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How tough boith physically and mentally is this guy?

Rucked virtually all game and was still there in the last to help us over the line, despite the obvious fatigue.

Was rucking against two blokes constantly, took everything Collingwood could throw at him and still came out on top.
 
Originally posted by Thrawn666
How tough boith physically and mentally is this guy?

Rucked virtually all game and was still there in the last to help us over the line, despite the obvious fatigue.

Was rucking against two blokes constantly, took everything Collingwood could throw at him and still came out on top.
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Yeah! For sure!! Gee he did well! He kicked in when it was needed. he old Gardi would have cracked the ****s or gone quiet but this new gardi jumped up and was counted. He has come along way. Was Mr Potential but is now Mr Delivers!!
 
Gardiner is very physically fit, you can see he is tiring all the time, but he just battles on like the battle horse he is. we do need dean cox to step up a level of class to support him and allow him more rests from the ruck, and once that is sorted out, gardiner well be even more potent and will be half-way there marching towards victory in any given match!
 
Originally posted by RzrBlade
we do need dean cox to step up a level of class to support him and allow him more rests from the ruck, and once that is sorted out, gardiner well be even more potent well be half-way there marching towards victory in any given match!
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I agree

As much as I like Cox he hasnt been in form as of late. If he doesnt come through next week against Richmond I daresay he'd be in the running for a WAFL stint. Could be a chance to give one of our young talls the chance to have a go at rucking at AFL level while Cox seeks out some form/fitness/confidence.
 

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Originally posted by Thrawn666
I agree

As much as I like Cox he hasnt been in form as of late. If he doesnt come through next week against Richmond I daresay he'd be in the running for a WAFL stint. Could be a chance to give one of our young talls the chance to have a go at rucking at AFL level while Cox seeks out some form/fitness/confidence.
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that makes a thought spring to my mind, how is mcdougall going? wasn't he drafted as a ruckman? or just a tall chf

anyway, he is a tall player, and how far would he be off from making a appearance in the one's
 
Originally posted by RzrBlade
that makes a thought spring to my mind, how is mcdougall going? wasn't he drafted as a ruckman? or just a tall chf

anyway, he is a tall player, and how far would he be off from making a appearance in the one's
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In my mind he's not a ruckman, or even back up ruckman at AFL level, more a key forward. Could do rucking duties at throw ins forward of 50 but not around the grounds I wouldnt imagine.

Would like to see him, or at least someone, ANYONE to get a game at FF ahead of Haynes who is providing nothing to the team
 
Gardiner has been magnificent, but as the season wears on needs some good support, something Cox isnt providing.

Watching todays game, im scared that not having a tall forward who can bring the ball to ground is going to come back to haunt us....
 
Originally posted by Thrawn666
In my mind he's not a ruckman, or even back up ruckman at AFL level, more a key forward. Could do rucking duties at throw ins forward of 50 but not around the grounds I wouldnt imagine.

Would like to see him, or at least someone, ANYONE to get a game at FF ahead of Haynes who is providing nothing to the team
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haynes providing nothing? thats a bit harsh imo. i think he has been quite promising for us there this year.
 
Originally posted by iceman

Watching todays game, im scared that not having a tall forward who can bring the ball to ground is going to come back to haunt us....
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It very nearly did

In the second we still had a few thrusts forward but the delivery was all contested marking and we had no-one to provide a contest. Matera shouldnt be the No 1 option overhead. Haynes provided diddly squat once again, and with jako out not having a true tall up forward nearly came back to bite us in the bum.
 
Originally posted by RzrBlade
haynes providing nothing? thats a bit harsh imo. i think he has been quite promising for us there this year.
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I stand by my remarks

Stuff-all goals, stuff all marks, poor leads (if any) and minimal resistance for his opponent on the rebound

We're absolutely screaming out for someone to play the position other than him
 
Originally posted by Thrawn666
I stand by my remarks

Stuff-all goals, stuff all marks, poor leads (if any) and minimal resistance for his opponent on the rebound

We're absolutely screaming out for someone to play the position other than him
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well i still think he is a handy player for us done the forward line, but we could get another player to compliment him in the position from the wafl league, Q.Lynch anyone?
 
Originally posted by RzrBlade
well i still think he is a handy player for us done the forward line, but we could get another player to compliment him in the position from the wafl league, Q.Lynch anyone?
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Oh I think he has potential for us up forward, but not at eithr CHF or FF. In my mind he is of a similar ilk to Embley when he first started at the club, though perhaps doesnt have the same potential. Needs to work on his fitness a bit though I feel and doesnt have the same pace for his size that Embley has.

Either way though if youre referring to a two-pronged FF type attack I wouldnt favor it. That sort of forward set-up only leads to confusion, and would throw a lot o things out of whack for us.
 
Originally posted by Thrawn666
Oh I think he has potential for us up forward, but not at eithr CHF or FF. In my mind he is of a similar ilk to Embley when he first started at the club, though perhaps doesnt have the same potential. Needs to work on his fitness a bit though I feel and doesnt have the same pace for his size that Embley has.

Either way though if youre referring to a two-pronged FF type attack I wouldnt favor it. That sort of forward set-up only leads to confusion, and would throw a lot o things out of whack for us.
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nah not a two=pronged attack, rotation at ff between the two, or wilson if he gets back in the side. i just dont think haynes should be thrown completely out of that position as he has shown promise.
 

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Originally posted by RzrBlade
i just dont think haynes should be thrown completely out of that position as he has shown promise.
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What has he done at all at full forward that shows promise?

Ive seen nothing
 
Originally posted by RzrBlade
v adelaide his three goals were quite good in an otherwise pretty medicore perfromance by the team
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And when did he get them? along with the majority of his possesions

In the arse-end of the game when the heat had gone out of it

Only got two goals too
 
While Haynes hasnt been a stand out he has done his job for the team - provided contests and even gone back once or twice to help out. The main point is that Woosh has kept him in the team which means he must be doing something right. If he wasnt doing what the coach wanted he would be out on his ear.

Having said that I dont think he's a FF - it would be easier for him as the second target with Willo or Lunchy at FFWD. Today we definitely could have used another marking target in the forward 50. Embers stood up and did a brilliant job but IMO we need another key fwd.

Great win mighty EAGLES!
 
Originally posted by Thrawn666
And when did he get them? along with the majority of his possesions

In the arse-end of the game when the heat had gone out of it

Only got two goals too
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well then i guess ill have to say what i said in the other thread, well have to agree to disagree that haynes is worth nothing to us.
 
Originally posted by RzrBlade
well then i guess ill have to say what i said in the other thread, well have to agree to disagree that haynes is worth nothing to us.
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At full forward ;)
 

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Lynch is a CHB in the longer term, not a CHF or a FF, which is not to say he couldn't do a job up forward this year for us.

McDougall to me is a CHF or FF or nothing and I've seen him ruck for Perth two or three times now.

Haynes is not a FF, but his second efforts are too weak to play HFF, and it's no coincidence we're winning games this year that we would have lost last year because Haynes is not at HFF - instead we've got a revitalised Embley, a Chick, a Jones or a Sampi locking the ball in the 50.

Wilson's second efforts have been poor, so he's lost his chance to play and Woosha's giving Haynes a go - and good luck to him. His leading has been good. No coincidence that he found it harder today without a Jako or a Gaspar at CHF to take the pressure off.

Long run - Gaspar at CHF and McDougall at FF, if he's up to it.

Short run - go with the current plan - but Cox has to lift his game.
 
If our attack with Haynes is #1 in the AFL

imagine how good our attack will be with an in-form Wilson.

WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSONNNNNNNN KICKS HIS SIXTH GOAL ON THE RUN, AFTER WEEKS IN THE WAFL HE MAKES HIS RETURN IN EMPHATIC FASHION...and its still the first quarter.
 
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
Long run - Gaspar at CHF and McDougall at FF, if he's up to it.
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I dunno, to me Gaspar doesn't seem to have a killer instinct when going for goal. Sure he takes the marks and all the like but he aint a big kick and seems to dish off than rather go for goal. I'd play him at CHB where his defensive genes kick in.

McDougall is more a CHF than FF where he uses his agility rather than pace to get the ball. He could become FF but somehow I doubt it.

For me, the spine will look something like:

FF: Staker (possibly)
CHF: McDougall
R: Gardiner, Cox
CHB: Gaspar
FB: Glass (I think)

You've also got Lynch, Johnson, Seaby, Hansen and Staker all around there as well.
 
Originally posted by chrisjudd3
If our attack with Haynes is #1 in the AFL

imagine how good our attack will be with an in-form Wilson.

WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSONNNNNNNN KICKS HIS SIXTH GOAL ON THE RUN, AFTER WEEKS IN THE WAFL HE MAKES HIS RETURN IN EMPHATIC FASHION...and its still the first quarter.
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Yeah I agree. He'll be that keen to have a big one. The tiges defenders will be scared ****less!!!
 
If we drop Haynes I'll throw up, he's really starting to show something down there.

Today he did nothing, but stuff all marks?? Two or three times this year he has led the marks for a match.

He is not a full forward, but he should be a half forward flanker, who should be an option as third tall forward.

But at the moment we have no FF.

We have Gaspar when he is fit at CHF, and we need McDougall/Jakovich/Hansen or anyone to do something there.

Haynes is good but not a FF.

Even try Mark Seaby, and I've said a few times I reckon Trent Carroll. He's a good mark and a very good kick, but he's problem is he doesn't know what to do with the ball when he gets it. At least if he's within 30 metres of goal, he'll know to kick it at goal each time he gets it, and he is actually one of the best kicks in the club. People will bag that comment because we like to bag him abit, but if you actually watch him play and kick when he's got time to think about it, you'll realize he hits his targets more often than just about anyone in the Eagles club.

I reckon Seaby just because he's height could purely cause a problem down there.

We need to have Sampi and Matera in the pockets, Embley on a HFF rotating through the mid, Gaspar at CHF, and Haynes on the other HFF, but we need a FF to do that.
 

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