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Some of you may think Im silly, but I think there is two options.

Option 1: Build a 40k stadium that can expand to 50k over summer.

OR

Option 2: Build a 50k stadium and when the Storm play there, sell tickets only for the bottom level and if that sells out, put spectators on the 2nd/3rd levels.


This way its a bonafide major Rectangular stadium in Melbourne (which I believe we should have) that can hold just about all Football/Rugby matches.
 
Barts said:
Some of you may think Im silly, but I think there is two options.

Option 1: Build a 40k stadium that can expand to 50k over summer.

OR

Option 2: Build a 50k stadium and when the Storm play there, sell tickets only for the bottom level and if that sells out, put spectators on the 2nd/3rd levels.


This way its a bonafide major Rectangular stadium in Melbourne (which I believe we should have) that can hold just about all Football/Rugby matches.
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Sounds great. Your shout?

I'll get next round.
 

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From statements I've heard on radio from the relevant minister he is sympathetic to RL and AFL Demons requests. He also virtually said that the soccer club was playing the Dome off against the Olympic park and that they lacked sincerity.
 
Hornet said:
NO . . . they're still argueing of it's capacity.

Storm and the stubborn Victorian government want it built at 20,000.

Victory want something closer to 40,000 and won't sign on until a suitable compromise is offered.
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Ok meet half way with the victory,settle it at 30,000.And get the thing going ,or else they'll be playing at that dump again next year.:rolleyes:
 
maroon and blue said:
From statements I've heard on radio from the relevant minister he is sympathetic to RL and AFL Demons requests. He also virtually said that the soccer club was playing the Dome off against the Olympic park and that they lacked sincerity.
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Political games . . . State government threatening to build a white elephant without soccer and Victory are threatening to play out of TD if capacity isn't increased.

Spewing said:
Ok meet half way with the victory,settle it at 30,000.And get the thing going ,or else they'll be playing at that dump again next year.
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IMO 30,000 is the magic number. :thumbsu:
 
Yeah the magic number is 30 K but who will pay for the extra $50M K in construction costs. And when it is built there is no guarantee the soccer devotees won't scarper to the Dome under a cheaper rental agreement.
 
I think the Victory is all bluff.

Firstly because I think the novelty of the A-league will wear off in a year or three and crowd numbers will settle down.

Secondly because watching rectangle sports at an oval stadium sucks, it puts the fans miles away from the game. One of the A-league's main draw cards to potential new fans is the crowd atmosphere, and they'd be really damaging that if they permanently played at an oval stadium.
 
greenhat said:
I think the Victory is all bluff.
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Victory are 1 year into a lucrative 3 year deal with TD yet clearly understand the importance of the new stadium but given a choice, we'd rather play out of a large oval stadium rather than a toy rectangular one with no scope to grow.

Firstly because I think the novelty of the A-league will wear off in a year or three and crowd numbers will settle down.
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This may or may not become the case but it's just plain stupidity to make plans based on a maybe. ATM we are drawing AFL type crowds and it's simply impossible to squeeze over 30,000 people into a 20,000 seater stadium.

Secondly because watching rectangle sports at an oval stadium sucks, it puts the fans miles away from the game. One of the A-league's main draw cards to potential new fans is the crowd atmosphere, and they'd be really damaging that if they permanently played at an oval stadium.
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Sucks to who? The record crowds that Victory attract at TD? Victorians have proved time and time again that we're not all that precious about stadium shape so it's really a non issue down here. Our decisions to attend sporting events don't rely on geometric shapes.

You talk about potential new fans and it brings me back to the proposed new stadium. Where are the new fans going to come from if you can't fit them in? What irritates me most about this stadium issue is the shortsighted Storm management's hasty willingness to accept the current proposal, which portrays a message to the masses that the have little confidence in growing their own product. They should be looking at attracting over 30,000 fans for every home games in ten years time.
 
Hornet said:
Sucks to who? The record crowds that Victory attract at TD? Victorians have proved time and time again that we're not all that precious about stadium shape so it's really a non issue down here. Our decisions to attend sporting events don't rely on geometric shapes.
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ONce you've had a decent rectangle.... there is no other possible option
 
Hornet said:
NO . . . they're still argueing of it's capacity.

Storm and the stubborn Victorian government want it built at 20,000.
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Are they allowed to build a bigger stadium?

I thought that when Docklands (Telstra Dome) was built there was a ban/agreement on new stadiums being built in Melbourne that could hold more than 20,000 people. (done to 'protect' the new stadium)

:confused:
 

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Grantwhy said:
Are they allowed to build a bigger stadium?

I thought that when Docklands (Telstra Dome) was built there was a ban/agreement on new stadiums being built in Melbourne that could hold more than 20,000 people. (done to 'protect' the new stadium)

:confused:
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That agreement runs until 2010.

There's no doubt Melbourne needs a decent rectangular stadium, but if the Victory are not on board (which they have every right to be if its any less than 30k) then its not worth it. The Storm can barely manage 15k in a good season so its no use letting them have the stadium all to themselves.
 
Scorpio said:
That agreement runs until 2010.

There's no doubt Melbourne needs a decent rectangular stadium, but if the Victory are not on board (which they have every right to be if its any less than 30k) then its not worth it. The Storm can barely manage 15k in a good season so its no use letting them have the stadium all to themselves.
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With the lucrative Asian Champions League awaiting, there's definitely a feeling that MV could become a monster of a club after winning the championship last night in front of the second largest crowd ever at the dome behind the Wallabies. They have attracted over 400,000 spectators to 13 games this season and next year they're targeting 20,000 members which in itself makes a mockery of the current stadium proposal.
 
30,000 goal for stadium
February 20, 2007

MELBOURNE'S proposed rectangular stadium could yet be increased to 30,000 seats, but soccer officials concede that figure is the maximum Melbourne Victory fans can hope for at their new home ground.

Sunday night's crowd of 55,436 at Telstra Dome for the A-League grand final highlighted the concerns of soccer officials, who fear the Victory's growing popularity could be stymied under the original plans for a new stadium capable of housing 20,000 to 25,000 spectators.

After pressure from the Victory and soccer officials, the State Government has investigated ways to increase the capacity to 27,500. The Football Federation of Australia asked the Government to consider a 30,000 capacity and the Government has agreed to investigate.

Premier Steve Bracks said yesterday that a resolution on the stadium size was close. :thumbsu:

Football Federation Australia head of operations Matt Carroll said it would not waste its time lobbying for anything larger than a 30,000-seat stadium because "it's just not going to happen".

PETER KER
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Finally some common sense...
 
At least it is a positive sign.

The government might have heard the various rumours that the Victory have already signed a long term contract with the TD, they know that without the Victory this stadium will be a white elephant.

I would love to attend Victory matches at a 30k seater rectangular stadium, imagine the atmosphere, by the time the stadium is built (if it is) their core supporter numbers should be around 25-28k, imagine selling out even a 30k stadium each week!
Time will show us the true drawing power of the Victory, a few years down the track and we may be saying 30k is too small, or too big?

I hope the headlines in the not too distant future read:

'Stadium Victory for Melbourne'
'Victorious Stadium'

or :mad:
'Bubble bursts for new Stadium plans'
 
Victory nets stadium goal
Ellen Whinnett, state politics reporter

February 28, 2007 12:00am
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A RECTANGULAR stadium capable of catering for up to 34,000 will be the Government's final offer in the 18-month row over the city's newest sports arena.

A Cabinet sub-committee will this week receive a proposal for the Government to pay for the new stadium, at a cost of more than $200 million.
It is believed the plan would include seating for 31,000 people.

Standing room for up to another 3000 people would be considered after the stadium was built.

Major Projects Minister Theo Theophanous refused to confirm any specifics of the design.

But Mr Theophanous said the Government had agreed to consider a larger stadium after a request from Football Federation Australia.

The Government agreed 18 months ago to build a 20,000-seat stadium at Olympic Park to host Melbourne Storm rugby league team, Melbourne Victory soccer team and the Melbourne AFL team.

But Victory's success this year drew big crowds, and the club had refused to sign up to the new stadium, pushing for a much larger venue with a capacity somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000.

The Government was frustrated with Victory, saying the club had reneged on its original agreement. Storm and the Demons were also angered by delays to the building of their new home ground, planned for Edwin Flack Field, in the sports area near the MCG.

There was also concern the Government's new stadium could not match the cut-price deal being offered to Victory by cross-town rival Telstra Dome, which hosted several Victory games, including the grand final that drew more than 55,000 two weeks ago.

The deal is thought to have included a sweetener in which Telstra Dome would not bill Victory for 9000 people who attended each game, meaning the club could significantly improve its financial returns on the cost of the tickets it sells to those people.

But it now appears likely a compromise will be reached and Victory will sign for the stadium, which is already behind schedule.

The Government is thought to be reluctant to include standing areas, for security and safety reasons.

But it's believed it may agree to include them after consulting the clubs and police.

"The Government is looking at all options and is in very close negotiations with Melbourne Victory and Football Federation of Australia about the size of the new stadium," Mr Theophanous said.

"We are looking at an increase in size of the stadium at the request of the FFA. The FFA has asked us to look at a large size and we've done a lot of detailed analysis of that."

Mr Theophanous would not reveal what offers the Government had made to the Victory.

Asked if the Government could match the Telstra Dome offers, the minister said: "We will not provide the stadium at a completely non-commercial basis."

The potential compromise deal appeared to mean the Government would abandon its threat to push for a second A-League team for Melbourne if Victory refused to sign up.

30,000 + 4,000 standing room is the final decision

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21299206-2862,00.html
 

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A big victory (pardon the pun) by football and the FFA to have it increased from 20k to 34,000 with scope to move the big games to the Dome.

Now lets start building the damn thing.
 
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Victory for a bigger stadium

Chris Tinkler, State politics reporter
March 04, 2007 12:00am
Sunday Herald Sun

A NEW-look sports stadium for Melbourne will be announced today.

The redesigned stadium -- to seat 31,500 fans if Melbourne Victory come on board or 27,750 without the soccer club -- will be unveiled by Premier Steve Bracks.
The announcement will end more than 18 months' speculation over the stadium.

The Government will today announce its preferred bidder for the Olympic Park project.

Detailed talks will then begin immediately over construction, with the deal expected to be finalised within a few weeks.

Melbourne Victory has so far refused to sign up to the new ground because it wants a 40,000-plus venue.

"If Victory is not with us then it will be frozen out for good," a government source warned yesterday.

The 27,750-seater option will cost $256 million, with most money coming from the government.

The 31,500-capacity option, including Victory as one of the tenants, is understood to cost a few million dollars more.

The new stadium, due to be finished in 2009, will not differ significantly from the original 20,000-capacity design.

But it is likely the stands will be extended towards the pitch sidelines and additional seats will be fitted behind each goal.

The announcement will place immense pressure on Victory.

Telstra Dome, which has hosted several Victory games this year, has offered the champions a cut-price deal to stay there for 10 years.

But that could leave Victory playing most games in a half-full stadium not designed for soccer.

And the expected arrival of a second Melbourne team in the A-League in 2010, playing in the new purpose-built rectangular stadium, could signal a mass exodus of Victory fans.

The Government has said it is happy for Victory to switch to the MCG or Telstra Dome for blockbuster matches, such as games against Sydney FC, if it chooses Olympic Park as its main base.

Government sources said the stadium could also host a Melbourne rugby union team if the Super 14 expands again.

"This is the best possible stadium for fans of soccer, rugby league and rugby union," a government source said yesterday.

"We have made it clear that we will go ahead with or without the Victory."
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thebigboy said:
34,000 is a good deal for all parties. Pleases me as a victory supporter and someone who goes to storm games (not a storm supporter, lets get this clear:D:D)
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I agree. 34,000 is a good deal for both but I wouldn't be surprised if the government bow to pressure from the Victory and build there 40,000 seat stadium.

Alos, just out of curiosity why do you support Essendon, Melbourne Victory FC and you don;t support the Storm?
 

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