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[Osc1]

Dont know if anyone caught Daniel Hoyne on SEN tonight. Talking about teams one at a time, start with Carlton and he said
that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
The defence rests your honour.

Some need it spelt out unfortunately.

 

[Kruezing]

Dont know if anyone caught Daniel Hoyne on SEN tonight. Talking about teams one at a time, start with Carlton and he said
that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
The defence rests your honour.

What changed skill wise from pre the GWS game last season and since then ?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Player talent issue. Been saying it for years.

Whenever we've had our full suite of kickers we've had no issues moving the ball.

This year we've got...

Newman out for the year
Elijah only played a handful of games
Cottrell similar
Charlie underdone and out of form
Harry in and out
Boyd wasting away in the twos
Walsh fallen off a cliff

Other than McGovern and Williams who are inconsistent at best every one of our decent/good ball users have been out or well off their best.

Other teams simply have far more depth in this area so when they lose a few ball users it rarely impacts as much as it does for us.

 

[Gointocarlton]

What changed skill wise from pre the GWS game last season and since then ?

One style requires less skill than the other.

 

[blue healer]

One style requires less skill than the other.

We looked pretty damned skilled last year, right up until quarter time in round 17.

 

[Garters]

my three criticisms of Voss are

1. In what world does getting rid of a player like Kennendy improve the list - compared to other alternatives just for starters; what did this say abotu real player management competency?
and
2. more importantly- you have failed to mongrelise the team - see piss weak performances

and

3. actually cultivated /participated in a culture where DH statements and culture RUBBISH from Cripps who demarcates team members as 'stars' and the rest ;

OR another example and Harry Mckay preseason statement- "it doesn't matter if we don't in a flag this year"...

these are real insights into the actual team/club culture that dont really line up with good player management...maybe player management is confined to 'stars' - maybe stars a re happy and not everyone else? maybe the underperforming fake stars are Voss's real fail - because the nature of the games played seems a lack of team play - it is obvious when one watches that play is more about individual performance as opposed to a whole of team game style...

I have concluded that I dont like what I have seen - and that is ignoring W/L tbh - it is the manner and nature of team performance that is a serious negative.

Time to clean shop -and part of that might be choosing which 'stars' are actually long term investments in being part of a champion team - and which stars are just irrelevant to that or negative influences.

I have a very different view as to who is a real leader atteh Club as far as players are concerned and who arent. We seem to have devolved back to a split player group back to the chosen ones nonsense.

If a coach cant make a team play as a team nd teh team play for each other for 4 quarters - then they arent a good coach and the team isn't a team.


I suspect both coach and certain fake leaders can go....it is a very tough situation for the Club to be in.

Good post. Nail meet my friend Hammer.

 

[Accidental genius]

What changed skill wise from pre the GWS game last season and since then ?

Yeap good question.

In that game we blitzed first half or there abouts and fell away

Similar to many other games since then.

 

[I bleed Blue]

We looked pretty damned skilled last year, right up until quarter time in round 17.

Yep. Looked like someone hit the light switch and just turned it off.

We've been fumbling round in the dark ever since. Trying to find the switch to turn it back on.

 

[I bleed Blue]

 

[DangerousD]

Dont know if anyone caught Daniel Hoyne on SEN tonight. Talking about teams one at a time, start with Carlton and he said
that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
The defence rests your honour.

Could be worth noting what the term, fastest ball movement means. They have been banging on about it the past few weeks and its a new stat they have come up with, so whilst it might sound flash, it doesnt mean much.

For defence, according to this stat, Collingwood were one of the slowest ball movement teams.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Could be worth noting what the term, fastest ball movement means. They have been banging on about it the past few weeks and its a new stat they have come up with, so whilst it might sound flash, it doesnt mean much.

For defence, according to this stat, Collingwood were one of the slowest ball movement teams.

It’s another useless stat, doesn’t line up with any eye test for me, live or not…

 

[Gointocarlton]

Could be worth noting what the term, fastest ball movement means. They have been banging on about it the past few weeks and its a new stat they have come up with, so whilst it might sound flash, it doesnt mean much.

For defence, according to this stat, Collingwood were one of the slowest ball movement teams.

AFL’s newest and most important stat: Speed of Ball explained, and every club ranked 1 to 18

Truth in Pies shock as AFL’s fastest... and slowest teams revealed: Every club ranked 1-18

www.foxsports.com.au

My point is that criticism of Voss is based on what I believe is a myth that we dont play a modern style. We do but the players aren't up to it from an execution point of view.
Couple with the fact that we cant score to save ourselves, it's killing us. Some of the easy shots at goal missed v Port were diabolical.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

AFL’s newest and most important stat: Speed of Ball explained, and every club ranked 1 to 18

Truth in Pies shock as AFL’s fastest... and slowest teams revealed: Every club ranked 1-18

www.foxsports.com.au

My point is that criticism of Voss is based on what I believe is a myth that we dont play a modern style. We do but the players aren't up to it from an execution point of view.
Couple with the fact that we cant score to save ourselves, it's killing us. Some of the easy shots at goal missed v Port were diabolical.

Yep, I think our first 4 shots Vs Port totalled 2 points and 2 out of bounds on the full.
One of those was a fourth year small forward running 30 metres horizontally to goals that bellied the ball on his right because he doesn’t have a left foot.
A small forward that can’t use either foot, doesn’t have express pace, isn’t a threat in the air, isn’t elite defensively and doesn’t have elite endurance……..
That just about exemplifies our skill level.

 

[Garters]

Yep, I think our first 4 shots Vs Port totalled 2 points and 2 out of bounds on the full.
One of those was a fourth year small forward running 30 metres horizontally to goals that bellied the ball on his right because he doesn’t have a left foot.
A small forward that can’t use either foot, doesn’t have express pace, isn’t a threat in the air, isn’t elite defensively and doesn’t have elite endurance……..
That just about exemplifies our skill level.

We should have been 24 points to zero 10 minutes into that game. You execute correctly then momentum and score board pressure takes over. You miss those 4. It crushes momentum creates self doubt and Port realise quickly we've got this. And the rest played out as expected.

 

[Pixelshooter]

Could be worth noting what the term, fastest ball movement means. They have been banging on about it the past few weeks and its a new stat they have come up with, so whilst it might sound flash, it doesnt mean much.

For defence, according to this stat, Collingwood were one of the slowest ball movement teams.

Exactly. You could quite easily make the assumption that quick ball movement is just a sign of panic.

Hoyne can make some interesting observations, but I'd be very wary of placing too much importance on some of the stats Champion Data comes up with.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

We should have been 24 points to zero 10 minutes into that game. You execute correctly then momentum and score board pressure takes over. You miss those 4. It crushes momentum creates self doubt and Port realise quickly we've got this. And the rest played out as expected.

Same against Norf, should have been 4 goals in front at quarter time...

 

[95blues]

Yep, I think our first 4 shots Vs Port totalled 2 points and 2 out of bounds on the full.
One of those was a fourth year small forward running 30 metres horizontally to goals that bellied the ball on his right because he doesn’t have a left foot.
A small forward that can’t use either foot, doesn’t have express pace, isn’t a threat in the air, isn’t elite defensively and doesn’t have elite endurance……..
That just about exemplifies our skill level.

But a better structure/would have had Motts running onto his right with a slow ruckman chasing him and he would have been happier and thus kicked the goal.

 

[Soapy V]

Dont know if anyone caught Daniel Hoyne on SEN tonight. Talking about teams one at a time, start with Carlton and he said
that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
The defence rests your honour.

Changing things so dramatically up for one week and expecting success is crazy. A major change in game style takes weeks of drilling and practice

Not to mention that fact that when you turn up with no pressure and just play individual football that stats are irrelevant

I wouldn't read anything more into a game like that other than the players were cooked and didn't care

 

[Beyond Blue]

Changing things so dramatically up for one week and expecting success is crazy. A major change in game style takes weeks of drilling and practice

Not to mention that fact that when you turn up with no pressure and just play individual football that stats are irrelevant

I wouldn't read anything more into a game like that other than the players were cooked and didn't care

Same as making multiple personnel one week to the next which is what a lot of people here, you included, have been asking for. Once again you have a foot in both camps with your view. It’s easy to be right when you do that.

 

[Soapy V]

We looked pretty damned skilled last year, right up until quarter time in round 17.

Exactly. Look at bigger picture and not one game or even two

 

[Soapy V]

Same as making multiple personnel one week to the next which is what a lot of people here, you included, have been asking for. Once again you have a foot in both camps with your view. It’s easy to be right when you do that.

Really? show me where. I am against major changes week to week. This week alone I have posted numerous times how I don't want players promoted

Again, you are trolling and have turned a simple discussion and debate into a personal attack, and for what reason? To make yourself feel better?

99% of people on here can debate and discuss, have very different points of view and it's great. Then there are people like yourself

I'm seriously not interested

 

[jj1978]

Same as making multiple personnel one week to the next which is what a lot of people here, you included, have been asking for. Once again you have a foot in both camps with your view. It’s easy to be right when you do that.

Well we have been training for years under Voss "the next man up" strategy. So in theory next man up should know their role and what to do (but quite frankly even first choice best 23 look confused).

 

[Soapy V]

My point is that criticism of Voss is based on what I believe is a myth that we dont play a modern style. We do but the players aren't up to it from an execution point of view.
Couple with the fact that we cant score to save ourselves, it's killing us. Some of the easy shots at goal missed v Port were diabolical.

Modern game is run and support, overlap, creating width, space and run and defensively blocking up space. The best sides are drilled on where to run and deliver the ball. Pies and Lions are masters of it

Go watch them live and it's like watching a chess match. Everyone knows where to go and when

As Voss has admitted numerous times we focus on defence and contest. That is our game style.

It is chalk and cheese

 

[Beyond Blue]

Well we have been training for years under Voss "the next man up" strategy. So in theory next man up should know their role and what to do (but quite frankly even first choice best 23 look confused).

I still think it’s a list issue. Next man up was ok when we had bloke who were physically mature enough to come in, but as many have pointed out we have lost a lot that ready made depth letting go of guys like Dow, Fisher, Setters, Kennedy, Stocker, LOB, Owies, Honey, Newnes etc (even the oft injured quartet of Philp Martin, Cunners, Marchbank) and replaced them with the likes of Campo twins, Wilson, Lemney, Moir, Smith White, Young, HOK, HOF, Lord, Ollie, Binns, Cowan etc…so we’ve lost the “next man up” flexibility we had in 2022 and even 2023.

 

[Soapy V]

Well we have been training for years under Voss "the next man up" strategy. So in theory next man up should know their role and what to do (but quite frankly even first choice best 23 look confused).

That's what happens in good sides even down to the youngest player