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[Blue1980]

Your list is excellent. If we’d have a McKay or Curnow we might have won a premiership in 2023.

We have zero even average small forwards, we are slow, and have poor ball users as a majority of the team. The defence is generally solid, but that’s often due to the fact we flood back and defend with 17.

You’re seduced by the big names. It’s not a shit list and with some canny additions and a coach with a game plan which goes with our strengths and has buy in from everyone, we could shoot up to being a top 4-6 side.

I’m not of the view all is lost and we are going to go through some sort of scorched earth 2015/16 rebuild again, that doesn’t need to happen.

 

[Blue1980]

And i think Hewitt recently re-signed too.

I'd settle for a couple of pacey wings and i dont mean a speed starved Carlton definition of pace in Cottrell. Some genuine speed there, a quality pocket/crumber and a half forward or two that can hit a target and we're good!

Seems anyone we have with pace or endurance can’t use the ball well.

Acres while never the best user of the ball is coming off back surgery pre season, so this year was always going to be tough with him.

Ollie Hollands is a keeper, Binns can run all day but doesn’t use it well enough.

We really struggle without Cottrell and elijah Hollands as high half forwards. We are still so light on for endurance and speed, missing anyone with those attributes becomes a yawning chasm we can’t fix.

 

[bigblueboy]

Doubt Voss survives this loss.
Expect preparations for next year will begin more forcefully this week.

 

[95blues]

Seems anyone we have with pace or endurance can’t use the ball well.

Acres while never the best user of the ball is coming off back surgery pre season, so this year was always going to be tough with him.

Ollie Hollands is a keeper, Binns can run all day but doesn’t use it well enough.

We really struggle without Cottrell and elijah Hollands as high half forwards. We are still so light on for endurance and speed, missing anyone with those attributes becomes a yawning chasm we can’t fix.

Pretty much.

 

[jj1978]

I’ve seen this movie before and there’s always someone not wanting a coach sacked, like ever under any circumstances, and you are it now. I’m sure there were people who thought Mark Neeld just needed time.

Thing is Voss just isn’t a good coach. There are other issues at the club, but he is one of them himself.

I think the majority of people deep down would prefer not to have a coach sacked. Fundamentally it’s due to the understanding that things have not transpired as hoped and now one individual who is most of the time a really decent person is taking one for the team. I was sad for Britain, Ratts, Bolton as I felt we pulled the trigger a year too early. Pagan I felt sad for but it was time, as for Mick and Teague they never never never should have got the role as should’ve Voss. Voss I feel for because he’s really a great citizen, father and person he just is not a top tier head coach in my view.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

He came in as a not particularly strong tactical coach but a great motivator, so I imagine he'd have to be a bit worried for his job at the moment

 

[jj1978]

He came in as a not particularly strong tactical coach but a great motivator, so I imagine he'd have to be a bit worried for his job at the moment

Yes since motivation in games seems to be our biggest failure this year. Bar yesterday have not seen us fight back in a game like we did various times in 2023 and prior.

 

[Blue1980]

I think the majority of people deep down would prefer not to have a coach sacked. Fundamentally it’s due to the understanding that things have not transpired as hoped and now one individual who is most of the time a really decent person is taking one for the team. I was sad for Britain, Ratts, Bolton as I felt we pulled the trigger a year too early. Pagan I felt sad for but it was time, as for Mick and Teague they never never never should have got the role as should’ve Voss. Voss I feel for because he’s really a great citizen, father and person he just is not a top tier head coach in my view.

Well in an ideal world Voss turns this around and wins a flag and we have egg on our faces for doubting him. But that ain’t happening, he got bailed out once in 2023 and it isn’t happening again.

I don’t give a shit how great a bloke he is though if he isn’t up to it. He will get a decent pay out and still be fine without being senior coach of Carlton. He’s tried, he’s failed.

 

[RAPPA]

I think the majority of people deep down would prefer not to have a coach sacked. Fundamentally it’s due to the understanding that things have not transpired as hoped and now one individual who is most of the time a really decent person is taking one for the team. I was sad for Britain, Ratts, Bolton as I felt we pulled the trigger a year too early. Pagan I felt sad for but it was time, as for Mick and Teague they never never never should have got the role as should’ve Voss. Voss I feel for because he’s really a great citizen, father and person he just is not a top tier head coach in my view.

This including the views re the previous coaches.

 

[Foucault1989]

Teague’s was the North game a few weeks earlier when we lost by 40 and laid 30 tackles

I have blacked out the Teague era.

 

[Dominator_7]

I backed Voss when he was under the pump in ‘23 and I’ve continued to back him all of this year. After yesterday’s shameful display though, I’ve changed my mind. The boys look confused, meek and uninspired. Shocking signs fir a coach 4 years into his reign
Sadly, I think the end is nigh.

 

[Dominator_7]

Don’t think he ll be gone until we’re mathematically unable to make Finals

 

[demondavey]

Don’t think he ll be gone until we’re mathematically unable to make Finals

You aren’t playing finals

 

[Accidental genius]

You aren’t playing finals

I think club already knows this.

Hopefully they start preparing for next year asap.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Your list is excellent. If we’d have a McKay or Curnow we might have won a premiership in 2023.

You’d also be 20% over the salary cap

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Scary thing is, SOS approached the coaches himself about his move down back. So Voss can’t even claim that one.

From memory so did Williams with moving up forward in one his interviews…

 

[demondavey]

You’d also be 20% over the salary cap

Hasn’t stopped Geelong

 

[Beyond Blue]

Hasn’t stopped Geelong

Spot (Cotton) on

 

[JustaBattler]

So what would it take for you to think Voss isn’t up to it? Anything? Should we just give him a 15 year contract in the name of “stability”?

Voss isn the biggest problem at Carlton that is my point and always has been. He lost my 100% support when he shoved Kennedy out the door/Played TDK as a sub in an elimination final and lost the first game of the season to Richmond after a 40 point lead.

My point is that posters on here are kidding themselves about the list - big time and have been for two years now.

To the extent that Voss has bene involved in list decisions he carries responsibility for the fact that we still do not have a functoning forward line and still do not have teh between the arcs capability to play tempo football and control games when they need to be controlled.

I have also lost confidence in prett ymuch every so called super star thatt plays at Carlton - Cripps has been a disaster of a Captain.

The Club is still in love with players after all these years of being Fked over by players.

but to answer your question directly I'd prefer to see Voss given the same amount of time as Fagan/Hardwick/Scott were not as much as Buckley or Longmuir or Simpson though they all had more than 10 years....

However Carlton being Carlton will shove him out and declare to wanna be coaches- come to Carlton with a half arsed list you have 2 years to win 2 flags with this and if you dont you will FOFFed - that is Carlton of the last 25 years- the only Carlton Ive ever known -a bunch of entitled losers.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Voss isn the biggest problem at Carlton that is my point and always has been. He lost my 100% support when he shoved Kennedy out the door/Played TDK as a sub in an elimination final and lost the first game of the season to Richmond after a 40 point lead.

My point is that posters on here are kidding themselves about the list - big time and have been for two years now.

To the extent that Voss has bene involved in list decisions he carries responsibility for the fact that we still do not have a functoning forward line and still do not have teh between the arcs capability to play tempo football and control games when they need to be controlled.

I have also lost confidence in prett ymuch every so called super star thatt plays at Carlton - Cripps has been a disaster of a Captain.

The Club is still in love with players after all these years of being Fked over by players.

but to answer your question directly I'd prefer to see Voss given the same amount of time as Fagan/Hardwick/Scott were not as much as Buckley or Longmuir or Simpson though they all had more than 10 years....

However Carlton being Carlton will shove him out and declare to wanna be coaches- come to Carlton with a half arsed list you have 2 years to win 2 flags with this and if you dont you will FOFFed - that is Carlton of the last 25 years- the only Carlton Ive ever known -a bunch of entitled losers.

How the **** has Crippa been a disaster as a captain???

 

[Blue1980]

Voss isn the biggest problem at Carlton that is my point and always has been. He lost my 100% support when he shoved Kennedy out the door/Played TDK as a sub in an elimination final and lost the first game of the season to Richmond after a 40 point lead.

My point is that posters on here are kidding themselves about the list - big time and have been for two years now.

To the extent that Voss has bene involved in list decisions he carries responsibility for the fact that we still do not have a functoning forward line and still do not have teh between the arcs capability to play tempo football and control games when they need to be controlled.

I have also lost confidence in prett ymuch every so called super star thatt plays at Carlton - Cripps has been a disaster of a Captain.

The Club is still in love with players after all these years of being Fked over by players.

but to answer your question directly I'd prefer to see Voss given the same amount of time as Fagan/Hardwick/Scott were not as much as Buckley or Longmuir or Simpson though they all had more than 10 years....

However Carlton being Carlton will shove him out and declare to wanna be coaches- come to Carlton with a half arsed list you have 2 years to win 2 flags with this and if you dont you will FOFFed - that is Carlton of the last 25 years- the only Carlton Ive ever known -a bunch of entitled losers.

If you are talking Fagan, he was top 4 in his 2nd season and stayed there; Hardwick took over a side at the bottom then got them to 3 consecutive finals appearances 2013-15 (lost all the finals but was nearly top 4 in the normal season 2013 and 2015), then they had a bad 2016; brad Scott I assume you are referring to at his time at north, same thing kept them improving.

Now no way am I saying we don’t have deficiencies with the list, we do. However even if we addressed some of these I don’t think Vossy is the guy. I mean we could just see and find out but for me I’ve seen enough evidence that this just isn’t working.

In just over 3.5 years, we have had maybe 1.5 seasons of good footy, and over 2 years of abject confused garbage.

4 years is more than enough time that you should see a way the side wants to play drilled in, I see no evidence of this. Also 4 years is a long time as a coach to see if someone can cut it. He already had 5 seasons at Brisbane, what more evidence do we need he ain’t the guy regardless of how we model the list?

 

[Blue1980]

How the **** has Crippa been a disaster as a captain???

Apparently a 2 time Brownlow medalists fault. He’s clearly playing hurt again, like Charlie, Weiters and Acres are.

 

[JustaBattler]

If you are talking Fagan, he was top 4 in his 2nd season and stayed there; Hardwick took over a side at the bottom then got them to 3 consecutive finals appearances 2013-15 (lost all the finals but was nearly top 4 in the normal season 2013 and 2015), then they had a bad 2016; brad Scott I assume you are referring to at his time at north, same thing kept them improving.

Now no way am I saying we don’t have deficiencies with the list, we do. However even if we addressed some of these I don’t think Vossy is the guy. I mean we could just see and find out but for me I’ve seen enough evidence that this just isn’t working.

In just over 3.5 years, we have had maybe 1.5 seasons of good footy, and over 2 years of abject confused garbage.

4 years is more than enough time that you should see a way the side wants to play drilled in, I see no evidence of this. Also 4 years is a long time as a coach to see if someone can cut it. He already had 5 seasons at Brisbane, what more evidence do we need he ain’t the guy regardless of how we model the list?

If the list isn't fixed nothing will change doesnt matter who is coaching...

If you can get an experienced hard head coach in that has the backing of the CEO and the Board and the willingness to do it- Carlton goes in for a mini rebuild maybe making finals maybe not for a few years and hoping that the youth we have can be developed and that drafts and trades are all perfect....

Yesterday senior players allowed a coule of Norfs hacks to shoulder their way through a Carlton group before the ball was even bounced - this group of Carlton players as a whole is pea hearted - Voss has failed to mongrel them up - then again - he didnt choose any of them.

Chances are that ( lets say for example ) Lonmuir can be talked over- teh first thing he woudl do is spend a yer figuring out which players are players and which players are in it for the laughs and gioggles- no way Charlie Curnow is allowed to laugh and much around, no way is Docheryty allwoed to lift opposiitonm plauyyers off the deck and pat them on the back etc etc etc etc

there is a LOT of really poor culture at Carlton playing group- and Voss isnt responsible for that - the best reason to replace voss is only one reason - a coach that has the gravitas and backing of the CEO and Board to rid the place of the pretenders.

If you can point to a coach teh mongrels Carlton up and takes no shyet from players - I'm on board. If not - then Id rather see a few over paid loud mouths players pizzed orf.

 

[Blue1980]

If the list isn't fixed nothing will change doesnt matter who is coaching...

If you can get an experienced hard head coach in that has the backing of the CEO and the Board and the willingness to do it- Carlton goes in for a mini rebuild maybe making finals maybe not for a few years and hoping that the youth we have can be developed and that drafts and trades are all perfect....

Yesterday senior players allowed a coule of Norfs hacks to shoulder their way through a Carlton group before the ball was even bounced - this group of Carlton players as a whole is pea hearted - Voss has failed to mongrel them up - then again - he didnt choose any of them.

Chances are that ( lets say for example ) Lonmuir can be talked over- teh first thing he woudl do is spend a yer figuring out which players are players and which players are in it for the laughs and gioggles- no way Charlie Curnow is allowed to laugh and much around, no way is Docheryty allwoed to lift opposiitonm plauyyers off the deck and pat them on the back etc etc etc etc

there is a LOT of really poor culture at Carlton playing group- and Voss isnt responsible for that - the best reason to replace voss is only one reason - a coach that has the gravitas and backing of the CEO and Board to rid the place of the pretenders.

If you can point to a coach teh mongrels Carlton up and takes no shyet from players - I'm on board. If not - then Id rather see a few over paid loud mouths players pizzed orf.

I don’t think it’s just Voss and I don’t think it’s just the players, I want changes to both coaching and playing personnel.

 

[95blues]

How the **** has Crippa been a disaster as a captain???

In fairness.. the Captain is the coaches on field voice. If theres a chain of responsibility, he's next in line after Voss.