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[Blue_Fusion]

Whilst I 100% agree, just moving on the coach won't change much it now needs to happen.

He is done. He has lost the players and importantly is tactically inept. He cannot come back from this and this includes our entire coaching panel

With Wright coming in we need change and a clear NEW direction. He needs to have his people who he trusts. This club has an issue around standards and expectations. Chipping away won't help. It is time for change

Our coaching, development and recruiting all need major changes. IMO the Head of Football is the most vital and needs to happen first

Spot on. Losing to both Richmond and North has sealed Voss' fate.

But the pretenders in the millionaires club need to be put on notice too...

I said TDK should be offered 850k for 4 years and that's factoring in the salary cap increase. Not a dollar more! If Saints are still offering $1.7M for 7 years he needs to take that and run, it's the equivalent of winning the lottery for him.

Harry should be traded to Sydney. But we need their 2025 + 2026 1st otherwise, we keep him. I know the draft sucks this year, but there are a couple types that would be handy. It is what it is, going after Bergman on a 7 year contract would be another disaster.

Next year, Walsh goes as a FA.

We need a rebuild soap, none of the core group have hit this season with the right attitude apart from Hewett and Silvagni. Could argue Cerra, but his i50 kicking was dreadful v North...

They're declining with age, they're mentally weak and they're "in no hurry to win a premiership"...

 

[Soapy V]

Spot on. Losing to both Richmond and North has sealed Voss' fate.

But the pretenders in the millionaires club need to be put on notice too...

I said TDK should be offered 850k for 4 years and that's factoring in the salary cap increase. Not a dollar more! If Saints are still offering $1.7M for 7 years he needs to take that and run, it's the equivalent of winning the lottery for him.

Harry should be traded to Sydney. But we need their 2025 + 2026 1st otherwise, we keep him. I know the draft sucks this year, but there are a couple types that would be handy. It is what it is, going after Bergman on a 7 year contract would be another disaster.

Next year, Walsh goes as a FA.

We need a rebuild soap, none of the core group have hit this season with the right attitude apart from Hewett and Silvagni. Could argue Cerra, but his i50 kicking was dreadful v North...

They're declining with age, they're mentally weak and they're "in no hurry to win a premiership"...

I understand your points and they are fair

Where I differ (with most on here) is I don't think we need a major rebuild, but more of a reset.

Our list has ability and I don't think Voss has got close to the best out of it. Is it Top 4? Very debatable, but with a proper structure, game plan, standards and a few key additions I feel we can easily play finals in 2026

Not easy and we will have to get a few things right but it can happen and IMO that is the direction I would head

 

[Matty411]

Question is: what's the point in waiting until the end of season to announce/make these calls?

There are pros in waiting til end of year; but if its certain and the staff / players are told their papers are stamped, why would they want to stay?

Rip the bandaid off, I say.

I'm sure you're a good bloke, Vossy and have given it your absolute best. You're also nowhere near the only one at fault in this failure. But I think your time at the club is ending.

 

[JustaBattler]

I've repped NSW in m9re than 1 sport, I've coached at similar levels, I've got a masters in a core science, almost finished my CPA and run my own successful business. I'm 31. I qualify to open tomato tins and my relevant experiences are actually recent... I want him gone. He's not a good enoigh head coach. Assistant was probably the ceiling. Even if he understands the game its nqot enough...

I don't think I've seen many boofheads succeed as head coaches.... Ever...


But maybe he could've succeeded in a club that didn't play bullshit behind the scenes with rusted on ****sticks playing ego because they've got nothing else. The board, cook and the direction setters should be gone. Unfortunately for Voss they weren't deleted early enough and so he's going down Too

I'll say this - I hope that all the people calling for Voss's head are correct and that all that is required is a change of coaches.

Maybe this time that will work - I guess you never know until you try.

 

[Soapy V]

I'll say this - I hope that all the people calling for Voss's head are correct and that all that is required is a change of coaches.

Maybe this time that will work - I guess you never know until you try.

NO ONE has said that

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

It’s funny how much time and effort has been put in by posters arguing over if our predicament is coaching, list management or player application now everyone seems to unanimously agree that we’re shit in all three departments

 

[Chemical]

I'll say this - I hope that all the people calling for Voss's head are correct and that all that is required is a change of coaches.

Maybe this time that will work - I guess you never know until you try.

I think everyone here has said that there's more problems than just the head coach.

 

[JustaBattler]

NO ONE has said that

if you say so - but I'll tell you what NO ONE has tried to do - and that is understand the LIST, calculate what it means to get a new coach in, think about the time that it will take to build a new game plan with a new ( imaginary list) etc etc etc..all in the context of a new coaching regime and any other changes that need to be made to the football side of things...

very easy for people to suggest oh get a new coach and get some players in that do this and that and the other thing- another thing to try and do everything at the same time.

Evolution is better than revolution.

 

[JustaBattler]

I think everyone here has said that there's more problems than just the head coach.

That is the issue - and no one except those inside the Club understand the sum of all the connected bits - if they do.

 

[Pixelshooter]

My issue with sacking Voss is if that happens, there's a lesser chance we'll see significant change in other areas. I doubt Wright is going to completely blow up the joint...get rid of Voss, our Assistants and Lloyd. That's far too much upheavel for a club in one go.

I'd keep Voss until his contract is up (end of next year) and blow up the joint around him...tell him to suck it up and embrace the change and only if he refuses that would I consider moving him on as well.

If we sack him, that'll be 5 coaches in 10 years and we're probably in a worse position now than back then. Surely it's time we learnt from some other clubs (Richmond and Geelong) and tried that pathway before just the typical kneejerk Carlton response.

 

[Soapy V]

if you say so - but I'll tell you what NO ONE has tried to do - and that is understand the LIST, calculate what it means to get a new coach in, think about the time that it will take to build a new game plan with a new ( imaginary list) etc etc etc..all in the context of a new coaching regime and any other changes that need to be made to the football side of things...

very easy for people to suggest oh get a new coach and get some players in that do this and that and the other thing- another thing to try and do everything at the same time.

Evolution is better than revolution.

Couldn't disagree more

I have read most posts and vaste majority have said Voss needs to go along with changes to HOF, List Management, Development etc. Many have offered possible solutions

To be fair most people on here have been very balanced and the discussion has been great despite the mess we are in.

Then of course there are the 2-3 people that have an agenda no matter what..............

 

[Soapy V]

My issue with sacking Voss is if that happens, there's a lesser chance we'll see significant change in other areas. I doubt Wright is going to completely blow up the joint...get rid of Voss, our Assistants and Lloyd. That's far too much upheavel for a club in one go.

I'd keep Voss until his contract is up (end of next year) and blow up the joint around him...tell him to suck it up and embrace the change and only if he refuses that would I consider moving him on as well.

If we sack him, that'll be 5 coaches in 10 years and we're probably in a worse position now than back then. Surely it's time we learnt from some other clubs (Richmond and Geelong) and tried that pathway before just the typical kneejerk Carlton response.

I really believe Wright will come in and appoint some top people to key positions first.

I believe HOF will be first followed by a complete change in coaching structure. I know that most of the Assistants will not be there in 2026. Recruitment, LM, Developement have all been reviewed

Wright has spent the last few months speaking with many top people around the league about joining the club. We will already have a starting plan in place and have targeted roles and people.

He won't be "blowing up" the place but there will be key changes

You will then see changes happen over the next 3-4 months. Of this I have no doubt

 

[jj1978]

Stench of the final months of Teague's tenure here. Noise coming through various media that no decision on Voss will be made till end of season and club (Pres/CEO) will be cautious and considerate.

Perhaps some of it is due to Cook and not wanting to tarnish his reputation and leave with a coach sacking.

Another reset on the cards I'm afraid.

 

[Soapy V]

My take based on everything that I have been told is that the weekend does not change anything Wright will or is doing.

Changes were always happening and he has done his reviews. It's just who and when

 

[El Topo]

Stench of the final months of Teague's tenure here. Noise coming through various media that no decision on Voss will be made till end of season and club (Pres/CEO) will be cautious and considerate.

Perhaps some of it is due to Cook and not wanting to tarnish his reputation and leave with a coach sacking.

Another reset on the cards I'm afraid.

At least we don't have a Collingwood taking all the top assistants this time around

 

[Coops93]

Spot (Cotton) on

What are VISY up to these days?

 

[JustaBattler]

Couldn't disagree more

I have read most posts and vaste majority have said Voss needs to go along with changes to HOF, List Management, Development etc. Many have offered possible solutions

To be fair most people on here have been very balanced and the discussion has been great despite the mess we are in.

Then of course there are the 2-3 people that have an agenda no matter what..............

I'm not interested in YOUR POV regarding 'agendas' tbh- as you have been carrying an obvious to all 'agenda'...

if you wish to discount the difficulties associated with recalibrating so much that needs fixing - you are welcome to that POV.

On the other hand perhaps you might like to pause and reflect on the enormity of the task involved and give some merit to the notion that yes it is a big job - and every move is its own mini project with its own set of risk/cost/return parameters.

I'm perhaps just a tad more cautious and less adventurous than you.

 

[Soapy V]

I'm not interested in YOUR POV regarding 'agendas' tbh- as you have been carrying an obvious to all 'agenda'...

if you wish to discount the difficulties associated with recalibrating so much that needs fixing - you are welcome to that POV.

On the other hand perhaps you might like to pause and reflect on the enormity of the task involved and give some merit to the notion that yes it is a big job - and every move is its own mini project with its own set of risk/cost/return parameters.

I'm perhaps just a tad more cautious and less adventurous than you.

You're assuming things that aren't true.

I believe, based on most posts I have read, that people understand the issues and enormity of the task. No one is taking this lightly. You are making points that are factually incorrect. IMO discussion has been good and balanced. Better than most

As for my POV on agendas. If you not interested then don't read them. Not hard

 

[Blue4Life]

Wow it’s past 12 and he is still the coach…

 

[Coops93]

I don't exactly know if an overhaul on everything is needed. Looking past he hysteria of the W/L record there is a lot of green.

The main on for me, is that (prior to this round, not sure of the stat now) we are top 3 in total time lead in the season. That's remarkable given how despondend things seem to be. When things click and things go right, they go really, really right for us. Issue is, conversely, when they go wrong, they tend to go equally as wrong - and when the wrong happens is costs us the wing.

I don't think we need an overhaul to fix the 20% that costs us games, and I think that's why there is discussion, instead of death riding, around Voss' position. We aren't a million miles away but something, the same thing, keeps breaking. So whether the fix to that break is sacking Voss, or backing him in and getting some premiership pedigree in the coaching ranks around him. If that is the solution, then Voss' will have to shift on some of his priorities (ala contest and defence, contest and defence, contest and defence) and modernise his approach and KPIs. Whether he's amenable to that though could be the big key to his survival.

 

[Coops93]

One thing I didn't like, though, was at 3qtr time when he was giving the midfielders a bake the biggest one was for Binns. I didn't like that.

Yes hold him accountable, absolutely, but he's not the one failing the midfield. When you have Cripps, Hewett, Cerra standing there also failing to get the job done, what does watching the 5 gamer get baked do? Does that really setting the standard?

I'd have had more respect for that move if he'd got stuck into the "senior leaders" instead of the young kid. Felt like a weak move to me to primarily focus most on the kid when the seniors were just as bad. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Stamos]

If we sack him, that'll be 5 coaches in 10 years and we're probably in a worse position now than back then. Surely it's time we learnt from some other clubs (Richmond and Geelong) and tried that pathway before just the typical kneejerk Carlton response.

Unless you’re counting caretakers, then it will be 4 coaches in 10 years, not 5.

And if he does gat sacked, then it is not a knee jerk decision. 12 months ago we were 2nd on the ladder and primed for a flag. It has been an utter disaster since then, and he had a whole preseason to turn things around. Instead we got demonstrably worse.

If Wright makes the call to sack him, I will be completely comfortable with the decision.

 

[jj1978]

One thing I didn't like, though, was at 3qtr time when he was giving the midfielders a bake the biggest one was for Binns. I didn't like that.

Yes hold him accountable, absolutely, but he's not the one failing the midfield. When you have Cripps, Hewett, Cerra standing there also failing to get the job done, what does watching the 5 gamer get baked do? Does that really setting the standard?

I'd have had more respect for that move if he'd got stuck into the "senior leaders" instead of the young kid. Felt like a weak move to me to primarily focus most on the kid when the seniors were just as bad. But maybe that's just me.

My opinion on Voss is well stated, but not having seen the entire footage and whole 3 quarter time huddle was that just one snippet? Without knowing comms/bakes he may have already given individuals on the phone or prior and post that snippet.

 

[RAPPA]

One thing I didn't like, though, was at 3qtr time when he was giving the midfielders a bake the biggest one was for Binns. I didn't like that.

Yes hold him accountable, absolutely, but he's not the one failing the midfield. When you have Cripps, Hewett, Cerra standing there also failing to get the job done, what does watching the 5 gamer get baked do? Does that really setting the standard?

I'd have had more respect for that move if he'd got stuck into the "senior leaders" instead of the young kid. Felt like a weak move to me to primarily focus most on the kid when the seniors were just as bad. But maybe that's just me.

It was low hanging fruit for Binns to be targeted out a group that was visibly poor across all lines.

Rather than taking aim at the kid with less than 10 games, they should reflect on which players are the kids getting their standards from? Therein lies another issue we have - lack of accountability of our so-called A graders

 

[kreuze_missile]

We need a rebuild

We need changes, many of them, but I don't believe in the draft as an avenue to win premierships.

So as long as this rebuild is oriented around trades, rather than gambling on draft picks, I'm all for it.