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Toast Michael Moncrieff - The Most Underrated Hawk Ever?

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I was looking at Hawthorn’s all-time leading goal kickers list recently and noticed Michael Moncrieff sitting at #4 with 629 goals.

That’s ahead of names like Roughead, Breust, Gunston, even Franklin at Hawthorn, yet you rarely (if ever) hear his name mentioned in the same breath as Dunstall, Hudson, Matthews, etc.

He kicked 97 goals in a premiership year (1976), won two flags, and was the club’s leading goalkicker 6 times (equal second most in our history). His goals per game is also 4th of all those greats in our top ten, only behind Hudson, Dunstall and Buddy. At 191 cm and playing in an era of tough defenders and heavy grounds, that seems like a phenomenal career.

What really stands out to me is how, compared to others in the top 10, many of them went on to be named in our Team of the Century - names like Hudson, Matthews, Dunstall, Brereton. Yet Moncrieff, despite his achievements, seems to have slipped under the radar and doesn’t get the same level of recognition, even though his numbers and contributions stack up very well.

This little exploration actually started because I was thinking about how underrated Jack Gunston has been for us, one of the smartest and most reliable forwards of the modern era, and I wondered where he sat in club history. That’s when I stumbled on Moncrieff’s name, well before my time, sitting quietly at #4 and ahead of so many household names.

Would love to hear from those who may have seen him play. What kind of forward was he? Why do you think he doesn’t get the same recognition as the others? Was it just that he came between Hudson and Dunstall? Or is he simply one of those quiet achievers who never sought the limelight?
 
I was looking at Hawthorn’s all-time leading goal kickers list recently and noticed Michael Moncrieff sitting at #4 with 629 goals.

That’s ahead of names like Roughead, Breust, Gunston, even Franklin at Hawthorn, yet you rarely (if ever) hear his name mentioned in the same breath as Dunstall, Hudson, Matthews, etc.

He kicked 97 goals in a premiership year (1976), won two flags, and was the club’s leading goalkicker 6 times (equal second most in our history). His goals per game is also 4th of all those greats in our top ten, only behind Hudson, Dunstall and Buddy. At 191 cm and playing in an era of tough defenders and heavy grounds, that seems like a phenomenal career.

What really stands out to me is how, compared to others in the top 10, many of them went on to be named in our Team of the Century - names like Hudson, Matthews, Dunstall, Brereton. Yet Moncrieff, despite his achievements, seems to have slipped under the radar and doesn’t get the same level of recognition, even though his numbers and contributions stack up very well.

This little exploration actually started because I was thinking about how underrated Jack Gunston has been for us, one of the smartest and most reliable forwards of the modern era, and I wondered where he sat in club history. That’s when I stumbled on Moncrieff’s name, well before my time, sitting quietly at #4 and ahead of so many household names.

Would love to hear from those who may have seen him play. What kind of forward was he? Why do you think he doesn’t get the same recognition as the others? Was it just that he came between Hudson and Dunstall? Or is he simply one of those quiet achievers who never sought the limelight?
Mark and kick old school FF, Gladys was a very good kick for goal. The reason he doesn't get much of a mention is we have had such good full forwards over the journey and he never bagged a hundred.
 
He was a very good forward overshadowed in an era that produced some greats. Will be forever tarred by Dipper's damning observation that he tucked his tracksuit pants into his socks on cold nights at training!

It's probably telling that my memory of the Hawks just about reaches back to that time but I can't quite recall much about Moncrieff. He must have been efficient if not spectacular.
 

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Mark and kick old school FF, Gladys was a very good kick for goal. The reason he doesn't get much of a mention is we have had such good full forwards over the journey and he never bagged a hundred.

Still think his numbers are pretty extraordinary!

Would be the leading goalkicker ever at a number of other clubs with his tally!
 
I agree with the name of this thread, have thought the same for a long time.

It’s also worth noting that in 1977 he played a full year in defence (because Hudson was back). That was sandwiched between two 90 goal seasons in premiership years.

It’s a bit before my time, but that record suggests he must have been a very important part of two premiership teams, yet he is rarely mentioned when discussing either past Hawks or stars of the ‘70s.

He isn’t in our hall of fame for example, and is record suggests he is unlucky not to be.
 
I was looking at Hawthorn’s all-time leading goal kickers list recently and noticed Michael Moncrieff sitting at #4 with 629 goals.

That’s ahead of names like Roughead, Breust, Gunston, even Franklin at Hawthorn, yet you rarely (if ever) hear his name mentioned in the same breath as Dunstall, Hudson, Matthews, etc.

He kicked 97 goals in a premiership year (1976), won two flags, and was the club’s leading goalkicker 6 times (equal second most in our history). His goals per game is also 4th of all those greats in our top ten, only behind Hudson, Dunstall and Buddy. At 191 cm and playing in an era of tough defenders and heavy grounds, that seems like a phenomenal career.

What really stands out to me is how, compared to others in the top 10, many of them went on to be named in our Team of the Century - names like Hudson, Matthews, Dunstall, Brereton. Yet Moncrieff, despite his achievements, seems to have slipped under the radar and doesn’t get the same level of recognition, even though his numbers and contributions stack up very well.

This little exploration actually started because I was thinking about how underrated Jack Gunston has been for us, one of the smartest and most reliable forwards of the modern era, and I wondered where he sat in club history. That’s when I stumbled on Moncrieff’s name, well before my time, sitting quietly at #4 and ahead of so many household names.

Would love to hear from those who may have seen him play. What kind of forward was he? Why do you think he doesn’t get the same recognition as the others? Was it just that he came between Hudson and Dunstall? Or is he simply one of those quiet achievers who never sought the limelight?
back in the 70s you could go into the club rooms after a game. Michael was sitting on a bench after the game, we had just thrashed Collingwood by 120+ points, and I missed the first 15 minutes, so I asked him as he was signing my autograph book, how manydid you kick today? he said as nonchalantly as you like "ten mate".


Turned out to be his career high, but he said it like he was saying "it's saturday"

Interestingly, his highest Brownlow year was when he didn't play at full forward, (1977 when Hudson replaced him) he kicked 8 goals in 24 games, but polled 9 Brownlow votes.
 
He played the whole 1977 season at Full Back when Hudson returned.
In 1983 he kicked 41 goals in his first nine games. Got a niggle, played three poor games then was never seen again.

Based on what everyone has said, I’m starting to think there might be a personality issue that prevented him from having his reputation match his exploits!

To be honest, I’m stunned that someone mentioned above that he isn’t in the Hawks HoF?!
 
Based on what everyone has said, I’m starting to think there might be a personality issue that prevented him from having his reputation match his exploits!

To be honest, I’m stunned that someone mentioned above that he isn’t in the Hawks HoF?!
Not at all. Was a popular star at the time. Pretty sure he was the first president of the AFLPA. Simply sandwiched between Hudson and Dunstall. A bit similar to John Hendrie who was an absolute star HFF in the 1970s, he has been forgotten by history. Neither were known as being particularly tough, but reckon we have so many stars and so much success that they simply get pushed back in the queue.
 

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Not at all. Was a popular star at the time. Pretty sure he was the first president of the AFLPA. Simply sandwiched between Hudson and Dunstall. A bit similar to John Hendrie who was an absolute star HFF in the 1970s, he has been forgotten by history. Neither were known as being particularly tough, but reckon we have so many stars and so much success that they simply get pushed back in the queue.
Hendrie's accuracy in front of goal let him down. Made him a frustrating player.
 
We are family friends with the Moncrieffs. Havent seen the old fella for about 10 years but my dad and him keep in touch.
Moncs was working at a golf course down Moorabbin way last i heard. Is a very unassuming chap. Still answers to Gladys lol
Great fella the Goose. He was president of the Patterson River golf club for a while. Tells some great stories from his time at the hawks
 
I remember Moncas in his twilight playing years. From memory, a mark he took flipping backwards was always in the opening titles of The Big League, the Saturday night 6.30pm replay show on 7.
 

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I remember Moncas in his twilight playing years. From memory, a mark he took flipping backwards was always in the opening titles of The Big League, the Saturday night 6.30pm replay show on 7.
If its the one I'm thinking of, he leapt up in the air from in front of the opposition full-back, and then tumbled backwards over the top of him, still holding the ball at full stretch.

It was a pretty incredible grab.

EDIT: 2 minute mark in this clip...

 
If its the one I'm thinking of, he leapt up in the air from in front of the opposition full-back, and then tumbled backwards over the top of him, still holding the ball at full stretch.

It was a pretty incredible grab.

EDIT: 2 minute mark in this clip...


That’s exactly the one!
 
He played the whole 1977 season at Full Back when Hudson returned.
In 1983 he kicked 41 goals in his first nine games. Got a niggle, played three poor games then was never seen again.
After 97 goals in a premiership side was the wrong move. They put him back there 78 and kicked 90 goals for another flag. Botched threepeat in retrospect
 
My memories on MM.

1. Set shots from the boundary line. No problem. Was unbelievably good. Set shot from in front of goal...for some reason not as good.

2. Never seemed to get involved in the rough stuff.

3. I think hampered by his nickname "Gladys" No flamboyance about his goal celebrations. Like an old fashioned tax accountant who has just moved a file from the "in" tray to the "out" tray...more to go.

4. In and around the era of Peter Hudson was always second best.

5. End of 1983 moved to St Kilda FC but got injured in a practice match and never actually played a game for them.
 
back in the 70s you could go into the club rooms after a game. Michael was sitting on a bench after the game, we had just thrashed Collingwood by 120+ points, and I missed the first 15 minutes, so I asked him as he was signing my autograph book, how manydid you kick today? he said as nonchalantly as you like "ten mate".


Turned out to be his career high, but he said it like he was saying "it's saturday"

Interestingly, his highest Brownlow year was when he didn't play at full forward, (1977 when Hudson replaced him) he kicked 8 goals in 24 games, but polled 9 Brownlow votes.

Gotta love this. Typical humble Aussie high achiever.

Worked hard his whole life to hone his craft, does something only the best do, and when talking about it he makes you feel like "you can do it too mate".

Sorta vanilla compared to Peck and the others.

I just finished watching his highlights. If that's Vanilla, I wonder what the Double Choc chip, and the Passionfruit Sorbet players of his time were like.

It's only a small sample size of highlights, but out of players from 40+ years ago, he seems like someone who would do just as well in the modern game. If St Kilda have increased their offer for Tom De Koning (35 Goals in career at nearly 26) to 1.8 million a season, what would they offer someone like Moncrieff today?

Moncrieff did get recruited by St Kilda to do nothing for them, which is quite similar to the Dr Koning situation in some ways.

When I was reading the initial comments about Moncrieff, I had the preconception of someone like Bruce Doull, an all time great who took more contested Intercept marks than said words in interviews.

And then people say things like Moncrieff was the first president of the AFLPA. You can't be laconic and still do that job. Unless of course, you are Mabior Chol.

Moncrieff is in Hawthorn's top five for goals per game with 2.81. Only Hudson, Dunstall and Franklin are ahead of him. And some guy called "Luke" ... Lowden.

You can understand why he isn't in the team of the century, but why isn't he in the club Hall of Fame? Seems unusual with his record.
 

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