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Just read the OP's rant again, and it's still great.
 
You think our club is a bit to corporate in the manner its does things? I actually do and it shits me, sometimes we are too stuck in management speak with all the processes etc.

Roosy was corporate as well BUT he was able to mix some old school methods with the modern ways.

Horse seems like a genuine good guy and down the line type of person but sometimes he reminds me of my old upper management boss when i worked in a proper corporate company.

Maybe its having bankers around the place and being sponsored by two massive financial groups.

BUT We need a little bit of mongrel and some bastardy to balance it all out. It worked for the hawks and dogs, even though Beveridge imported it from his time at the hawks. During GF week Beveridge was able to manipulate the public wheres horse just made sure all the processes were running and in place.

A bit uninspiring if you ask me.
 
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I think you're reading too much into it, personally I would give this season a 9 overall, we "ticked a lot of boxes" (there's some more corporate speak for you *shudders*) but I reckon if we had done things a bit differently we could have made it a 10.
 

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Going back over it and you think, who really stepped up and had an impact.

Kennedy and grundy played out of their skins that day and needed a bit more support. Mitchell had a game to remember, Hanners did some good work early before getting injured. Jones, Heeney, Parker, Jack, naismith, Rampe and buddy had their moments but weren't at their best. The rest had sub par games with a few real stinkers.

You can't win a gf with only a hand full of players having crackers/ good games. The dogs just out willed us in that game.

**** I hate re living that game.

I think we broke down several times the ball hit Papley's direction. Not pinning it on him, but if he repeated his impact in the previous 2 games, we probably win. Mcglynn didn't help the cause either. I think our midfield did just about enough without dominating, but our forward line just failed to fire.
 
GoTheSwannies said:
Going back over it and you think, who really stepped up and had an impact.

Kennedy and grundy played out of their skins that day and needed a bit more support. Mitchell had a game to remember, Hanners did some good work early before getting injured. Jones, Heeney, Parker, Jack, naismith, Rampe and buddy had their moments but weren't at their best. The rest had sub par games with a few real stinkers.

You can't win a gf with only a hand full of players having crackers/ good games. The dogs just out willed us in that game.

**** I hate re living that game.

I think we broke down several times the ball hit Papley's direction. Not pinning it on him, but if he repeated his impact in the previous 2 games, we probably win. Mcglynn didn't help the cause either. I think our midfield did just about enough without dominating, but our forward line just failed to fire.
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Very good and I can tell you a lot of that is the clubs view, they are blaming poor disposal and a few who were down or put up their hand to say they were fit.
 
Interesting about the injuries. I was right by the race and saw cunningham, Marsh and nankers waiting during the warm up. Cunningham looked absolutely filthy the whole time. I wonder if he knew a little more about the fitness of those included.
 
GoTheSwannies said:
Going back over it and you think, who really stepped up and had an impact.

Kennedy and grundy played out of their skins that day and needed a bit more support. Mitchell had a game to remember, Hanners did some good work early before getting injured. Jones, Heeney, Parker, Jack, naismith, Rampe and buddy had their moments but weren't at their best. The rest had sub par games with a few real stinkers.

You can't win a gf with only a hand full of players having crackers/ good games. The dogs just out willed us in that game.

**** I hate re living that game.

I think we broke down several times the ball hit Papley's direction. Not pinning it on him, but if he repeated his impact in the previous 2 games, we probably win. Mcglynn didn't help the cause either. I think our midfield did just about enough without dominating, but our forward line just failed to fire.
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Well what we know now is that we limped into that game. A lot of our players were sore and injured. On top of the umpires not allowing us to play the style we wanted and with 99.999% of victards supporting the dogs AND a media wanting and pushing a fairytale played on what is essentially an interstate ground for non vic clubs and IMHO we actually did pretty well.

Would love to have seen a fully fit swans team with every player at peak health plus a very neutral umpired game and in a neutral venue with equal support.

Yeah 100% certain we would have walloped the dogs, smashed them.

But alas as it stands we have to play under the rules of the VFL and that automatically sets us back.
 
GoTheSwannies said:
Interesting about the injuries. I was right by the race and saw cunningham, Marsh and nankers waiting during the warm up. Cunningham looked absolutely filthy the whole time. I wonder if he knew a little more about the fitness of those included.
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Most of our key players were injured.

Buddy
Tippett
Parker

Then the rest of them

Thats 3 massive players all limping into a GF.

JPK is the only one but the guy has such amazing genetics he never gets injured.
 
Begs the question, does cunningham for either Mills or macca, and perhaps nankers for tippet swing the balance in our favour?

In fairness to the selections, cunningham did himself no favours with his performances throughout the year. There would have been well-founded doubts as to whether he'd be able to perform on the big stage.

But on the flip side, as a player, if you put your hand up, you go in with no excuses. You're essentially saying, at my current fitness, I'm going to be better than the guy you'll bring in to replace me.
 
GoTheSwannies said:
Begs the question, does cunningham for either Mills or macca, and perhaps nankers for tippet swing the balance in our favour?

In fairness to the selections, cunningham did himself no favours with his performances throughout the year. There would have been well-founded doubts as to whether he'd be able to perform on the big stage.

But on the flip side, as a player, if you put your hand up, you go in with no excuses. You're essentially saying, at my current fitness, I'm going to be better than the guy you'll bring in to replace me.
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Would have played Toby and Marsh over Macca , who wasn't fit and Tippett.
 

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bedford said:
Why , 2 fitter players and remember we were only 1 point behind with 7 and a half to go.
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Those 2 players are not players that win you are grand final when the game is on the line. Would I have played them over the 2 you mentioned, Yes. Do I think the outcome would have been any different, No.
 
doona said:
Those 2 players are not players that win you are grand final when the game is on the line. Would I have played them over the 2 you mentioned, Yes. Do I think the outcome would have been any different, No.
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Fair enough , but they might have, but unfortunately we will never know. Now we will have to somehow get over the western scum to get another chance.
 
I think nank in for tippet would have been a big win. Tippet was pedestrian on the day, nank the tank would have been much more imposing on the contest. I felt naismith had some great passages of play, particularly early on. I think the combo would have ground the Bulldogs down throughout the game.

Tippet got a few touches, and did bare minimum, but didn't impact the contest in a way to get the ball moving forward. I think nank would have been able to impose himself more.

I havent seen Marsh do anything extraordinary, so don't think his inclusion would have had too much of an impact. I don't know, maybe the fresh legs would have helped move the balance to our favour, conversely, his inexperience could have cost us. He was a bit of an unknown quantity going in so do you go with maccas safe-but-impactless performance, or do you go for someone who may give you more drive, but could cost you on the day.

Mind you, Mills cost us an important goal towards the end of the game.

When you have so many young inexperienced players, you can't afford to have your senior group just breaking even.

And injuries have once again factored in at the worst possible time. It's like a ****ing rerun. Just get through the finals and don't lose anyone. Since 2012, we've continued to lose or cop injuries to our most important players.

Just goes to show that everything needs to go right to win a flag.
 
bedford said:
Very good and I can tell you a lot of that is the clubs view, they are blaming poor disposal and a few who were down or put up their hand to say they were fit.
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This!
The Bloods culture is about being able to carry an injury into a game but still being able to have an impact.
Leo Barry in 2005 with fractures in his face & eye socket was still intent on throwing his body at everything. His legendary mark at the end becoming his imprint in history. Kelly played injured without much of a drop in his ability to have an impact. Kirk, Maxfield, Crouch, MOL, Matthews, Jude & Craig Bolton, etc, etc have all been there.
Goodes in our last p'ship was incapacitated with a medial but I will never forget his goal, but more importantly, when many others would feel sorry for themselves for being injured in such a big game, he ran straight at opponents & at the contests a couple of times in that last five minutes. He was sore & couldn't turn & pull up in a hurry, but he could run straight & be stopped by the impact of body on body. All in the last 5 or 10 minutes he did this.
The same time that our game against the Dogs was lost. Apart from Kennedy, I don't know any player carrying a niggle on the ground that day that made an impact in some way. Hanners was done. Parker didn't cope with his knee, Macca, Mills & Tippett in hindsight perhaps shouldn't have played. Pretty harsh because it takes something special from a player to play with such injuries. I know Macca has in the past but he fell a little short this time.
In saying that, would the blokes coming in have done better?

The unknown! What we do know is that Josh Kennedy can sit beside Kelly, Kirk, Skilts, Goodesy etc, at future functions & be talked about with the same high regard, because if we had any doubts about his character after being knocked out against GWS & going on to dominate contested possessions while clearly concussed, he left us without any doubt after his epic GF performance carrying an injured knee into the game & being the only one that had any right to leaves his tears of pain on the MCG that day!

I think perhaps there is one other person in our team that may have some of this Bloods spirit! Alex Johnson! God I hope he can get back into the senior team because we could do with his character out there when things get tough.
 

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Tedeski said:
Players can hide for a little while Bedders but eventually they'll get found out by their peers.
Macca will be no different. He has this year to give his all & if he falls short, he'll be told.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he's already been told. I've said it before, he's been a great player who is now past his prime...he's also a very selfish person! I'm going with final year, loss of captaincy and no guarantees of a game.
 
A good pre season, which he missed last year, may help, but I think it will be treated as though his body is breaking down & will pull the pin if form is not good.
I remember Rhys Shaw too struggling at points in his last year but gave it one last harrah to finish off the year in reasonable touch.
I am happy to give Macca a go as he has been a captain of the club & he deserves to be given every chance to see out his contract.
 
Mick Oxlong said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he's already been told. I've said it before, he's been a great player who is now past his prime...he's also a very selfish person! I'm going with final year, loss of captaincy and no guarantees of a game.
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Why do you say this Mick? Am I missing something. Is the club unhappy with Macca for putting his hand up to play because that is the vibe I am getting from reading a few posts here. Fair enough if true.
 
Tedeski said:
Why do you say this Mick? Am I missing something. Is the club unhappy with Macca for putting his hand up to play because that is the vibe I am getting from reading a few posts here. Fair enough if true.
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He isnt selfish, perception seems to be of having an arrogant attitude in that he seems to think he is automatically picked regardless of form kinda way.

I dig the guy, classy footballer, awesome captain and when fit is one of the best composed players under pressure, i mean 2012 GF and that free kick goal. He is just ageing and all footballers age and slow down.

The club also rates him, which is whats important.
 
BigBertO said:
He isnt selfish, perception seems to be of having an arrogant attitude in that he seems to think he is automatically picked regardless of form kinda way.

I dig the guy, classy footballer, awesome captain and when fit is one of the best composed players under pressure, i mean 2012 GF and that free kick goal. He is just ageing and all footballers age and slow down.

The club also rates him, which is whats important.
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Dig, dug his own grave
 

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