coaching staff it seems dumb trades for mature hacks are a thing of the past.

Celtic Pride started one thread, he's hardly a Rhodes Scholar. It's nothing compared to the way the Richmond supporters turn on their players. Even if dumb trades are a thing of the past at Richmond, they will pay for the poor decisions they've made for about the next ten years, whereas Brock was added to Carlton to complement an already strong midfield.

 

[Sin City]

Brock may maintain a good speed over a distance but AFL isn't a game where we race 1.2km to get a ball.

Never said it was, just pointed out that you still need some sort of leg speed to hold off guys like Judd and Walker over a distance as short as 1200 meters.

 

[Barnzy]

It's nothing compared to the way the Richmond supporters turn on their players.

No it's worse. Your board is the most feral place on BF, even your mods are low standard posters.

whereas Brock was added to Carlton to complement an already strong midfield.

 

[afterburner]

Try and read things properly, keep things in context and listen to people who know better than you.

Mate, everyone is happy to have you here, posting comments on a three year thread, and I for one am happy you are please to have McLean in your side, but drop the derogatory tone and comments or take them back to your own board.

 

[Sin City]

You don't think a midfield of Kreuzer, Warnock, Judd, McLean, Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Carrazzo and Simpson is a strong one?

 

[Sin City]

Mate, everyone is happy to have you here, posting comments on a three year thread, and I for one am happy you are please to have McLean in your side, but drop the derogatory tone and comments or take them back to your own board.

Yep, fair enough, I would not normally post something like that but if you have a look at the comments I was referring to it was deserved.

 

[Barnzy]

You don't think a midfield of Kreuzer, Warnock, Judd, McLean, Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Carrazzo and Simpson is a strong one?

No, it's okay although overrated (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs then drops away significantly). I was just laughing at the fact you think he will compliment them. He probably shouldn't be getting a game and like your own fans were saying in a thread they would rather Richard Hadley over him.

 

[Sin City]

No, it's okay although overrated (Judd, Murphy, Gibbs then drops away significantly). I was just laughing at the fact you think he will compliment them. He probably shouldn't be getting a game and like your own fans were saying in a thread they would rather Richard Hadley over him.

The way that he will complement is that he will do the in and under work that Judd has been forced to do since coming to the club. He'll free Judd up and also block for him meaning Judd, Gibbs and Murphy can play more creative, outside roles. Brock doesn't need to star, a lot of his best work will not really be seen, he just needs to help the team do better. Grigg will be in the team before Hadley.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

Let's just wait and see if he can get a kick, or help others to do so this week.

 

[saj_21]

The way that he will complement is that he will do the in and under work that Judd has been forced to do since coming to the club. He'll free Judd up and also block for him meaning Judd, Gibbs and Murphy can play more creative, outside roles. Brock doesn't need to star, a lot of his best work will not really be seen, he just needs to help the team do better. Grigg will be in the team before Hadley.

Brock was my fav player, and i hope he does well at Carlton. I wasn't to unhappy once i knew he wanted out and that pick 11 was offered. Honestly i think he will do well at Cartlon, and probably needs to adapt his game a little better, handball more and kick less. Needs to do the grunt work for the three players above and let them get some more space and do some damage with their skills.