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[TENACIOUS]

I’m sick and tired of the circle jerk of pats on the back, that happens at Carlton after poor loss’s.

We’ve become a club, of not wanting to offend anyone.

WTF hasn’t Voss turned this team into himself and what he demanded from his Captaincy. A team of mongrel, ruthless, unrelenting, professionals that want to bury you on the field.

That’s what McRae has done and he learnt that from Voss FFS.

 

[Accidental genius]

Hypothetically, probably.
By the same token, would the Collingwood list perform worse under our coaches and system?

No - the filth players and in particular their leadership group have had good learnings under fly and their systems…

They’d probably tell our coaches and systems to STFU and watch and learn how tge modern game is played.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I’m sick and tired of the circle jerk of pats on the back, that happens at Carlton after poor loss’s.

We’ve become a club, of not wanting to offend anyone.

WTF hasn’t Voss turned this team into himself and what he demanded from his Captaincy. A team of mongrel, ruthless, unrelenting, professionals that want to bury you on the field.

That’s what McRae has done and he learnt that from Voss FFS.

We don't have the types. Who are the tough, uncompromising types in our side? They are all nice guys.

Owies was a pest. Kennedy was a smiling assassin who got involved in the stoushes.

Our big guys don't protect the others. TDK, McKay and Curnow are all nice.

Newman, Silvagni and Cincotta are probably the only ones who don't mind a bit of aggression, and Cripps will put out spot fires as skipper. We are incredibly timid as far as mongrel goes.

 

[Accidental genius]

That’s what McRae has done and he learnt that from Voss FFS.

Huge difference when it comes to coaching….

McRae is a thinker and has been very effective as a coach

Voss was a brut player but can’t think or strategise to manage a group of players to bring success.

 

[blue healer]

Huge difference when it comes to coaching….

McRae is a thinker and has been very effective as a coach

Voss was a brut player but can’t think or strategise to manage a group of players to bring success.

Strategies aside (seems generally thought that it's not his strength) my main criticism is that he hasn't been able to create any lasting team spirit within this team, Yes, when our backs are to the wall we show an "all for one and one for all" attitude but it's only in desperate times and. sadly, only fleeting.

Some say that the players love Voss and I don't dispute that but, with their inconsistant approach they sure as hell don't seem to respect him.

 

[ESKIE]

The loss on Saturday is on the players not Voss IMO

 

[Accidental genius]

Strategies aside (seems generally thought that it's not his strength) my main criticism is that he hasn't been able to create any lasting team spirit within this team, Yes, when our backs are to the wall we show an "all for one and one for all" attitude but it's only in desperate times and. sadly, only fleeting.

Some say that the players love Voss and I don't dispute that but, with their inconsistant approach they sure as hell don't seem to respect him.

Yeah it’s largely up to the head coach to get the best out of tge players…

There is also an element of having too many key players that just haven’t grown up..H and Charlie two key examples. With their talent they should be killing it by now.

 

[Accidental genius]

The loss on Saturday is on the players not Voss IMO

Maybe both?

also Voss’s job to get the players up ?

 

[Soapy V]

We don't have the types. Who are the tough, uncompromising types in our side? They are all nice guys.

Owies was a pest. Kennedy was a smiling assassin who got involved in the stoushes.

Our big guys don't protect the others. TDK, McKay and Curnow are all nice.

Newman, Silvagni and Cincotta are probably the only ones who don't mind a bit of aggression, and Cripps will put out spot fires as skipper. We are incredibly timid as far as mongrel goes.

Whilst I agree with your comments what happened to the effort and toughness of these players that produced such a relentless style of football in the second half of 2023?

IMO shows they can do it. Why don't they?

 

[Accidental genius]

Whilst I agree with your comments what happened to the effort and toughness of these players that produced such a relentless style of football in the second half of 2023?

IMO shows they can do it. Why don't they?

The curnows farm camp instagated that…pretty much player driven motivation

Sort of seems like the players do as they want rather than follow team ethos ?

Do they respect/value tge coach?

Most of our core group of players have had 3 or 4 coaches. Mostly poor ones.

I think it’s timed or a mini reset of coaches and players…

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We don't have the types. Who are the tough, uncompromising types in our side? They are all nice guys.

Owies was a pest. Kennedy was a smiling assassin who got involved in the stoushes.

Our big guys don't protect the others. TDK, McKay and Curnow are all nice.

Newman, Silvagni and Cincotta are probably the only ones who don't mind a bit of aggression, and Cripps will put out spot fires as skipper. We are incredibly timid as far as mongrel goes.

When Tex was screaming in Saad's face, Young didn't get involved until later and then just gave a little shove.

If Jack was there it would have been a different story...

 

[JustaBattler]

We don't have the types. Who are the tough, uncompromising types in our side? They are all nice guys.

Owies was a pest. Kennedy was a smiling assassin who got involved in the stoushes.

Our big guys don't protect the others. TDK, McKay and Curnow are all nice.

Newman, Silvagni and Cincotta are probably the only ones who don't mind a bit of aggression, and Cripps will put out spot fires as skipper. We are incredibly timid as far as mongrel goes.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Whilst I agree with your comments what happened to the effort and toughness of these players that produced such a relentless style of football in the second half of 2023?

IMO shows they can do it. Why don't they?

Jekyll and Hyde.

Look at every season under Voss - half good, the other half bad. 2023 just happened to be the second half being good. 2022 and 2024 were first half good. Maybe 2025 will be second half good again?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Whilst I agree with your comments what happened to the effort and toughness of these players that produced such a relentless style of football in the second half of 2023?

IMO shows they can do it. Why don't they?

Because it's a job, not a passion. No desire to succeed.

 

[Soapy V]

Jekyll and Hyde.

Look at every season under Voss - half good, the other half bad. 2023 just happened to be the second half being good. 2022 and 2024 were first half good. Maybe 2025 will be second half good again?

Standards?
Culture?
Mentally weak?

Whatever it is until it's addressed we won't win a Flag

 

[passmark]

Seems to be a bit of twisting in knots trying to make this a list issue rather than a coaching/leadership issue.

Every list has holes. The only question should be “can we play much better than we did against Adelaide?”

The answer is in the performance against Geelong.

That’s coaching/leadership . Our list shits on many others but yet the team doesn’t win anywhere near the games it should.

 

[DangerousD]

Geelong aren't too quick for us. It was two hours of watching Adelaide players run away from our players and gain ground and Adelaide players run down our players.

Geelong aren’t too quick for us but they seem to be quick enough to finish top 4 every year and give themselves a shot at a premiership.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

IMO shows they can do it. Why don't they?

They seem to do it best when backs are against the wall, no expectations and can play with a bit more freedom.

 

[DangerousD]

Do you really think a new coach who has to play the following players will make a significant difference?
Docherty, Acres, Motlop, Young, Cowan, Fogarty, Lord, White, Mcgovern, Carrol
10 players of 22 are either too young, too old, slow or not afl

Short answer. Yes.

But a new coach doesn’t have to play these guys, a new coach can say to Austin or whoever is in charge, I’m not going to play Doc so don’t offer him a new deal, he can say Fog, Motlop aren’t up to it so see if they want to look elsewhere, he can say the same to Gov, he can actually play Cowan in a way that doesn’t kill his natural ability, he can push Binns to move on.

A new coach with a new style, new assistants, a bit of a clean out, a few new faces and things change straight away.

 

[Accidental genius]

Geelong aren’t too quick for us but they seem to be quick enough to finish top 4 every year and give themselves a shot at a premiership.

They’ve got a lot of on field leaders that step up as required.

 

[Juice030103]

Just get him better assistants

 

[RPCB]

I’m sick and tired of the circle jerk of pats on the back, that happens at Carlton after poor loss’s.

We’ve become a club, of not wanting to offend anyone.

WTF hasn’t Voss turned this team into himself and what he demanded from his Captaincy. A team of mongrel, ruthless, unrelenting, professionals that want to bury you on the field.

That’s what McRae has done and he learnt that from Voss FFS.

If that Michael Voss played in today’s AFL, he would be getting suspended multiple times a year.

 

[Accidental genius]

Just get him better assistants

Which better assistant is knocking the door down to work under Voss?

They have choices and I would highly doubt that they’d wanna work under Voss.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Standards?
Culture?
Mentally weak?

Whatever it is until it's addressed we won't win a Flag

It's all of the above.

Fish rots from the head. I'm a firm believer that the standards need to be set from the president. That's not just from football experience, but life experience throughout my career as well.

I know there's people that think the board have nothing to do with on field, but a board with proper standards would not allow members of said board to step in to the coach hiring process for example. I know we didn't have a CEO until a couple days before the coach was signed but we did have a director of football and a qualified panel.

Who was it that was driving the "we need a coach with experience" line? I don't think it was Diesel... but that pretty much pigeonholed us to selecting Voss... plus the 3 time premiership captain was an easy sell to the casuals...

Don't even get me started on the GM of football surviving this long...

Until we have a board with strong leadership that wants to win premierships over making money and virtue signaling, those issues will continue to permeate the club imo.

 

[Soapy V]

Huge difference when it comes to coaching….

McRae is a thinker and has been very effective as a coach

Voss was a brut player but can’t think or strategise to manage a group of players to bring success.

Agree but we need to remember that McRae walked into a club with better standards and a good culture. They had been around the mark. He was then able to adjust and get a flag. Voss walked into a club that was a rabble and had no standards and a poor culture. He has improved this but no where near enough.

I also believe he has been poorly supported. Our assistants are the worst in the league.

I question Voss as a tactician and a senior coach but he hasn't been helped at all and started from a low base