Moore is not a KPP.

[Madtiger2006]

At 189cm and 84kg he's a back flanker. He's about 2cm taller than Polo and about the same weight. We must be using Thursty at FB and Rance at CHB with Mcguane being the other tall. Thursty had an interrupted preseason and was a bit underdone Round 1. He's a quality player and should be played at FB. Moore, Polo and Newman is more than enough small defenders. Why do we we even bother with King or Mcmahon? We swapped 1 apple turnover(Mcmahon) for another(King). We don't need any more small defenders. We desperately need to get rid of these 2 players who bring the whole defence down with poor decisions costing us goals. Honestly there's nothing wrong with a defence such as

FB Mcguane Thursfield Newman
HB Moore Rance Polo

but when you have a King or Mcmahon in there it falls apart and not having Thursty and relying on Moore to play as a KPP is asking for more trouble. Please don't bring in Mcmahon

 

[courtjester]

Moore spent a fair bit of time on Akermanis yesterday, then they moved King on to him and Aker kicked 2 or 3 goals and started to influence the game a lot more.

As much of a cult figure as King is, he is seriously undersized and his decisions are poor. A big part of the reason we lost yesterday was poor decisions coming out to the backline.

The guy we need in the back half for now is Deledio. He should be playing the Luke Hodge type role, delivering the ball from half back to half forward with some precision.

Rance looked solid yesterday. He has a good ability to gather a ball clean when he's pressured.

I'm not sure about McMahon. Is he able to play on a wing or at half forward where he wouldn't need to be accountable?

I'd be going for:

Newman McGaune Polo
Deledio Rance Moore

With Thursfield on the bench/ground depending on match-ups.

 

[DerpWerls]

At the moment, they are our 6 best backs. I can't understand why anyone else would get a game.

Just need them to generate a bit of run out of defence without being completely unaccountable for their opponent, as this is what Jordy brings to the team.

 

[Madtiger2006]

At the moment, they are our 6 best backs. I can't understand why anyone else would get a game.

Just need them to generate a bit of run out of defence without being completely unaccountable for their opponent, as this is what Jordy brings to the team.

King and Mcmahon shouldn't be in any afl team. They are not in our best 6.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Moore spent a fair bit of time on Akermanis yesterday, then they moved King on to him and Aker kicked 2 or 3 goals and started to influence the game a lot more.

As much of a cult figure as King is, he is seriously undersized and his decisions are poor. A big part of the reason we lost yesterday was poor decisions coming out to the backline.

The guy we need in the back half for now is Deledio. He should be playing the Luke Hodge type role, delivering the ball from half back to half forward with some precision.

Rance looked solid yesterday. He has a good ability to gather a ball clean when he's pressured.

I'm not sure about McMahon. Is he able to play on a wing or at half forward where he wouldn't need to be accountable?

I'd be going for:

Newman McGaune Polo
Deledio Rance Moore

With Thursfield on the bench/ground depending on match-ups.

That's a good 6 also. As long as we don't have King or Mcmahon we are going forward. Those 2 players can give away 3 goals in any game and no afl team should have to put up with that

 

[coke_zero]

thursfield should go back to taking the FF. but moore should go to who ever he suits best, whether thats a tall or small. polo showed he can play. didnt have the best game but still found the ball.

 

[DerpWerls]

Mt I meant the 6 you named are our best back 6

 

[Madtiger2006]

Mt I meant the 6 you named are our best back 6

oops sorry lol

 

[Goldust]

THURSFIELD is a must in the last line of defence!!!!
A must!!! Bring him back immediately!!!

 

[db26]

Moore is not the issue here I dont know why thats being brought up.
What the hell is Thursty doing in our reserves?? Has Terry got his favourites.He had one bad game in 2 seasons for us and has always been in our top 5 players and he drops him weake as water thats for me.While the other duds get game after game and kill us.Our backline was playing its best when Moore ,Mcguan and Thursty were together thats simple.You through in duds like king and Jordy they are going to make the rest look horrible.

 

[db26]

I read this today and toatally agree with it from OET.

The thing that worries me is that our guys dont seem to come on. Most high to med draft picks we draft show something but they just dont improve like the other teams do.

Example Edwards, when he first played we we all saying, wow this kid has something, he had skills and was smooth. We thught that a couple of preseasons and some gym work and we would have a player but no we dont. You could pick at least half a dozen like that in out team. Why??

 

[Goldust]

I read this today and toatally agree with it from OET.

The thing that worries me is that our guys dont seem to come on. Most high to med draft picks we draft show something but they just dont improve like the other teams do.

Example Edwards, when he first played we we all saying, wow this kid has something, he had skills and was smooth. We thught that a couple of preseasons and some gym work and we would have a player but no we dont. You could pick at least half a dozen like that in out team. Why??

I posted something about this n another thread - about our inability to develop players.
When you look at the list of players who have ended their careers or are still playing with a significant number of games to their credit, none have been drafted by us. I disregard Richo and Bowden - they were father-son picks that landed in our laps. Those from recent times - Johnson, Brown, Simmonds, Cousins, even Gaspar and Stafford were all trades.
The only guys we seem to have developed into 150 game plus payers are Tivendale and Chaffey and we know how maligned they are on here.
If I was to look at our current list, I would nominate Deledio, Cotchin and Riewoldt as the only certaintoes to play 150 to 200 games with us.
The bulk show promise and quickly lose it after a breakout season.
Puzzling and sad!!!

 

[inCOGnito]

I agree what is said with above. King should not be in the team, for someone that size he needs to have good skills and better still good decision making. I'm not knocking the guy because he has a crack, but at yesterdays game I cringed when he got the ball because I knew it was coming back twice as quick as it went out. Rance will be a very good player for us. We need players who can kick it down the centre of the ground and hit a target!

 

[bigstyletiger]

Turnover King cannot play again.
McMahon should be given a lengthy stint in the twos.

At the moment i would playing

Newman, Thursfield, Moore
Rance, McGuane, Polo

but when Cogs, Cotchin and Cousins come in I would consider trying Deledio on a back flank. I like to sit in the top stand of the G and the Dome so that i can see the tactics being used and the flow of the game and it's been pretty obvious through the first three rounds that where we are losing the game is our useage out of the back line. We constantly get bogged bringing it out of defence which generally causes a turnover or allows a side to pressure the ball carriers as we take it forward.

In some respects it may be a bit of a waste using Deledio in the backline but having him kicking and running it out of the backline will seriously improve our forward thrusts.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Turnover King cannot play again.
McMahon should be given a lengthy stint in the twos.

At the moment i would playing

Newman, Thursfield, Moore
Rance, McGuane, Polo

but when Cogs, Cotchin and Cousins come in I would consider trying Deledio on a back flank. I like to sit in the top stand of the G and the Dome so that i can see the tactics being used and the flow of the game and it's been pretty obvious through the first three rounds that where we are losing the game is our useage out of the back line. We constantly get bogged bringing it out of defence which generally causes a turnover or allows a side to pressure the ball carriers as we take it forward.

In some respects it may be a bit of a waste using Deledio in the backline but having him kicking and running it out of the backline will seriously improve our forward thrusts.

Exactly what i was thinking. When cogs, cuz, cotch are back, lids will be excellent off half back or up forward. Thursty, Mcguane and Rance are more than enough tell defenders. I'd really like to see Putt soon too as a forward and ruckman. I never seem to hear much about him but at 203cm and athletic how bad can he be at getting a hand to the ball at ball ups?

 

[folester41]

At 189cm and 84kg he's a back flanker. He's about 2cm taller than Polo and about the same weight. We must be using Thursty at FB and Rance at CHB with Mcguane being the other tall. Thursty had an interrupted preseason and was a bit underdone Round 1. He's a quality player and should be played at FB. Moore, Polo and Newman is more than enough small defenders. Why do we we even bother with King or Mcmahon? We swapped 1 apple turnover(Mcmahon) for another(King). We don't need any more small defenders. We desperately need to get rid of these 2 players who bring the whole defence down with poor decisions costing us goals. Honestly there's nothing wrong with a defence such as

FB Mcguane Thursfield Newman
HB Moore Rance Polo

but when you have a King or Mcmahon in there it falls apart and not having Thursty and relying on Moore to play as a KPP is asking for more trouble. Please don't bring in Mcmahon

finally something i completely agree with.
that should and must be our backline.
king will be gone at the end of the season, they will prob keep mcmahon for one more season to see out his contract, but i cant wait for him to go.

we must delist atleast 4 or 5 players and draft atleast 4 or 5 kids at the end of the year.

 

[beaver fever]

Moore is certainly capable of being a KP defender, he was our best one last year. He is listed as 190cm now incidentally. He doesn't have the ideal body size for it in my opinion. Like the OP said, he would be best suited to HBF, but having the flexibility to move to KP if needed. Think James Clement, think Darren Milburn. What we need are big bodied defenders to free up Moore. Enter Alex Rance and Jayden Post. These are the big bodies we need. Thursfield is not a KP either, he is a 3rd tall, but many still dispute this even though he was overtaken by Moore and McGuane last year and has not reclaimed that title. McGuane I still think is our best chance at a good pick from GC.

What we are also lacking is a tough back pocket player with good skills to take the small forwards. At the moment I think we should persist with Polo who is playing well in my opinion.

Thursfield---Post---Polo-----
--Moore----Rance--Newman

 

[Madtiger2006]

Moore is certainly capable of being a KP defender, he was our best one last year. He is listed as 190cm now incidentally. He doesn't have the ideal body size for it in my opinion. Like the OP said, he would be best suited to HBF, but having the flexibility to move to KP if needed. Think James Clement, think Darren Milburn. What we need are big bodied defenders to free up Moore. Enter Alex Rance and Jayden Post. These are the big bodies we need. Thursfield is not a KP either, he is a 3rd tall, but many still dispute this even though he was overtaken by Moore and McGuane last year and has not reclaimed that title. McGuane I still think is our best chance at a good pick from GC.

What we are also lacking is a tough back pocket player with good skills to take the small forwards. At the moment I think we should persist with Polo who is playing well in my opinion.

Thursfield---Post---Polo-----
--Moore----Rance--Newman

We have to keep Mcguane. No way i would get rid of him. I'd definately give Raines to GC though. I think Thursty and Mcguane are our best KPP defenders and Rance is coming through too. Thursty played one crappy game in 2 years in Round 1, but i wouldn't have dropped him. He missed at least a couple of nab games. He's more skilfull than Moore. Thursty will bulk to 95kg after 2-3 more preseasons. So will Mcguane. Thursty, Mcguane and Rance are our KPP defenders of the future. We need to worry about FF and that's where Post will probably play and Putt as a ruckman/forward which we also badly need.

 

[krustyman]

At 189cm and 84kg he's a back flanker. He's about 2cm taller than Polo and about the same weight. We must be using Thursty at FB and Rance at CHB with Mcguane being the other tall. Thursty had an interrupted preseason and was a bit underdone Round 1. He's a quality player and should be played at FB. Moore, Polo and Newman is more than enough small defenders. Why do we we even bother with King or Mcmahon? We swapped 1 apple turnover(Mcmahon) for another(King). We don't need any more small defenders. We desperately need to get rid of these 2 players who bring the whole defence down with poor decisions costing us goals. Honestly there's nothing wrong with a defence such as

FB Mcguane Thursfield Newman
HB Moore Rance Polo

but when you have a King or Mcmahon in there it falls apart and not having Thursty and relying on Moore to play as a KPP is asking for more trouble. Please don't bring in Mcmahon

agree moore isnt a kpp, can pinch hit , but isnt a regular kp backman. moore is in an in between size that is too big for to play on those speedy agile forwards and not tall enough for the big guns.

moore tend to hang off players but his form hasnt been anything great and hasnt been running off the bigger opponents to create the extra man so they can clear the ball. maybe they maked him too tight so he cant do it, but he is rarely spotted when they try to clear it.

i think this has caused some issues and richo has to go back to help out a fair bit.