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Doughty had an excellent 2006. This year though, Knights cemented his place in the 22 and played that attacking role in the midfield/half forward. We tried to use Doughty more as a defensive midfielder but it didn't work. His skills are not too bad, his delivery into the 50 is better than Thompson who blazes away with high, wide, floating kicks which don't give the forwards a chance. I don't really see a spot in our 22 for Michael next year unless either injures occur or he can rediscover his '06 form.
 
jackster83 said:
Doughty had an excellent 2006. This year though, Knights cemented his place in the 22 and played that attacking role in the midfield/half forward. We tried to use Doughty more as a defensive midfielder but it didn't work. His skills are not too bad, his delivery into the 50 is better than Thompson who blazes away with high, wide, floating kicks which don't give the forwards a chance. I don't really see a spot in our 22 for Michael next year unless either injures occur or he can rediscover his '06 form.
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Doughty has been used as a defensive midfielder in the last 3 years. He has had a bad year this season as have many others but he is far from bad as people make him out to be. His 2006 was a VERY VERY good year.
 
jackster83 said:
Doughty had an excellent 2006. This year though, Knights cemented his place in the 22 and played that attacking role in the midfield/half forward. We tried to use Doughty more as a defensive midfielder but it didn't work. His skills are not too bad, his delivery into the 50 is better than Thompson who blazes away with high, wide, floating kicks which don't give the forwards a chance. I don't really see a spot in our 22 for Michael next year unless either injures occur or he can rediscover his '06 form.
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Sorry jackster, but Knights came in at the expense of Mattner and Burton on the wings. Craig removed the wingmen so that he could play an extended midfield and give greater game time to our less experienced players. Doughty in 2006 was the back up for Shirley and he continued that role for 2007. Even games in 2005 he was starting to play that role. Plus Craig can use him in the backlines if needed, so there is that versatility that Craig likes.
 
Judging by the players delisted last week, the only way he will win a new contract at the end of next season is to win a Brownlow medal (or club champion award)

He needs to have a very good pre season to find a place in the midfield (yes he is a run with player now) but he has a few other player breathing down his neck and IMO unless he as a good pre season will struggle to find a place in the side.

Back up player now = good season at South Adelaide.
 

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Stiffy_18 said:
Doughty has been used as a defensive midfielder in the last 3 years. He has had a bad year this season as have many others but he is far from bad as people make him out to be. His 2006 was a VERY VERY good year.
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Spot on. :thumbsu: Doesn't deserve the massive bagging he's getting around here. Has done well with what talent he's been given. However, I'm sure he'll be gone end of 2008, and I'm certain there was no takers at the trade table end of 2007.
 
Doughty is a very average defender and no better than average as a defensive midfielder.

For mine Massie is a far better player in both roles, and if Massie is needed down back, then I'd back Campbell in to do a far better job than Doughty in the midfield role.

Torney should have been given 1 year, releasing Massie to Doughty's role (if required given whatever match-ups for the week), and Doughty should have been delisted.

That isn't reality so it's up to Doughty to have a year as good as Torney had in 07. Top 10 in the B&F...no less is required of him this year to prove his worth. Club has shown a lot of faith in him. One decent season over a long career didn't really earn that faith, so now he must repay it.
 
TheLeftFist8 said:
Doughty is a very average defender and no better than average as a defensive midfielder.

For mine Massie is a far better player in both roles, and if Massie is needed down back, then I'd back Campbell in to do a far better job than Doughty in the midfield role.

Torney should have been given 1 year, releasing Massie to Doughty's role (if required given whatever match-ups for the week), and Doughty should have been delisted.

That isn't reality so it's up to Doughty to have a year as good as Torney had in 07. Top 10 in the B&F...no less is required of him this year to prove his worth. Club has shown a lot of faith in him. One decent season over a long career didn't really earn that faith, so now he must repay it.
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I think Campbell was used in the Essendon game as a run-with player and look what happened. The coach actually sent the runner out to talk with him a couple of times that game as he wasn't doing his job, that is very rare for Craig to do. Then he got dropped the following week and Shirley was straight back in the side. Doughty had more game time in the Essendon game as he was doing a much better job.
 
NikkiNoo said:
I think Campbell was used in the Essendon game as a run-with player and look what happened. The coach actually sent the runner out to talk with him a couple of times that game as he wasn't doing his job, that is very rare for Craig to do. Then he got dropped the following week and Shirley was straight back in the side. Doughty had more game time in the Essendon game as he was doing a much better job.
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i don't think we can build too strong an argument on less than a half of footy in one's debut game. i stand by my statement on the basis of campbell's attributes, surely he needs to be given more game time to see if those attributes can be put to better use. i bet i could find plenty of halves of footy where doughty was much worse.

having said that, i would replace doughty's role with massie, with campbell pushing for a small forward/midfield rotation role (though currently not in best 22).
 
If i had to choose between the known qualities of Doughty and the potential of Campbell, I would most definitely go for Campbell
 

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TheLeftFist8 said:
i don't think we can build too strong an argument on less than a half of footy in one's debut game. i stand by my statement on the basis of campbell's attributes, surely he needs to be given more game time to see if those attributes can be put to better use. i bet i could find plenty of halves of footy where doughty was much worse.

having said that, i would replace doughty's role with massie, with campbell pushing for a small forward/midfield rotation role (though currently not in best 22).
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Massie is our Torney replacement / depth player. I can't see him being taken away from defence to be put into the middle. JR did speak about Symes rotating through defence and the middle, but has been mentioned by the port supporters his defensive action is not his strong point.

He was given a bit of game time and obviously didn't do what the coach wanted him to do, hence sent back straight away when normally our newbies get 2 games to work through issues. That raised a red flag with me that there was worries from the coaching staff.
 
BunjiMac said:
I think I saw campbell just once in that entire game against essendon, and to me he looked pretty composed.
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Also hesitated on the outer wing at one stage and got into trouble when he should have been kicking it into the forward line.
 
NikkiNoo said:
Also hesitated on the outer wing at one stage and got into trouble when he should have been kicking it into the forward line.
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How many times have you actually seen Bryce play. It was his first game and played less than a half. If I remember rightly he had about 8 or 9 touches in that limited time.

We should be excited about this kid. One of the best Tacklers in the SANFL and will be a great replacement for Bodey as he has similiar attributes with his left leg, great tackling and defensive pressure and one of the best finishes in the business.

Make no mistake about it, if he wasnt injured for the the 1st half of the season you would have seen plenty of him in the Crows colours.
 
crows dude said:
How many times have you actually seen Bryce play. It was his first game and played less than a half. If I remember rightly he had about 8 or 9 touches in that limited time.

We should be excited about this kid. One of the best Tacklers in the SANFL and will be a great replacement for Bodey as he has similiar attributes with his left leg, great tackling and defensive pressure and one of the best finishes in the business.

Make no mistake about it, if he wasnt injured for the the 1st half of the season you would have seen plenty of him in the Crows colours.
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I'm commenting on what he did in THAT game. AFL level is vastly different to sanfl. Just because he plays one role in the sanfl does not mean that it will transfer to the AFL. Look at Ciccollea and Vince, they carve up at sanfl level but have struggled at AFL level. Vince partly because he plays a different role.

I was paying close attention to Bryce in this game as he had been talked up on here. I noticed the runner go to him, which is rare for the coaches to do at the afc, I noticed that he was talked to by the coaches and then he got dropped for the next game. Craig has said before that 2 games is what the newbies normally get and for it not to occur to a mature age draftee that sent some alarm bells ringing.
 
NikkiNoo said:
Also hesitated on the outer wing at one stage and got into trouble when he should have been kicking it into the forward line.
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It was only his first game though... Doughty does that about 8 times a game and he's played about 100 too many games. He is a mediocre player who belongs at Richmond (both of them). He is not the type to help us to a flag.
 

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TheLeftFist8 said:
Doughty is a very average defender and no better than average as a defensive midfielder.

For mine Massie is a far better player in both roles, and if Massie is needed down back, then I'd back Campbell in to do a far better job than Doughty in the midfield role.

Torney should have been given 1 year, releasing Massie to Doughty's role (if required given whatever match-ups for the week), and Doughty should have been delisted.

That isn't reality so it's up to Doughty to have a year as good as Torney had in 07. Top 10 in the B&F...no less is required of him this year to prove his worth. Club has shown a lot of faith in him. One decent season over a long career didn't really earn that faith, so now he must repay it.
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Agreed. I reckon Massie is a much better otion than Doughty in the midfield. We should give him a run there. He was carving it up in the SANFL every week in the midfield in the SANFL. He's a better kick and has better decision making.

IMO Doughty is our defensive version of Rowan Jones. Not quick, up and under kick and handballs to players whent hey are under pressure. He gets the ball ok though. He'll be a depth player. If Torney went this year, 2008 should be Doughty's last year.
 
NikkiNoo said:
Also hesitated on the outer wing at one stage and got into trouble when he should have been kicking it into the forward line.
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What were the forwards doing at this stage? Easy to blame the ball carrier but if he has no options what can he do? An example is Pettigrew in the grand final where he bounced three times looked up for an option on each occassion saw nothing and was eventually tacked from behind. Not his fault if there are no options. A blind long kick to the forward line is not a good option.

Would not be judging Campbell on one game. He did a couple of good things in that game also.
 
Jars458 said:
What were the forwards doing at this stage? Easy to blame the ball carrier but if he has no options what can he do? An example is Pettigrew in the grand final where he bounced three times looked up for an option on each occassion saw nothing and was eventually tacked from behind. Not his fault if there are no options. A blind long kick to the forward line is not a good option.

Would not be judging Campbell on one game. He did a couple of good things in that game also.
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Look jars I agree with you, but when others say that Doughty always hesitates it may be because of the same reason you quoted above. People that have a go at Doughty are often the same people having a go at Shirley and never seem to see these players on the bottom of packs or putting the hand in for little deflections of the ball our way. They are on our list and I am sure that they will play the majority of next season barring injury.

I am one of the few people that actually looks up the field when watching the game. A bit hard to see on tele I agree, but I was trying to get others to see that there were negatives as well as a couple of ok things Campbell did. And that what they were accusing one player of, their 'solution' to their perceived problem was also doing the same sorts of things. This was not an 18 year old kid we are talking about but a mature aged experienced sanfl player.

But what really got me was the runner going to speak to him as well as the coaches having a good chat with him and then he gets dropped for the next week. That tells me something really was up with his game and they were not happy with it.
 
I have a lot of respect for Doughty, but its a similar kind of respect that I have for blokes like Perrie and Shirley, although I think he is more in the Perrie boat. In this I mean that they have got to the highest level but just ran out of talent.

They were blessed with only a certain amount of talent by god and I have total respect for them as they have made the absolute most of it, all through having a great work ethic, keeping their bodies in the best possible shape, barring injury and always giving their very best.

Unfortunately, they just lacked the ability to take the next step and becoming stars of the AFL. Perrie can now retire, look back and say I got the best out of my footy career that I possibly could.

Doughty is similar, he was a relatively late draft pick and has been a consistent performer over the past few years. Unfortunately he has to be at his very best to hold his place in an AFL 22, he did this in 2006, created himself an x-factor in his hardness at the footy. Unfortunately he could not find this again this year and so his lack of ground breaking pace, silky skills or ball finding ability have hurt him.

He will not get any better and he is not a star player, so at the moment all I see him doing is holding another younger player back. He is a valuble depth player and may come in handy this year, but I would seriously doubt he will get another.

Congrats to Doughty on getting as many games as he has, I just don't see him getting many games at all this year.
 
James_37 said:
I have a lot of respect for Doughty, but its a similar kind of respect that I have for blokes like Perrie and Shirley, although I think he is more in the Perrie boat. In this I mean that they have got to the highest level but just ran out of talent.

They were blessed with only a certain amount of talent by god and I have total respect for them as they have made the absolute most of it, all through having a great work ethic, keeping their bodies in the best possible shape, barring injury and always giving their very best.

Unfortunately, they just lacked the ability to take the next step and becoming stars of the AFL. Perrie can now retire, look back and say I got the best out of my footy career that I possibly could.

Doughty is similar, he was a relatively late draft pick and has been a consistent performer over the past few years. Unfortunately he has to be at his very best to hold his place in an AFL 22, he did this in 2006, created himself an x-factor in his hardness at the footy. Unfortunately he could not find this again this year and so his lack of ground breaking pace, silky skills or ball finding ability have hurt him.

He will not get any better and he is not a star player, so at the moment all I see him doing is holding another younger player back. He is a valuble depth player and may come in handy this year, but I would seriously doubt he will get another.

Congrats to Doughty on getting as many games as he has, I just don't see him getting many games at all this year.
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Great post couldn't agree more.....
 

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