Coach Michael Voss - Stats, history, articles, videos

[jackn]

Surely it's time we learnt from some other clubs (Richmond and Geelong) and tried that pathway before just the typical kneejerk Carlton response.

Richmond sacked a lot more coaches than we did. You're just imagining Voss is the Hardwick when he's proven more comparable to a northey, gieschen or Frawley.

 

[BlueTongue]

Great player but has never ben a good captain. Obliged, compelled, coerced whatever the reason. Don't respond like that.

If that is how he genuinely feels then far greater issues on our hands. Yet clearly cannot be. The forking guy has bent over for this club and must be frustrated as anyone is allowed to be. He needs to be relieved of the captaincy.

Have Been calling it on here for years and this does not take away anything from him and the amazing servant he has been. But is not captain material and never has been. A captain can't just physically lead by footballing example and not be able to articulate beyond that.

He is not a natural captain. Was thrust into the role to sell blind hope to supporters at our lowest ebb and the club has never had enough strength of conviction to relieve him of it and let him do what he does best.

He is a simple footballer. When unshackled dominates. When feels he has the weight of the club on his shoulders capitulates and tries to be a superhero to the detriment of himself and the team.

Tom Harley for Eg was a limited player amongst that list but exceptional captain. Give it to JSOS, Hewitt, Newman? Dunno, going through that little off the cuff exercise, we are bereft of genuine leadership in terms of captain & leadership group to empower the rest on the list......
Hope Charlie rode his bike past Dymocks on the way to the ground and bought a copy of "The Australian Leadership Paradox"
Excuse facetious dig but FMD.

Great Post and I wholeheartedly agree.
Love Crippa but he continually tries to do it all himself and doesn't appear to know how to get the young blokes playing for him/the coach/the jumper.

JSOS is really the only option I see as Captain material (I think Walsh would be a lot like Crippa and try to do it all himself) other than Weiters, but Weiters appears a bit too sooky at times for my likes.

 

[JustaBattler]

You're right, I dont have another 30 years up my sleeve to wait on another premiership

Like it would change your life eh?

 

[gab213]

Like it would change your life eh?

I think it'd be nice for sure, seeing 8 premierships by the time I was 34 made me feel a lot happier during footy season

If you're going to follow a team it's always better to watch a successful team. It's not life or death but of course I want to see my team winning.

 

[Stamos]

Clearances down, but this key stat is driving Blues and Cats

Nathan Schmook looks at the overriding stat that has been crucial to teams' ultimate success over the past decade

www.afl.com.au

The stat that has produced 17 of the last 18 premiers and the three teams leading the way in 2024

It is based on the points differential from turnover.

www.sen.com.au

So the question for me, is what changed?

Personnel?
Teams worked us out and we have not evolved.
We have reverted back to contest game of 2023, but lost something along the way?

Also suggests Voss, can change the way we play. Maybe they got preseason wrong with over emphasis of short kicking game.

Several factors.
The mental part is huge. It is a long time since we’ve been mentally strong. The club culture is weak. We got ahead of ourselves. The coach/es first (see the selection shenanigans in rounds 17 and 18, 3 weeks before we would have qualified for the finals), and then the players. Trust and confidence were broken.
And because our systems are weak, we were particularly affected by this.

And because our systems are weak, when we work to address one area, we completely lose it in another area where we were previously good.
Ie worked on transition for 24, became poor at defending stoppage.
25 worked more on defence, completely lost inside 50 efficiency (from1st to 18th!).

Personnel certainly plays a part.
Very little fitness or continuity from any of the forwards.

 

[SurreyBlue]

You're right, I dont have another 30 years up my sleeve to wait on another premiership

I'm worried I don't have 10 years left. I just want to try and enjoy one with my kids, but alas - I don't think that is possible now. Hopefully in maybe 30 years my kids might enjoy something, if they are still as passionate then. I have no doubt my grand kids won't be CFC supporters though.

 

[Stamos]

Hun

https://archive.md/g1RNB

 

[Accidental genius]

Hun

https://archive.md/g1RNB

Well structured article and a good summary of where things are at and the different options that lay ahead.

In terms of options presented for a new HCoach I think Hickmott would be a good fit.

Horse as a previous coach is an obvious and excellent replacement but it’s not clear if he’s interested or got the fire in the belly

Skipworth ? Not sure. I don’t know anything about him and it’s tge first time I’ve seen a photo of him in this article. He doesn’t have the “look” of a coach…comes across too jovial/laughing type …

Too many in the ‘got interviews but unsuccessful’ types on thst list…the usual

GIANSIRACUSA Harvey etc​

 

[RPCB]

Is that before or after the fortnightly Patrick Cripps, “We must do better. It’s on us.” statement?

Current HUN article. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/7eb483d2cd4654f91953a44d8deed468



The media training is strong with this one.

**** sake it’s all so predictable.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Hanson?

Isn’t he part of our problem.

How does that change anything?

We’re likely to find the “Hanson Hole” & sink even lower.

Yuk no thanks.

If we are cutting Voss before season's end then give Power the opportunity.
I'd prefer to wait until end of season, unless things decline further.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Just have to play our way and focus on winning all the contests.

 

[Coona Blues]

Hun

https://archive.md/g1RNB

Nice state of the nation article.

I refer back to when Voss was appointed. I was not excited, as he was not the right type. He was the Carlton board type, we must have a larger than life public figure. Conversely, I believed he could bring us success. Our list is among the best in the competition. Our top end is POTENTIALLY the best in the game. That group has been reprogrammed for the worst.

I believed a half decent coach would bring us a flag. Instead we got a bloke, and seemingly a group of assistants who did not have any sustainable analytical skills among them. They are old fashioned task masters, or worse fan boys who want to fall back on individual stars as opposed to system to get their job done.

I am not close enough to assess the relative merits of the group, but lean towards Skipworth and Hickmott as front runners. I feel the prerequisite has to be as prominent parts of a successful regime.

Skipworth presides over a very effective Collingwood midfield which has had the scope to both integrate new pieces, some from left field as well as harnessing the talents of veterans and prolonging their careers. Given the nature of our list, these are very attractive elements to me. Wright is in an excellent position to assess him as he saw his initial, formative years at the Magpies.

Hickmott, one of our own, has come from left field. Long time successful West Coast assistant to ideas man at Hawthorn. Mitchell is perhaps the highest rated young coach an played under Hicky at West Coast for a year before seeking him out as an assistant. Glowing endorsement. Fits the successful profile as hard working battler who dragged the best out of himself as a player as opposed to the star player who skipped some levels rather than clawing his way up.

We mostly need a team player who can put together a very switched on group of coaches with the scope to either facilitate some significant turn around in game style tenets or even strip it back and totally reset the group. We have enough young players coming through to do this if our leaders embrace the journey and buy in.

I am ultra impressed by the intellect of Adam Simpson, which from their spot on 360, I see as above Longmire. I think Longmire is a values type who may not be an agent of change without butting heads and significant collateral damage. We need a thinker and a psychologically strong mentor.

Simpson has a working relationship with Hickmott and I wonder how he would work as a mentor. I am not advocating a full time role. A role similar to Craig with Bolton in bygone years interests me. I am reticent to offer Simpson as a coaching candidate given the demise of the Eagles on his watch (mostly due to list management). Simpson and family are entrenched in the west, but a day or two a week after a heavy presence during a pivotal preseason could be critical. Assistants would be another critical appointment, they should include plenty of recent retirees such as Cal Ward, but absolutely have a taskmaster who is tasked with “revising” the skills of the players among the group.

 

[Pixelshooter]

I am ultra impressed by the intellect of Adam Simpson, which from their spot on 360, I see as above Longmire. I think Longmire is a values type who may not be an agent of change without butting heads and significant collateral damage. We need a thinker and a psychologically strong mentor.

Simpson sounds fine and his game analysis is good on radio...but when you analyse West Coast post their 2018 Flag, they were a directionless rabble of a club.

 

[reubsblues]

Been listening to Fagan in the media lately and with the way he says he wants to come home to Melbourne to be around his daughters and grandkids and play a mentor role if I were Carlton I'd be looking at appointing one of (best candidate) Hickmont, Skipworth, Giansiracusa caracella, lappin,
And getting Fagan to play the senior mentor role that would be perfect for our club and needs in my opinion

 

[Juddernaut08]

Been listening to Fagan in the media lately and with the way he says he wants to come home to Melbourne to be around his daughters and grandkids and play a mentor role if I were Carlton I'd be looking at appointing one of (best candidate) Hickmont, Skipworth, Giansiracusa caracella, lappin,
And getting Fagan to play the senior mentor role that would be perfect for our club and needs in my opinion

yup!

but don't stop there

one of the mistakes where we failed Voss was not getting better assistants. we need to pay up and get in the top-rated assistants. build a strong team, rather than thinking a single coach + mentor is enough.

our assistants are stale (eg Tim Clarke) and by the evidence, aren't leading edge minds.

I'd be wanting:

Voss --> Hick/Ski/Gian/Caracella/Lappin
Hansen --> Fages
Clarke --> Hick/Ski/Gian/Caracella/Lappin
Russell --> Hick/Ski/Gian/Caracella/Lappin

Backline and development seems pretty good so Hamill and Power should remain.

 

[marcmurphy3]

It'll be interesting what happens with Hansen. Considered one of the brightest young assistants in the AFL. You'd think there is close to 0 chance both him and Voss stay. One will need to be turned over.

Some are saying we should keep Voss and dump all our assistants but does dumping Hansen and keeping Voss really make our coaching department better?

 

[JustaBattler]

I think it'd be nice for sure, seeing 8 premierships by the time I was 34 made me feel a lot happier during footy season

If you're going to follow a team it's always better to watch a successful team. It's not life or death but of course I want to see my team winning.

A win is better than a loss that's for sure. However since Ive only ever been interested in AFL for the last 20 years - Ive only known Carlton to b e at best a middling team - and that is an achievement for the Club - making finals and even a prelim has been the highlight - the lowlight has been the awful injury toll and the unfulfilled promise of so many players at Carlton - and now we can add mental issues on top.

Maybe a new regime and new coaching panel will fix things - that's a marketing message 100,000 supporters can get behind.

 

[jj1978]

It'll be interesting what happens with Hansen. Considered one of the brightest young assistants in the AFL. You'd think there is close to 0 chance both him and Voss stay. One will need to be turned over.

Some are saying we should keep Voss and dump all our assistants but does dumping Hansen and keeping Voss really make our coaching department better?

I think Hansen will leave regardless.. his resume will show he's been under Voss and Carlton for the last 4 years and that's not something that will give him a leg up to get a senior role. He'll probably end up at the Pies/Hawks/Geelong

 

[JustaBattler]

Duffield: Carlton's list is the issue, not the coach

So is Voss the problem? Or is Carlton the problem. Is the Blues list the problem.

sen.com.au

 

[Accidental genius]

Just have to play our way and focus on winning all the contests.

And go after it

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Assuming either Vossey goes or Hickmott is employed, the heat is on the "who" are supporting them:

A perfect world=
Head Coach A Hickmott

1st Assistant- Enright/Hickmott (if Voss sees out contract)
Director of Strategy J Roughead
Dev/VFL *L Power
Mids J Corey
Def K Simpson
For *A Hamil
Ruck *M Kreuzer
Coaching Mentor B Ratten (big call but he IS Carlton through and through and has significant coaching experience)

* Coaches worth keeping, and in more logical stations

 

[The Great Ian]

Disposal efficiency standards are nowhere near where they should be.

Development coaches have clearly failed.

 

[Coona Blues]

Disposal efficiency standards are nowhere near where they should be.

Development coaches have clearly failed.

Yeah, nah.

With the exception of the Campos, our kids have very good footskills. It is sad to look at such talented players as Ben and Lucas with a dad, who was a great kick and highly regarded as a coach. Would love to know if he was maybe too busy to mentor the boys? May have made an effort not to impose himself on the lad’s coaches?

Look at the older boys who have “lost” their connection. I actually think our development has shown a big jump in the last couple of years. Not sure if can be attributed to Power who has been around for a while but now is VFL coach first and foremost, or perhaps some other recent hires in the development field.

 

[Gointocarlton]

our kids have very good footskills.

Ok, Im waiting ....

 

[SBYM]

Duffield: Carlton's list is the issue, not the coach

So is Voss the problem? Or is Carlton the problem. Is the Blues list the problem.

sen.com.au

My thoughts on the matter, from the other side of the world admittedly, are pretty simple...

Too many on the list are just...meh...

And even those that have a ceiling of being just an ordinary league footballer (absolutely nothing wrong with this) are not consistent enough to be considered ordinary, nor are they playing a role in a team that makes the most of their ordinariness. Ned Long is a recent stand out in this regard. Considered for a long time to be an ordinary player by every discerning eye in the land, he is now doing what he needs to do in the best team in the league.

Where are our Ned Longs?