Midfield targets.

[bodazoka]

I believe we will have a rather large hole in our team in three years time, and that hole is developing A grade talent. There are currently no players on our list capable of becoming A grade talent in the next 3 years. And 3 years is the current time frame excepted by most to be the maximum amount of time before our team is capable of challenging for a top 4 position.

We have Masten, Ebert, Shuey and Swift who are currently the only genuine (possible) A grade talent on our list. Those players will not hit there peak untill they are at least 24, for Masten and Ebert that is 4 years away for Shuey and Swift its 5. By that time Kerr, our only other recognized A grade talent will be 29 (or 30) and players like Cox, Glass, Hunter, Embley will be 31/32.

Hence I believe that its imperetive if we finish with a PP we go after a geniune gun midfielder around age 21/22/23 who will be able to take the load off Kerr and help bridge the gap between the old and new talent in our team. I think if we dont do this then a 3 year time line with Cox, Kerr, Glass playing for a top 4 spot is totally un achievable and a 5 year timeline excluding all of those players and more is the more likely outcome.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Kerr is not going to be traded, i think last year would have been the best time to trade him if we were at all. Obviously Carlton still want him, going on rattens comments.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Hence I believe that its imperetive if we finish with a PP we go after a geniune gun midfielder around age 21/22/23

How many players in the competition fit this description?

Are you talking about Joel Selwood and Mark Murphy?

Do you really think we're going to be able to trade for them?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

For me these are the kids to target at the top of the draft.

Tom Scully

Anthony Morabito*

Kane Lucas*

Jack Trengove*

Koby Stevens

Mitchell Duncan*

Bradley Sheppard

Ben Cunnington

Allen Christensen

Jordan Gysberts

Lewis Jetta*

These guys are all top 20 mids for my mind

Have * the one I would like at West Coast in particular.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

For me these are the kids to target at the top of the draft.

Tom Scully

Anthony Morabito*

Kane Lucas*

Jack Trengove*

Koby Stevens

Mitchell Duncan*

Bradley Sheppard

Ben Cunnington

Allen Christensen

Jordan Gysberts

Lewis Jetta*

These guys are all top 20 mids for my mind

Have * the one I would like at West Coast in particular.

Who would you say are the best five of those?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Who would you say are the best five of those?

I had them in order Gunnar, as listed.

Top 3 are on same level.

Morabito and Lucas very close Lucas kicking skills are the best in the draft, better than Scully and easily better than Morabito

Scully works the hardest and is very good inside and outside complete package.

Morabito is the quickest biggest and the best at run and carry.

Next 3 are very on par.

Koby, Jack and Mitchell very hard to seperate.

Then it drops away a little again.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I had them in order Gunnar, as listed.

Top 3 are on same level.

Morabito and Lucas very close Lucas kicking skills are the best in the draft, better than Scully and easily better than Morabito

Scully works the hardest and is very good inside and outside complete package.

Morabito is the quickest biggest and the best at run and carry.

Next 3 are very on par.

Koby, Jack and Mitchell very hard to seperate.

Then it drops away a little again.

Let's say we have picks 2 and 5.

Let's say Melbourne take Scully with pick 1.

Would Morabito and Lucas be a good result for us?

 

[bunsen burner]

I think Lucas is a must.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Let's say we have picks 2 and 5.

Let's say Melbourne take Scully with pick 1.

Would Morabito and Lucas be a good result for us?

That would be my dream pair Gunnar compliment our midfield greatly.

Both are player types we need.

I think Morabito will win next years rising star award, even if Naita is still available to win it.

He is ready to play AFL now with his body size and speed.

 

[paran]

A trade for J Selwood. We give them our top 2 picks and Schofield/Houlihan (I remeber them wanting one of them).

 

[Byron_Clanger]

trade Nicoski for Deledio

 

[larrikin]

I doubt we'll get the PP. I think we will win 2-3 more

We'll probably only get pick 4 or 5. Who'd be our most likely pick up if that came true?

 

[worsfold]

I believe we will have a rather large hole in our team in three years time, and that hole is developing A grade talent. There are currently no players on our list capable of becoming A grade talent in the next 3 years. And 3 years is the current time frame excepted by most to be the maximum amount of time before our team is capable of challenging for a top 4 position.

We have Masten, Ebert, Shuey and Swift who are currently the only genuine (possible) A grade talent on our list. Those players will not hit there peak untill they are at least 24, for Masten and Ebert that is 4 years away for Shuey and Swift its 5. By that time Kerr, our only other recognized A grade talent will be 29 (or 30) and players like Cox, Glass, Hunter, Embley will be 31/32.

Hence I believe that its imperetive if we finish with a PP we go after a geniune gun midfielder around age 21/22/23 who will be able to take the load off Kerr and help bridge the gap between the old and new talent in our team. I think if we dont do this then a 3 year time line with Cox, Kerr, Glass playing for a top 4 spot is totally un achievable and a 5 year timeline excluding all of those players and more is the more likely outcome.

We would need to be looking at those players on the fringe of the successful teams (geelong, st kilda, Dogs, hawks) getting frustrated like prismal last year. or players in the first 22 of clubs that don't have the money ie North,Melbourne and port.

some body like gary moss from hawks though he's had a few injuries.
Nathan Kouraker?
Liam anthony

 

[Lach72]

For me these are the kids to target at the top of the draft.

Tom Scully

Anthony Morabito*

Kane Lucas*

Jack Trengove*

Koby Stevens

Mitchell Duncan*

Bradley Sheppard

Ben Cunnington

Allen Christensen

Jordan Gysberts

Lewis Jetta*

These guys are all top 20 mids for my mind

Have * the one I would like at West Coast in particular.

Don't rate Hutching and Winmar?

 

[BOND 007]

Bod I agree with your post but I think West Coast's situation is very fluid and is dependent how many games they win.
1) Win <2 more games meaning picks 2, 4, 20-21 etc I think their 1st 2 picks will be youngsters with pick 20ish (being still valuable)offered for a player in the system. I cant see Selwood or Murphy shifting and Gary Moss isnt worth pick 20. Certainly Wells is an option with the other one they could and probably should target is Van Berlo - both being quality disposers of the ball.
2) If they win >2 games then they are not likely to trade away either of their 1st 2 picks - but may use a later pick for a Jetta or similar. IMO with this option they will still pick midfielders and look at pushing guys like Lecras and Hurn through the centre to give Kerr some body support. This means they are likely to keep McKinley who slots into Leccas spot.

Having watched their last few games - I have done a complete 180 on how I had hoped they would go for the rest of the year. I was previously of the opinion they would be best served by winning 6-7 games - however given their "talent" it seems very obvious they are best suited in not winning 2 more games.

 

[swingdog]

Who says we have to challenge in 3 years? Make it 5 years, load up on more youngsters in this draft and then challenge and hopefully dominate for 3 years.

Our last premiership players won't be around but that's the case for most clubs.

 

[bodazoka]

How many players in the competition fit this description?

Are you talking about Joel Selwood and Mark Murphy?

Do you really think we're going to be able to trade for them?

Unfortunately there a rare commodity at the moment, players like the ones mentioned above do fit the description though. We may be in a position at the end of this year to trade for players of that quality, Id assume that both those people would be off the table though unless something drastic happens.

If were talking about a 3 year time frame however it is possible that we could draft a player like the ones mentioned between now and then. And its not a major consideration for now, but if someone does become available in the next 2 years at least I would hope that we have a major crack at them.

We would need to be looking at those players on the fringe of the successful teams (geelong, st kilda, Dogs, hawks) getting frustrated like prismal last year. or players in the first 22 of clubs that don't have the money ie North,Melbourne and port.

some body like gary moss from hawks though he's had a few injuries.
Nathan Kouraker?
Liam anthony

Absolutely agree and this answers some of GL's post as well.

 

[bodazoka]

Who says we have to challenge in 3 years? Make it 5 years, load up on more youngsters in this draft and then challenge and hopefully dominate for 3 years.

Our last premiership players won't be around but that's the case for most clubs.

Who says that we have to sit back and wait that long?? I think we have enough young talent on the list now that we can afford to give up our second and mabye third draft pick to help our team reach finals earlier. Id hate to have to wait 5+ years when I think we can do something about it now... Look at Stinga and Chick, same sort of scenario.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Who says we have to challenge in 3 years? Make it 5 years, load up on more youngsters in this draft and then challenge and hopefully dominate for 3 years.

Our last premiership players won't be around but that's the case for most clubs.

That is exactly what I think we should do.

Delist or trade for upgrade picks and let the draft team do their thing, they have drafted very well in the last few drafts, especially the last draft.

 

[swingdog]

Sure but you have to be realistic about timeframes. If 2009 = 2001, then five years is what it took last time and that was with two of the best middieleers the game has ever seen.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Sure but you have to be realistic about timeframes. If 2009 = 2001, then five years is what it took last time and that was with two of the best middieleers the game has ever seen.

Thats what was for, I agree about five years before a GF is possible.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Unfortunately there a rare commodity at the moment, players like the ones mentioned above do fit the description though. We may be in a position at the end of this year to trade for players of that quality, Id assume that both those people would be off the table though unless something drastic happens.

If were talking about a 3 year time frame however it is possible that we could draft a player like the ones mentioned between now and then. And its not a major consideration for now, but if someone does become available in the next 2 years at least I would hope that we have a major crack at them.

This is pie in the sky stuff.

You acknowledge that there are hardly any players fitting the description to begin with, and those guys won't be going anywhere.