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Can Nick bounce back? Simple question.

NAB Cup is over, any signs that suggest either side of this argument? For the sake of the game I hope he does!

His been one of the best CHF I have ever seen.
 
How about his well below best form of the past 12 months? He's been a shadow of his former self in the past 12 months and needs to get his mojo back ASAP.
Hard to tell at this stage if he's going better than for most of last year though. Got subbed off in the 3rd 1/4 (or at 3/4 time) yesterday as he was so spent.
I think a move to the wing might help him recapture his old form and energy and spark, though.
 
Hammy injury.

The first 2 rounds of 2010 was possibly the best I've ever seen Roo play. He was evidently very determined after '09 and was going bezerk. He was pretty much on track for a brownlow. But since the injury he hasn't been half the player he was the very game before it.

Very sad.
 

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Simple Jack said:
Hammy injury.

The first 2 rounds of 2010 was possibly the best I've ever seen Roo play. He was evidently very determined after '09 and was going bezerk. He was pretty much on track for a brownlow. But since the injury he hasn't been half the player he was the very game before it.

Very sad.
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That's rubbish because when he came back after the hammy he was just as good as he was before it. He was flying towards the end of the year and was good in the finals as well. Kerr came back from the same injury and had a great year last year so the idea of that injury ruining your career is way off.

Players have ups and downs and Roo is the same. He'll be fine.
 
Simple Jack said:
Hammy injury.

The first 2 rounds of 2010 was possibly the best I've ever seen Roo play. He was evidently very determined after '09 and was going bezerk. He was pretty much on track for a brownlow. But since the injury he hasn't been half the player he was the very game before it.

Very sad.
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How about that game against north where he booted 7.5. That was a monster match after the hammy.

I agree to a certain point. He has not dominated the competition on a consistent basis after the hammy. I highly doubt we will see his 2009 form and first two matches of 2010 form come back.
 
Simple Jack said:
The first 2 rounds of 2010 was possibly the best I've ever seen Roo play. He was evidently very determined after '09 and was going bezerk. He was pretty much on track for a brownlow.
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I agree that that was probably the best he'd ever played and was going brilliantly and while he went better than he did last year, when he came back in 2010, he's never really gotten back to that pre-hammy form.
He just seems a bit of shell of his former self to me. That game against North last year was just a bit of an exception, rather than the rule, unfortunately. The week after he was back to doing very little again and stayed that way for the rest of the season.
Not sure what it's going to take for him to get it back, really.
 
Pretty much what ARR said.

I'm not saying he won't get back to his '09 form, but he certainly hasn't yet and it's looking less and less likely.

And he did certainly play some good footy (QF for example) after his hammy but it was good halves, instead of good games a la pre injury.

Shame. We really could use a roo on top of his game.
 
Simple Jack said:
Hammy injury.

The first 2 rounds of 2010 was possibly the best I've ever seen Roo play. He was evidently very determined after '09 and was going bezerk. He was pretty much on track for a brownlow. But since the injury he hasn't been half the player he was the very game before it.

Very sad.
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The part in that post that I bolded really concerns me, as I see some real truth to it.

The very last game before his hammy game he was doing this:

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The only constant has been his work rate. And I don't care what any haters might say, but if Nick Riewoldt ends his career without a premiership medallion, it will be a black day for our great game.
 
we have a crap forward line structure, if we do kick it to him he's got 3 on him and when we kick it to him with 3 on him we kick it shit to be honest. and if he does get it his accuracy has to be less than 50% now-a-days.

I don't see him being great on the wing either, he's too slow, no good below his knees and his disposal isn't great.

I hope he can be great again, he's been mega for soo long.
 
Jeez it was fun watching us in '09 '10.

Like just in those highlights Roo kicked a goal to put us up 61-0.

It's just so awesome when your team can do that.
 
People shouldn't have high expectations of what Roo is going to do in these last 2 years of his illustrious career. I get how a lot of supporters expect miracles of him. He set his own bar and flew at those heights for so long.
But he's coming to the end now, I'll be happy if they really restrict his number of games this year and next just to make sure he's fresh to play when he does.
Its time for Rys to take the reins so to speak.
Kosi looks like he's going to explode this year, based on what he said and what he showed against the eagles, his marking looked strong.
 

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when we kick it to him with 3 on him we kick it shit to be honest. and if he does get it his accuracy has to be less than 50% now-a-days.
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That is the biggest thing I noticed when I watched the video in SA1NTER post.

The disposal to Nick was generally good. Kicks to were his advantage; Nick was marking at chest to extended arm height, not above his head or down at his bootlaces like what occurred so often last year...

I also agree we've got a non functioning forward line. Thank god for Milney!
 
FlyingSledghamer said:
People shouldn't have high expectations of what Roo is going to do in these last 2 years of his illustrious career. I get how a lot of supporters expect miracles of him. He set his own bar and flew at those heights for so long.
But he's coming to the end now, I'll be happy if they really restrict his number of games this year and next just to make sure he's fresh to play when he does.
Its time for Rys to take the reins so to speak.
Kosi looks like he's going to explode this year, based on what he said and what he showed against the eagles, his marking looked strong.
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Yeah I think Riewoldt needs to get used to playing a lesser role in the forward line rather than trying to still be the main man. He isn't the dominant player he was of a few years ago and we need to start using other marking targets like Stanley and Kosi more.

Watters mentioned that we need to avoid going to Riewoldt all the time when he is usually outnumbered so hopefully they are putting in place some other strategies. We actually scored better in the final quarter against West Coast after Riewoldt had been subbed off.
 
We saw the same thing in the first match. When we played Sydney with Roo, we scored poorly. When he didn't play against the Cats, scoring really got going. I'm not saying that that's all Roo's fault, but I am saying it's an interesting pattern.
 
we gotta remember that disposal to him hasn't been as good as what it has been previous years. But as a champion player he'll adapt and fight strong.

I also agree with the Kosi going to explode comment. First time in a long time i've seen him run and lead like he did, so hopefully we can get the twin tower partnership shown in 09' when the saints were at their best
 
I liked the combination of Milne and Saad in the forward line in the first match. It was quick movement and unpredictable. If Kosi stays fit. Having Kosi Milne and Saad at FF is the best combo I think and Rys with Sipposs at CHF.
I would play Roo off the bench in bursts around the forward half. Limited game time with a few games off during the year.
 
FlyingSledghamer said:
I liked the combination of Milne and Saad in the forward line in the first match. It was quick movement and unpredictable. If Kosi stays fit. Having Kosi Milne and Saad at FF is the best combo I think and Rys with Sipposs at CHF.
I would play Roo off the bench in bursts around the forward half. Limited game time with a few games off during the year.
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This sounds pretty kooky, I know, but I think that Roo should play off half back this year - the way the game is going, it seems to suit a gut runner more than the fwd line and his ability to read play means he'd carve aerial contests.
 

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He might do well in the air but what about when the ball hits the ground? He has trouble getting low and tackling. Also he has very little off the mark pace any more so he's not going to win much contested footy once the ball hits the deck. I'd worry with him playing around CHB. He's going to be on the couch tonight. Should be interesting.
 
Plugger35 said:
Watters mentioned that we need to avoid going to Riewoldt all the time when he is usually outnumbered so hopefully they are putting in place some other strategies. We actually scored better in the final quarter against West Coast after Riewoldt had been subbed off.
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Persevering Saint said:
We saw the same thing in the first match. When we played Sydney with Roo, we scored poorly. When he didn't play against the Cats, scoring really got going. I'm not saying that that's all Roo's fault, but I am saying it's an interesting pattern.
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That's something the commentators on Fox (at last weeks match) picked up on.
The forward line was far more damaging and unpredictable when Roo wasn't present. Maybe play Roo further up the ground (say wing) and have 2 big forwards and the smalls doing the scoring?
 
FlyingSledghamer said:
He might do well in the air but what about when the ball hits the ground? He has trouble getting low and tackling.
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I guess that's why Goddard/Fisher have been such a revelation across the half back line. Both fairly tall blokes who are good in the air, have a decent leap, can play defensive when needed, and have good-excellent disposal.
 
ChrisFooty said:
How about that game against north where he booted 7.5. That was a monster match after the hammy.
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Not really. A monkey could have kicked a bag that day. Scott Thompson was absolutely dreadful.

The prelim against WB where he kicked and set up several goals after smashing his head in and having a seizure was impressive, though.

You can't really go on NAB cup form. Some players just cruise through the pre season.
 
I have to say this is THE question for 2011 for the saints.

Realistically if we are going to be a contender we need Roo to be at the top of his game. If he struggles again I fear the whole team will struggle.

Can he come back or is he washed up?

What is the career trajectory for a champion centre half fwd? I recall Carey and Dermie struggled on at the end trying to re-caputure their early form.
I just dont know. But I dont want to see a sad demise.

I hope he gets one more good year this year and then moves to play at full fwd with less running in 2013 before he hangs them up after that.
 
Persevering Saint said:
We saw the same thing in the first match. When we played Sydney with Roo, we scored poorly. When he didn't play against the Cats, scoring really got going. I'm not saying that that's all Roo's fault, but I am saying it's an interesting pattern.
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Defences are still geared around stopping him. That's why if he could disappear out of the forward 50 for a bit, it would create a bit of confusion in regards to guarding space, etc. For mine, he'd work well in the Kosi role as a follower. Third man up at the stoppages and drift forward. Would be pretty hard to stop that way. He'd probably get burnt a bit the other way, but I'd put my eggs in one basket in this case. When Riewoldt gets up and going, every single player in the red, white and black lifts a cog.
 

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