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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21709008-23211,00.html

Critics stick lance into Tigers

By Mick Malthouse
Collingwwood coach
May 11, 2007
I AM not here to defend Terry Wallace. The Richmond coach has been around long enough to know that when you lose games and cop a dreadful flogging, the knives come out.
Terry's got a thick skin and enough self-confidence and experience to get through this tough period. So has his football manager Greg Miller, who has been around the traps for many years.
What's uncalled for is the criticism of Richmond's recruitment, most of which has focused on the selection of Richard Tambling in the 2004 national draft.
This sort of criticism is both uneducated and extremely unfair, especially on young Tambling.
First some history.
In 2004, the Tigers chose Brett Deledio with their first pick, then Hawthorn selected Jarryd Roughead. The Western Bulldogs took Ryan Griffin with their third pick, then the Tigers opted for Tambling. The Hawks scooped up Lance Franklin at No.5.
Now some of us still remember how many wise footy people were astonished that Tambling had been available at No.4. The Tigers were thought to have pulled off a coup, and I still don't think Tambling has done anything wrong in the early stages of his AFL career.
At 20, he's still young and like most indigenous boys brought down from the Northern Territory will take some time to settle. It's less than a fortnight since Tambling kicked four goals in a quarter against West Coast, so the kid can play. I think sensible people at Richmond would be happy with his progress.
But when those knives come out, common sense rarely prevails. People are starting to compare Tambling to Franklin, who has had a terrific start to 2007, and putting one and one together to make three. We are meant to think Richmond has "failed" because it took Tambling when it might have had Franklin.
By that logic, I guess the Hawks were at fault, too, for choosing Roughead before Franklin. And while Griffin is a terrific player, perhaps the so-called experts might also judge the Dogs had erred by snubbing Lance.
This is a rubbish argument, based entirely on hindsight.
Let me say I'm delighted Franklin is doing so well for the Hawks. I still remember being criticised for including Lance in my All-Australian team last year. Some people thought I was deluded. If this season stopped at round six he would be one of the first picked.
But how Lance Franklin performs has no relevance to Richmond's recruiting prowess. The draft process is one giant gamble. Every club can compile evidence to show how clever and prescient it has been by spotting players others have rejected.
At the same time, every club can produce a list of potential champions it missed in the annual lottery.
Last week, Collingwood played Adelaide and as part of my weekly ritual I went through the pedigree of every player in the opposition side. By my estimation, the Crows fielded seven ex-rookies and we had five.

That's a dozen players who in the early stage of their careers were not deemed good enough to make the national draft.
When Collingwood plays Carlton tomorrow, we will be led by Ben Johnson, filling in for injured captain Nathan Buckley and deputy James Clement. Ben came to the Magpies as draft pick 63, which means all clubs, including ours, overlooked him several times. Tarkyn Lockyer, probably our best player this year, came up from the rookies list.
You occasionally hear similar criticism of Hawthorn and St Kilda for "missing" Chris Judd in 2001. Now Judd is shaping as one of the all-time greats, but Luke Hodge and Luke Ball are both terrific players, making an impact at the elite level. Ball is a captain, Hodge a future skipper. Did the Hawks and Saints make a mistake in 2001? Of course not.
I could pretend to be some sort of genius at the Eagles where we grabbed Brett Heady at 92 and Dean Kemp at 117 in 1989. Or you could paint me and every other person as a dunce for missing James Hird, who went to Essendon at 79 the next year. It's only a few years since Aaron Davey slipped into Melbourne via the backdoor.
You need daring and luck under the draft system and it's nigh impossible to know how a raw teenager will take to the pressures of AFL. Even the smartest people in the recruiting game are making educated guesses. We should leave Tambling to get on with his promising career and lay off Wallace for so-called recruiting errors.
 
Simple answer to those that do criticise us picking tambling ahead of Franklin, what would they be saying if the players were to swap clubs there is no guarantee that Franklin would have achieved the same at the Tigers. It is just another way for the ignorant to sink the boot into the Tigers. Noticed Dermie's article today in the HUN and pretty much all it did was praise the Hawks for their smart recruiting in 2004 while giving a little bit of credit to the Tigers for taking the 2 they did. Even went as far as to suggest they managed to bluff the Tigers into taking Richie.

The way I see it is Franklin is shining now and that is great for them but there is no certainty that he wont end up like a Allen Jakovich played brilliant footy early in his career and then got too full of himself and thought it would just happen. Hopefully in Buddy's case it wont and he is around for 200+ games but you just never know.
 

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Simple answer to those that do criticise us picking tambling ahead of Franklin, what would they be saying if the players were to swap clubs there is no guarantee that Franklin would have achieved the same at the Tigers. It is just another way for the ignorant to sink the boot into the Tigers. Noticed Dermie's article today in the HUN and pretty much all it did was praise the Hawks for their smart recruiting in 2004 while giving a little bit of credit to the Tigers for taking the 2 they did. Even went as far as to suggest they managed to bluff the Tigers into taking Richie.

The way I see it is Franklin is shining now and that is great for them but there is no certainty that he wont end up like a Allen Jakovich played brilliant footy early in his career and then got too full of himself and thought it would just happen. Hopefully in Buddy's case it wont and he is around for 200+ games but you just never know.


We would have richmondised franklin pretty damn quick to ensure he became a hack.
 
Good article and not just because it's a positive one for us.
Franklin is a gun. A star. Any buffoon with an ounce of footy knowledge can see it.
But as Malthouse pointed, Tambling kicked four goals in a quarter against the reigning premiers less than a fortnight ago. People forget quickly.
 
in hindsight - i think all three of those clubs would have taken Franklin with their first pick - as the hawks would have taken judd before hodge

i'm not critical of the pick up of tambling - it's the media pushing it along - if the dogs were 0-6 right now, they would be copping it about franklin also - as hawthorn would be coping it for taking roughead before griffen

fact isnone of those top 5 are bad players - all worth being in the top 5
 
Even went as far as to suggest they managed to bluff the Tigers into taking Richie.

My god all the Hawkers in the media really are getting cocky now. They seem to forget they overlooked Franklin with their first pick....lol this is starting to give me the shits. YOU DIDN'T PICK FRANKLIN WITH YOUR FIRST PICK YOU CRETINS.

Good I feel better now:cool:
 
Im more concerned about the senior structure that Tambling is going to be part of and has been part of so far. The Franklin comparison is over now its time to see if we can get our high picks to reach thier potential.

Cant help but think Deledio is being held back also with what players he has to learn from.
 
Malthouse has always had a good word for Richmond even as far back as his Eagles days.

Sheedy on the other hand, never.
 
My god all the Hawkers in the media really are getting cocky now. They seem to forget they overlooked Franklin with their first pick....lol this is starting to give me the shits. YOU DIDN'T PICK FRANKLIN WITH YOUR FIRST PICK YOU CRETINS.

Good I feel better now:cool:

actually, they did bluff as on their end.

richmond were keen on roughhead, but not franklin - richmond were concerned with his mental test results - his attitude was a little less footy orientated than the other top 5's.


so they took roughead, knowing fully well the dogs were sold on Griff, and we were not keen on Franklin. They did bluff us in that sense. Dermie explained it on SEN on tuesday
 

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That article should be posted on the bigfooty homepage to stop all the non-richmond supporters bombarding us with tambling v franklin posts
 
Been reading the last couple of weeks about all this tambling crap. People stop being so naive, the kid is only 20 years old and we have seen him do alot of special things, you can see alot more this year that he is backing himself and is getting his confidence up. Look at the collingwood and west coast games for example, once he puts it all together he will be an elite superstar. He just needs to work on his consistency and getting the ball more he will be fine. I still believe we made the right decision as he will be a match winner for us and he is slowly showing that. He has played alot better this year. I remember wallace and co stating that anything he does up to 22-23 is a massive bonus. Wallace and the team know much better than all of us how he is travelling, why you think he said he will be a superstar in the next year or tow.
Get of his back and start supporting the kid more, im sure that will help him out seeing how much his supporters are backing him.

Fcuk the media and all the crap with this buddy crap they will both turn out to be guns and leave it at that.
Im predicting we will beat Port Adelaide this week by 2-3 goals...mark my words.

Bling Bling
 
actually, they did bluff as on their end.

richmond were keen on roughhead, but not franklin - richmond were concerned with his mental test results - his attitude was a little less footy orientated than the other top 5's.


so they took roughead, knowing fully well the dogs were sold on Griff, and we were not keen on Franklin. They did bluff us in that sense. Dermie explained it on SEN on tuesday

Still doesn't change the fact that I dislike cocky Hawks:D
 

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This is the sort of stuff i like to hear. There were all sorts of concerns about Buddy's attitude at the time, which affected his selection in the relevant draft. If his assessment had been the same as the others, he would have been pick number 1 due to his potential, but clubs were concerned enough to put three players above him. Hindsight is great, but it doesn't help at the time when responsible decisions need to be made, and guys like Lids and Tambo were the safest selections according to many.
Congratulations to Malthouse for putting things into perspective. I just wish that this guy had come home when the opportunity came up, because he is still a RFC person despite his current job. But TW is the man now, and i fully support him.
 
This is the sort of stuff i like to hear. There were all sorts of concerns about Buddy's attitude at the time, which affected his selection in the relevant draft. If his assessment had been the same as the others, he would have been pick number 1 due to his potential, but clubs were concerned enough to put three players above him. Hindsight is great, but it doesn't help at the time when responsible decisions need to be made, and guys like Lids and Tambo were the safest selections according to many.
Congratulations to Malthouse for putting things into perspective. I just wish that this guy had come home when the opportunity came up, because he is still a RFC person despite his current job. But TW is the man now, and i fully support him.
... agreed

A lot of pundits had Tambling numero Uno

i love media f..kwits who manipulate "hindsight" to try and make themselves sound intelligent . It is so lame , but what is even lamer is the fact that 90% of joe public swallow it up .

LMAO @ Dermott and co. if the next time Buddy`s contract comes up says ariva derci ... then we`ll all say .... what a recruiting masterstroke to not touch him
 
Simple answer to those that do criticise us picking tambling ahead of Franklin, what would they be saying if the players were to swap clubs there is no guarantee that Franklin would have achieved the same at the Tigers.
He might have struggled to kick 9 goals last week if he was playing in our forward line against the cats. :o
actually, they did bluff as on their end.

richmond were keen on roughhead, but not franklin - richmond were concerned with his mental test results - his attitude was a little less footy orientated than the other top 5's.


so they took roughead, knowing fully well the dogs were sold on Griff, and we were not keen on Franklin. They did bluff us in that sense. Dermie explained it on SEN on tuesday
And Dermie wouldn't make it up would he. :rolleyes: Dermie's story would be more credible if they had got Franklin's name right at the draft when they called it out. The alternate theory which was much more widespread at the time was that they took Roughead first knowing he wouldn't fall through to them, and they were thinking we would go for a tall with our second pick and Tambling would fall through to them. And Miller said after the draft that Richmond had gotten wind a day or two before that the Hawks would take Roughead. Out of Dermie and Miller, its almost impossible to pick the biggest bullshitter, so who knows what the true story was.
 
let me say i for one wanted franklin over tambling. in saying that i was more than happy to get tambling. call me a fool but if i had a choice between judd and hodge i would take hodge for reasons that would take to long to explain. my criticism of wallace and miller has been and i think this applies to most critics of us taking tambling has been the lack of drafting with list structure in mind. we had 5 top 20 picks and used just 1 on a speculative ruckman it seems when we shouild have been building a spine.its this lack of looking after kpp and rucks that has us asking about the reasoning behind taking tambling. remember in 2004 we had no riewoldt or hughes and we were screaming out for a replacement for richo or understudy to him. a chf a chb or 2 and a fb or 2 and a couple of ruckmen to develop.imo we have ignored these areas to a large degree since wallace has been there. we have definately been reluctant to use early nd picks on kpd and ruckmen. you could also say we have only drafted hughes and riewoldt by luck.
 

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