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What is general perception and what is sane are very different things.
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What is general perception and what is sane are very different things.
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It's changed a bit. In the 13 years up to 2002 men were more likely to commit Filicide than women, except between the ages of 4 and 5. Between 2002 and 2012, women were more likely to kill their children under the age of 8, whilst men over the age of 8 were more likely to be offenders.
The numbers of victims of domestic homicide have also dropped - from 77 a year to 65 per year between the two periods. It suggests that the domestic violence message is working, albeit slowly.
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I didn't go through this list in extensive detail but - * me - this is some really sloppy s**t from a laughable source (the "DVAA" apparently has no official website and a grand total of 27 followers on Twitter). For example:
Somehow, despite the murder entirely being carried out by a Nazi male, according to the "DVAA" the woman is assigned full blame for this violence.
Another murder carried out by a male, but because a woman was tangentially involved after the fact it becomes entirely her fault. The rampant misogyny of the DVAA would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
"Arthur Kelekolio, 38, is suspected of carrying out the hit on Mr Ledinh, and is currently behind bars after being charged with his murder last month." Surprise, surprise. Yet another murder assigned wholesale to a female which was carried out by a male.
Deaths which occurred up to 5 years ago are just slotted into the DVAA's graphic as if they occurred within the calendar year. There are numerous examples of this fudging of dates throughout the list. Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, nearly every example of male violence provided occurred within this calendar year. How can anyone take this garbage seriously?
Honestly, this is where I had to stop reading. Please, I beg you, open this link and read it. This is the opening line: "The man accused of shooting dead 24-year-old Jacob Bell inside a unit north of Brisbane during the early hours of Friday has faced court and been remanded in custody."
So some loser with a Twitter account and an axe to grind who spends all day typing "woman" and "murder" into google has sloppily assigned this tragedy to a female. Why are we relying on this utter bullshit when we have a highly credible source like the ABS who compile comprehensive statistics on such matters, which show:
- More than one in three Australians experienced violence by a male perpetrator since the age of 15 (36% or 6.7 million), compared to one in ten by a female perpetrator (11% or 2 million).
- In the most recent incident of physical assault by a male, men were most likely to be physically assaulted by a male stranger (66% or 873,100).
- Women were nearly three times more likely to have experienced partner violence than men, with approximately one in six women (17% or 1.6 million) and one in sixteen men (6.1% or 547,600) having experienced partner violence since the age of 15.
- Women were eight times more likely to experience sexual violence by a partner than men (5.1% or 480,200 women compared to 0.6% or *53,000 men)
- One in six women (16% or 1.5 million) and one in ten men (11% or 991,600) aged 18 years and over experienced abuse before the age of 15.
- One in two women (53% or 5 million) and one in four men (25% or 2.2 million) had experienced sexual harassment during their lifetime.
- In Victoria three-quarters of victims in family violence incidents attended by police are female and 77 per cent of perpetrators recorded by police are male. (Royal Commission on Family Violence report, page 143)
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Been sitting back in Perth and really surprised how this has become a debate about domestic violence, woman's rights and a culture of respectfulness men, with the above posts taking this to the nth degree. There have been some common sense posts and Total_Juddshanks is one that reflects those.
There have been some "out there" posts but CatFan's video post about "incels" in my opinion could be closer to the truth than any others.
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According to the DVAA infographic this murder was assigned exclusively to a "female perpetrator". Does that seem like an accurate representation of the facts of this case to you? How on earth was she assigned "full blame" when her her male accomplice was also charged with murder and carried out the act itself?
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No. Both equally guilty of murder. Yours makes it sound that it was only the male that was guilty.
Was the male also not assigned guilty of murder status in the infograpahic?
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No, he wasn't. That's the whole point. According to this "study", if there was any female involvement at all (even as an accomplice after the fact) it is wholly categorised in the DVAA infographic as a "female perpetrated murder". Also, why don't you address the half dozen other examples I provided where women have been blatantly or falsely assigned complete responsibility by the DVAA for murders carried out by men?
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Ummm ... because I think this debate misses the point of the sexual assault and murder that happened. I used the first example because is showed you both taking opposite positions, one the female totally responsible and the other the male, when it was both. I don't have hours to spare to go through all the examples and correlate them to the infographic and again I don't think it should be the focus of this thread.
I agree with you the infographic is incorrect if its not taking all convictions, male and female into account or misleading if the females were not convicted of murder but included.
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I'm interested in what drove said Chappy to go the route he went , to elevate to that shows some mental off , must be drugs or something one would hope ... I suppose these things will come out in the wash soon enough .
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The spread sheet and debate at current lol
both sexes murder circumstances differ regardless of data entered , very rare for a murdering women rapist isn't it . 1/1 billion ?
both sexes murder circumstances differ regardless of data entered , very rare for a murdering women rapist isn't it . 1/1 billion ?
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So, again, what's your solution? Lock up all men? What percentage of men are perpetrators of domestic violence in Australia? It's something like 1%.
For every domestic assault in a middle class home in Australia there are 10 in a public housing estate and 25 in an indigenous community.
Alcohol is involved in up to 65% of family domestic violence.
Stop pushing your ignorant gender narrative, its a social/cultural issue.
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It is a gender issue, social and cultural issues may also come into play but men's violence is a man's issue. So, what's your solution?
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Own your own actions . Anatomy doesn't control your actions .
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Hating on men is not a solution and will get you nowhere. I just feel sorry for people who try to proliferate this gender patriarchy nonsense. It is totally counter productive.
1% of men are perpetrators of domestic violence!
The solution is to focus on the areas where the violence is most prolific, like I said. Do case studies, run educational programs, prosecute perpetrators.
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Yeah because there's absolutely no sensible middle ground between doing SFA and locking up all men.
You've been all over this thread desperately trying to de-gender this issue. So how's about you start by not continuing to bury your in the sand and deceiving others by pulling bullshit statistics from your arse?
There are a myriad of things that can be done on an individual and systematic basis. Calling out male friends and colleagues that behave disrespectfully towards women. Harsher legal penalties for those that commit abuse and harrassment. More resources for DV services. Programs in schools talking to young people about support services, healthy ways to deal with stress and anger and sexual consent. The list goes on and on.
Bullshit made-up statistic. Not worth responding to.
Yes, cultural factors like class, race, gender and alcohol consumption all play a role in domestic violence, I've never claimed otherwise. You're the one who is claiming that gender is irrelevant here.
Gender is an intrinsic part of culture and society. Its inseperable.
It is absolutely not a "gender issue". Believe it or not, there are a lot of dysfunctional and seriously mentally unwell people in this world. They are not rational, they don't see right and wrong in certain situations. Until some of these fantasy land do-gooders, actually interact with these people, they will never understand this. It has nothing to do with "violence against women". Irrational people, do irrational things! You can raise a mentally sane child to be a great person, but if your child is a nutter, you cannot do s**t, because they are not rational. Do people in society seriously think men are telling other men they should rape or physically hurt anyone at all, let alone women? There are laws against domestic violence, sexual assault and murder for a reason; because society is actually AGAINST it. These gender discussions from anti-male advocates calling themselves "feminists" are always lopsided. Why don't we talk about men having a higher chance of; committing suicide, being incarcerated or homeless? These people do not realise how they lcuky they are to be women in a Western country, we have it so good. They should be sent to Saudi Arabia seeing as they are so ungreatful.
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We can disagree about it being a gender issue, not all men who attack women are mentally unwell or complete and utter nutters. Many of them go to work in designer suits and hold high paid corporate jobs, celebrities, cops, powerful men who wear white ribbons on the appropriate days and preach it, those who go to church on Sunday and beat their wife on Monday.
I acknowledge mens greater risk of suicide and we do talk about it, I often have, incarceration etc, we should talk about it more. Not all femininsts are anti men, believe it or not many of us/them have fathers, brothers and sons. We could also talk about the greater risk of men becoming the victims of male violence but then it becomes clearer ... it's a gender issue.
There's another thread though where this conversation might be more appropriate.
Really? How many? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. There are arseholes in all walks of life, again I would say this is far from the norm that the media is making it out to be and just throwing all men under the bus. This is my books, is also irrational behaviour. Just because you might be functional in some aspects of life, doesn't mean you are in others.
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I know of a few personally that if people knew, would be extremely shocked. It's often the women in relationships with successful men, nice house car kids at private schools, everything looks so great from the outside, who have the most difficulty speaking out and/or getting out.
I'm a feminist and I don't want to see men thrown under a bus, I need them strong. Not feeling like they're under attack. That's my dad, brothers and sons, friends. I think the media is just about getting their attention.
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According to ABS statistics, women are three times more likely to suffer intimate partner violence than men so it is clearly a gender issue, as much as you want to pretend it isn't. One in three women experience physical and/or sexual violence by someone known to them in their lifetimes. "It's worse somewhere else" is not a standard which any serious person should measure progress in a civil society.
Feminists constantly talk about male suicide, a sizeable portion of which is the result of homophobia and toxic patriarchal pressures about how males should behave and express their emotions. Men who express their vulnerability or fears are often mocked as "weak" or "pussies" and therefore suppress their feelings at the expense of their mental health. Such rigid gender roles have been understood by feminist scholars as one of the most damaging aspects of patriarchy for decades now. Just because you can't be bothered reading serious feminist literature doesn't mean those discussions aren't happening.
To those arguing this isn't a gendered issue, this should be very easy for you to prove: provide a credible study which shows perpetrators of sexual and/or physical violence are split close to 50/50 between males and females. Put your money where your mouth is.
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You've dumbed yourself down to this failed logic that because the majority of perps are males, its a problem for ALL males without acknowledging only a tiny percentage of males in this country have ever been guilty of sexual or physical violence.
You know the parts of society where the majority of the problems exist, it just doesn't fit your pathetic narrative.
Like I said before, hating on men is not a solution to any problem. It's obviously an outlet for your insecurities, for what reason I don't know.
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That's rich coming from you. You're the one suggesting toxic masculine culture - which includes aspects above and beyond sexual and physical violence like sexism, disrespect and verbal harrassment - is totally above reproach and criticism.
You just use mealy-mouthed platitudes like "tiny percentage" or "ever found guilty" without offering a single credible study to back up your words.
I have to imagine people like you must have spent your entire lives wrapped in cotton wool. Never been out on a Saturday night? Never heard someone tell "Show us yet ****" from a passing car? Never seen a bloke grab a woman's ass or flick up her skirt? Never heard a wolf whistle or a "Hello, darling." directed at a woman on the street? Do you condemn that sort of behaviour or would you describe the above as "harmless" or a "just a little fun".
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Not to go too far off topic but adding to the white woman syndrome(?) someone previously mentioned, I think you can also look at things like Bung Siriboon compared to William Tyrell and the corresponding of coverage of both. Also, Cai Xia Liao (who killed her ex's wife and grandson) got hardly any coverage. If that was a white family then there would have been a day dedicated to it by now.
To me it just seems that some deaths are treated more worthy to be outraged for (they all should elicit outrage) and that hypocrisy is what I think upsets a lot of people. Almost as if some murders currency are worth more than others in a societal environment (not everyone is guilty of cashing in on this btw).
To me it just seems that some deaths are treated more worthy to be outraged for (they all should elicit outrage) and that hypocrisy is what I think upsets a lot of people. Almost as if some murders currency are worth more than others in a societal environment (not everyone is guilty of cashing in on this btw).
