Missing 3 top 10 draftees...

[Roachy8]

Just sayin... on Sat we were missing:

Cotchin - #2 2007
Vickery - #8 2008
Conca - #6 2010

That's a fair bit of talent sitting in the stands.... good win wasn't it!

 

[tigs2010]

Melbourne were missing a truck load too. Some on other teams lists. And some playing VFL/Local footy.

But yes, was a good win. Luke Darcy would argue that we were missing 4 as Dylan was a National Draft pick #2 apparently.

 

[HeadandShin]

Gees I thought this was going to be a reference to 1999, 2004 and 2005. Phew.

A great win for the club with those 4 out. We would have struggled last year to cover them.

 

[Mr T]

We looked fluent this week again, like we did in the first three rounds. Its nice to see the boys playing a match on their terms.

 

[ohhhBigMalcho]

your right but a team shouldnt be rated around how many top 10 draft picks we are missing, Geelong have a handful of top draft picks in their team and have built around them with astute drafting through the later national and rookie drafts. We would surely have the most top 10 players of any team challenging for finals this year, its the bottom 5 players in your 22 that will get you there

 

[Tigers_fan24]

I look forward to a fully fit tiger midfield

cotchin, martin, lids, foley, tuck, conca, vlas, ellis, shedwards

not bad... hopefully it happens at least once this season

 

[sante]

I look forward to a fully fit tiger midfield

cotchin, martin, lids, foley, tuck, conca, vlas, ellis, shedwards

not bad... hopefully it happens at least once this season

They'll be ready for September

 

[NUFC Tiger]

It's good to see we've been nailing our first round draft picks these last few years and started to dispel the reputation of dud draft picks (thanks for Melbourne taking the mantle from us!). Our depth is getting stronger and we seem to be coping ok with injuries this year. Hopefully we've had our share of injuries for the year and we can start getting our best team on the park more often and playing together.

 

[Football Tragic]

All about development. Melbourne is learning this the hard way now. We learned it after the 04 draft when lids was the only player to come on. If you don't have the coaches and staff to educate the talent they fall away quickly. Wish we could have Tambling and Myers again as fresh faced recruits with our current resources - would be starring in our team now.

 

[Morro]

All about development. Melbourne is learning this the hard way now. We learned it after the 04 draft when lids was the only player to come on. If you don't have the coaches and staff to educate the talent they fall away quickly. Wish we could have Tambling and Myers again as fresh faced recruits with our current resources - would be starring in our team now.

Really interesting thought.

I wonder what could have been.

 

[Rayzorwire]

All about development. Melbourne is learning this the hard way now. We learned it after the 04 draft when lids was the only player to come on. If you don't have the coaches and staff to educate the talent they fall away quickly. Wish we could have Tambling and Myers again as fresh faced recruits with our current resources - would be starring in our team now.

Nah, it was treated as football wisdom for years to take on our Wallace era draftees and then their talent would finally shine at a club with a better development program.

Hasn't happened in one single case and they were almost all tried elsewhere.

Which to me, would suggest that not only did we do as good a job as humanly possible with such an under resourced football department, we also did a job that was as good as most other clubs would have done and have done with the exact same players, but with a head start over what we started with in terms of physique and other key factors.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Just sayin... on Sat we were missing:

Cotchin - #2 2007
Vickery - #8 2008
Conca - #6 2010

That's a fair bit of talent sitting in the stands.... good win wasn't it!

What about the ones Frawely and Wallace pissed away?

 

[1980GFVideo]

What about the ones Frawely and Wallace pissed away?

Tambling had to watch a nice chance to get in on the gravy over the weekend from the stands. Blew another chance with Sando the week before.

Fiora doesnt do any carpentry (after football vocation) on the weekends.

Danny Meyers might have taken the dog for a walk as it was a nice day.

 

[Rayzorwire]

What about the ones Frawely and Wallace pissed away?

Will you ever escape from this mid-90's mindset that coaches are responsible for draft choices?

We didn't give Greg Miller so much power then simultaneously give our coaches the right to make him completely insignificant on draft day, nor have we overruled our recruiters since as far as I'm aware.

It's like blaming the chef when the restaurant runs out of toilet paper.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Will you ever escape from this mid-90's mindset that coaches are responsible for draft choices?

We didn't give Greg Miller so much power then simultaneously give our coaches the right to make him completely insignificant on draft day, nor have we overruled our recruiters since as far as I'm aware.

It's like blaming the chef when the restaurant runs out of toilet paper.

Do you think Hird should be sacked for this mess at Essendon?

 

[theflea]

Will you ever escape from this mid-90's mindset that coaches are responsible for draft choices?

We didn't give Greg Miller so much power then simultaneously give our coaches the right to make him completely insignificant on draft day, nor have we overruled our recruiters since as far as I'm aware.

It's like blaming the chef when the restaurant runs out of toilet paper.

TW stated the other day he asked(i think greg beck) when the said they would take tambling at 4, as long as its the best player. He then said well we all know how that turned out!

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

TW stated the other day he asked(i think greg beck) when the said they would take tambling at 4, as long as its the best player. He then said well we all know how that turned out!

Was that when we only had 6 players on the list over 189cm's . Oh yeah I rember that .

 

[Rayzorwire]

Do you think Hird should be sacked for this mess at Essendon?

I think that I've reminded you far too many times already that asking new, completely off-topic and ridiculous questions after you've deliberately ignored the ones from the post you just quoted, equates to you having no manners and therefore, no right to a response beyond this.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I think that I've reminded you far too many times already that asking new, completely off-topic and ridiculous questions after you've deliberately ignored the ones from the post you just quoted, equates to you having no manners and therefore, no right to a response beyond this.

There is not one question in your post , my question is Do you think Hird should be sacked for this mess at Essendon ?

 

[TiggerMan22]

Nah, it was treated as football wisdom for years to take on our Wallace era draftees and then their talent would finally shine at a club with a better development program.

Hasn't happened in one single case and they were almost all tried elsewhere.

But they had already started with crap resources and coaching at Richmond. Look at Geelongs young players, low draft picks but every week they seem to bring in a new one who plays very well. Those same players go into Richmond i the wallace era and they wouldn't get a game and be axed after 2 seasons. Even if they moved to another club they are already low on confidence, possibly unfit, not as skilled or as developed as they should be.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Will you ever escape from this mid-90's mindset that coaches are responsible for draft choices?

We didn't give Greg Miller so much power then simultaneously give our coaches the right to make him completely insignificant on draft day, nor have we overruled our recruiters since as far as I'm aware.

It's like blaming the chef when the restaurant runs out of toilet paper.

For that analogy to work the toilet paper would need to be the ingredients of the food served.

The cook would be consulted for the type of toilet paper and the number of rolls he needs to deliver his cuisine.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Will you ever escape from this mid-90's mindset that coaches are responsible for draft choices?

We didn't give Greg Miller so much power then simultaneously give our coaches the right to make him completely insignificant on draft day, nor have we overruled our recruiters since as far as I'm aware.

It's like blaming the chef when the restaurant runs out of toilet paper.

I agree our football department as a whole is alot better since Wallace left .

 

[Rayzorwire]

There is not one question in your post...

Apart from the one with the question mark at the end?

But they had already started with crap resources and coaching at Richmond. Look at Geelongs young players, low draft picks but every week they seem to bring in a new one who plays very well. Those same players go into Richmond i the wallace era and they wouldn't get a game and be axed after 2 seasons. Even if they moved to another club they are already low on confidence, possibly unfit, not as skilled or as developed as they should be.

How did blokes taken very late in the draft or rookied like Foley, Tuck, Jackson and King manage to succeed so well in the exact same environment? King came from the Diamond Valley, you can't start much lower than that, then he was playing AFL and earning Brownlow votes a year later. Tuck went from the last listed to the best first year midfielder in the comp over one pre-season, giving Michael Voss a touch up in the process. They don't come much rawer than Jackson did, I reckon you would have been lucky to find 5% of supporters seeing any potential in him, Wallace played a key role in turning him into an AFL midfielder. Foley was seen as a too short, too slow, too unskilled VFL mid until Wallace got hold of him and had him playing State Football soon after.

Richo, Simmonds, Brown, Knobel and a heap of other 'established' players all played clearly the best football of their careers under Wallace at Richmond. A guy like Raines almost won a rising star. A player like Hyde was out-running and out-playing Geelong mids who would soon after be hailed as champions while Hyde got a fractured skull instead.

We've traded/given 'Wallace developed' players to the Saints in their prime, West Coast, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Port, Adelaide and Sydney.

Not one of those players has ever exceeded their performances at Richmond under Wallace.

So I don't think it's difficult at all to say that the 'failure' had far more to do with the drafting and those players themselves than any 'development problems' from that era. Forget about the number they were drafted at, it's irrelevant. Blokes like Pattison would be very lucky to be even rookied these days. At the 2004 draft, he was clearly one of the best of a piss-poor batch of players. We did the best that could be done with him.

Without the development done during the Wallace era, we'd currently be a rabble like Melbourne, possibly even with the same kind of tanking scandal hanging over our head.

Anyway, it's not the first time I've made these points and it is somewhat OT, so I'll leave it there.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Apart from the one with the question mark at the end?



How did blokes taken very late in the draft or rookied like Foley, Tuck, Jackson and King manage to succeed so well in the exact same environment? King came from the Diamond Valley, you can't start much lower than that, then he was playing AFL and earning Brownlow votes a year later. Tuck went from the last listed to the best first year midfielder in the comp over one pre-season, giving Michael Voss a touch up in the process. They don't come much rawer than Jackson did, I reckon you would have been lucky to find 5% of supporters seeing any potential in him, Wallace played a key role in turning him into an AFL midfielder. Foley was seen as a too short, too slow, too unskilled VFL mid until Wallace got hold of him and had him playing State Football soon after.

Richo, Simmonds, Brown, Knobel and a heap of other 'established' players all played clearly the best football of their careers under Wallace at Richmond. A guy like Raines almost won a rising star. A player like Hyde was out-running and out-playing Geelong mids who would soon after be hailed as champions while Hyde got a fractured skull instead.

We've traded/given 'Wallace developed' players to the Saints in their prime, West Coast, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Port, Adelaide and Sydney.

Not one of those players has ever exceeded their performances at Richmond under Wallace.

So I don't think it's difficult at all to say that the 'failure' had far more to do with the drafting and those players themselves than any 'development problems' from that era. Forget about the number they were drafted at, it's irrelevant. Blokes like Pattison would be very lucky to be even rookied these days. At the 2004 draft, he was clearly one of the best of a piss-poor batch of players. We did the best that could be done with him.

Without the development done during the Wallace era, we'd currently be a rabble like Melbourne, possibly even with the same kind of tanking scandal hanging over our head.

Anyway, it's not the first time I've made these points and it is somewhat OT, so I'll leave it there.

All the while this so called best football was being played we kept finishing last. Your too funny Razor Ray. And your question wasn't a question you know it.