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Just wondering as it seems there are 2 schools of thought as to what makes a successful side nowadays. We have seen the Eagles win a flag with a great midfield and decent hardworking KPP types. We have seen Sydney be successful with great KPP types and a hard working midfield.

Now we have up and coming clubs like the Tigers, Blues and Dogs who have recruited quick running types and KPP types that while talented don't seem like they will tear games apart. Then we have the Pies Saints and Hawks who have loaded up on the KPP types and have servicable midfields.

Which plan is better suited to football in the future. The quick running type to get the ball forward fast or the KPP loaded forward line that will mark whatever comes down but slow ball movement means opposition sides can get men back and clog up space.

 

[parrot]

Just wondering as it seems there are 2 schools of thought as to what makes a successful side nowadays. We have seen the Eagles win a flag with a great midfield and decent hardworking KPP types. We have seen Sydney be successful with great KPP types and a hard working midfield.

Now we have up and coming clubs like the Tigers, Blues and Dogs who have recruited quick running types and KPP types that while talented don't seem like they will tear games apart. Then we have the Pies Saints and Hawks who have loaded up on the KPP types and have servicable midfields.

Which plan is better suited to football in the future. The quick running type to get the ball forward fast or the KPP loaded forward line that will mark whatever comes down but slow ball movement means opposition sides can get men back and clog up space.

We need a poll to work out the reason for your litany of low-IQ polls. Breathtaking stupidity is an understatement.

 

[Biggie]

. Breathtaking stupidity is an understatement.

Coming from you.

Thats rich.

 

[DynamoUltra]

How's that saying go? Fast men get slower but tall men don't get shorter?

 

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We need a poll to work out the reason for your litany of low-IQ polls. Breathtaking stupidity is an understatement.

Is your IQ that low you can't answer Parrot?

I see this is one of your great recent Polls:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287100

 

[Coin_Toss]

Great KPP Types with OK Midfield Service.

All my life I have believed that key position players can be the difference between winning and losing premierships. Some of the best teams in our lifetime have been strong through much of the spine ie. Hawthorn, Brisbane Lions. It's good to have quality midfielders delivering the ball well into the forward line....

But give me a (Jonathan Brown) over b (Chris Judd) anyday.

 

[Richo83]

Great KPP Types with OK Midfield Service.

All my life I have believed that key position players can be the difference between winning and losing premierships. Some of the best teams in our lifetime have been strong through much of the spine ie. Hawthorn, Brisbane Lions. It's good to have quality midfielders delivering the ball well into the forward line....

But give me a (Jonathan Brown) over b (Chris Judd) anyday.

This year's premiership wasn't won by the best forwards, it was won by the best midfielders.

 

[lids2004roar]

Obviously you would pick the option "both" but in reality it's much harder to secure both.

Consider the direction the game is heading too, and the likelihood of either a midfielder coming good or a KPP becoming dominant. Both have a risk they will be nothing, but I tend to think KPPs are harder to judge at a younger age (they can often be bigger than everyone, eg Hawkins)

Here's a nice little fact:

The game is getting faster.

Logic... hmm does that mean we need faster players? You bet.



In the past strong spines did won games. But also in the past the game was a hell of a lot slower than it is today and slower than where it is heading.

Fast games need fast players. Slow games needs slow players. This is a different game to the 80's.

 

[wce4premiership]

a mixture of both would definitely be the best.

 

[Benno_900]

The last option just defeats the purpose of this thread.

 

[exe ex machina]

Fast midfield is just a strategy, one pragmatic on how to win that's in vogue. Just like the short chipping game (tempo football) was once a trendy strategy. Or the flooding rebound game. But even in either, productive kpp's are essential. If you had none, you'd have to make up for it with literally a two-pronged corp of very fast and elite skilled midfielders, and even then it's like a 2005 GF....just can't seem to get over the line, closed off by their kpp's. Sydney shows that the right gameplan can thwart such a strategy. All their recent matches have been 6 pt or less affairs when the mere dynamic of corps of fast midfielders dictates that games be broken wide open early.

Good kpp's are practically essential. Rare for any AR team of any era to win without them.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

With all this talk of West Coast's KPPs being average, Glass was AA this year, Hunter could have been if not for injury, Hansen is a good solid lead up CHF, and Quinten Lynch kicked over 50 goals this year. It's hardly the worst group in the league - I'd suggest their spine is close to the best.

 

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The last option just defeats the purpose of this thread.

Not really if you think back to the Lions of 01-04 they had Lynch Brown Leppitsch and Michael as great KPP types being fed by 4 of the best onballers at the time in Voss Black Lappin and Aker. They were unstoppable during that time. However as I said in the original post lately you have some teams with great KPP and a few good mids like the Saints and you have the Eagles with great mids and a few good KPP types. Which team is the better if both were to field their best 22? The side who has the dominant KPP(St.Kilda) or the side with a great rotation of mids(WCE)?

The final option is if you had say 2 great mids and 2 ok mids feeding a forward line with 1 great KPP and 2 average KPP. Would that serve you better in the long run?

 

[mudgeathon]

With all this talk of West Coast's KPPs being average, Glass was AA this year, Hunter could have been if not for injury, Hansen is a good solid lead up CHF, and Quinten Lynch kicked over 50 goals this year. It's hardly the worst group in the league - I'd suggest their spine is close to the best.

It was 65 goals. [sorry to be pedantic] Can't have anyone selling TBU short

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

It was 65 goals. [sorry to be pedantic] Can't have anyone selling TBU short

In the Coleman tally, he only kicked 53 - 12 were in Finals.

Moreover, since when is 65 NOT over 50?

 

[Not a Wellman]

It is better to watch imo a side with Great KPP Types with OK Midfield Service but with the path the game has decided to take it's more about pace and quick ball movement which is a shame.

The best game i watched all year was Essendon Carlton with Lucas and Fev having a bit of a shoot out.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

The game is changing, but I disagree that is has been revolutionized to a point where it is now all about speedy midfielders.
The big blokes are still the money men, though obviously a mixture of both is preferable.

 

[bunsen burner]

Fast Skilled Midfield with OK KPP types

At the moment this is where it's at. I suspec this will be the trend for a few years with the Eagles and Bulldogs. Then it will change and sines will be in fashion again.

 

[doppleganger]

Fast Skilled Midfield with OK KPP types

At the moment this is where it's at. I suspec this will be the trend for a few years with the Eagles and Bulldogs. Then it will change and sines will be in fashion again.

eagles have a midfield that thrives on the contested ball, kerr, judd, waters but all players are still quick and skilled. That is very rare.

But sydney showed that u can get by with a workman like midfield if u have a couple of gun talls, goodes, hall!

much rahter have a gun forward like j.brown when fit, pav, hall etc then a guy like dal santo!

 

[bunsen burner]

eagles have a midfield that thrives on the contested ball, kerr, judd, waters but all players are still quick and skilled. That is very rare.

It's the first time anyone has stacked themselves such a talented midfield. It will set the trend for the next few years before times will change again.

But sydney showed that u can get by with a workman like midfield if you have a couple of gun talls, goodes, hall!

Sydney have a very good forward line but that's not really what made them good. It was their style of play - tight congested and contested footy. Sort of like playing finals type footy all year. The reason it's so effective is a) if a team plays this type of footy the other team has no choice but to get roped into it and the team that's been playing that style almost every week is going to win most times, and b) when it comes to finals footy they're already well drilled and experienced at that type of footy.

I'm tipping the Swans little era is nearly up. Soon they must get some injuries or a lapse of form. The advent of the Eagles followed by the Bulldogs etc will probably mean other clubs will try copy the leaders ensuring stacked midields and fast ball movement.

much rahter have a gun forward like j.brown when fit, pav, hall etc then a guy like dal santo!

Generally I would too but I'll take whatever wins flags. I'd even be happy with Sydneys dour style if I was a Swans supporter. Besides, Dal Santo does correographed balks and dummies a la Backstreet Boys. Chuck Brent Maloney into a Saints gurnsey and they'd be doing synchronised rnb moves in the centre square and at stoppages.