n00b advice thread

[FBDonkey]

New to supercoach or bigfooty? Trying to improve your game? Want to know more about general strategy?

This is the thread to post your questions. No question is too stupid or idiotic. No 1 will jump down your throat for asking it.

Hopefully some of the regular posters will give you advice to help you improve your SC game.

 

[Parasite]

How do I make my team win?

 

[IDIG]

First post rule - when theres an out of the norm thread generally the first reply dictates which way it goes. That reply probably didn't help OP

I'll ask one although id like to think of myself as not that noobish

What's everyones thoughts on trading now for cash cow only purposes? I have a lot of cows but no real cash cows except maybe Rich who is becoming a keeper as the weeks go by. My example would be trading out Hogan for example and bringing in Greenwood (i think he's a fwd) for cash only purposes. I can foresee me having a bunch of trouble upgrading with cows like Walker, Petrenko, Brown, etc who aren't making money and this seems like the only way my team will get stronger.

Is this -
a) waste of trades
b) good idea
c) an unclear question

 

[FBDonkey]

First post rule - when theres an out of the norm thread generally the first reply dictates which way it goes. That reply probably didn't help OP

I'll ask one although id like to think of myself as not that noobish

What's everyones thoughts on trading now for cash cow only purposes? I have a lot of cows but no real cash cows except maybe Rich who is becoming a keeper as the weeks go by. My example would be trading out Hogan for example and bringing in Greenwood (i think he's a fwd) for cash only purposes. I can foresee me having a bunch of trouble upgrading with cows like Walker, Petrenko, Brown, etc who aren't making money and this seems like the only way my team will get stronger.

Is this -
a) waste of trades
b) good idea
c) an unclear question

Good point about posting Don.

I think it makes sense if the cow you are trading to is likely to be better than the ones you have.
The problem i see with your example is that Greenwood may not be a whole lot better than Brown, Petrenko, Walker. Maybe Broughton would be a better example (if he can actually get on the park).
Trading an avg rookie not playing for another avg rookie that might get a few games, but not rise above 200k does not seem to be +ev

I dont know if you can really afford to have someone (except your 4th ruck) sitting on the bench for the entire season without playing 3 games. (i am currently dealing with this problem with Anthony, who i am keeping, expecting to play at some later stage)

 

[abczyx666]

First post rule - when theres an out of the norm thread generally the first reply dictates which way it goes. That reply probably didn't help OP

I'll ask one although id like to think of myself as not that noobish

What's everyones thoughts on trading now for cash cow only purposes? I have a lot of cows but no real cash cows except maybe Rich who is becoming a keeper as the weeks go by. My example would be trading out Hogan for example and bringing in Greenwood (i think he's a fwd) for cash only purposes. I can foresee me having a bunch of trouble upgrading with cows like Walker, Petrenko, Brown, etc who aren't making money and this seems like the only way my team will get stronger.

Is this -
a) waste of trades
b) good idea
c) an unclear question

Not a lot of good forward or back cash cows this year, probably need some patience. Levi's a defender who's only played one game. You should never trade for rookies until they have played two games and are selected for their third game.

 

[Parasite]

First post rule - when theres an out of the norm thread generally the first reply dictates which way it goes. That reply probably didn't help OP

I'll ask one although id like to think of myself as not that noobish

What's everyones thoughts on trading now for cash cow only purposes? I have a lot of cows but no real cash cows except maybe Rich who is becoming a keeper as the weeks go by. My example would be trading out Hogan for example and bringing in Greenwood (i think he's a fwd) for cash only purposes. I can foresee me having a bunch of trouble upgrading with cows like Walker, Petrenko, Brown, etc who aren't making money and this seems like the only way my team will get stronger.

Is this -
a) waste of trades
b) good idea
c) an unclear question

I think the answer is very dependent on your whole team. For example, I have Brown and Walker and I have mapped out my intended trades using them as cows. One example is Brown out for 94ker, Rich up to Gun. That can be done with the 160k I have estimated I will make out of Brown.

If you have a Rookie/Gun sort of team, you need the rookies scoring well to move forward, but if you have some mid-pricers to upgrade, 100-150k is all you need from your cows.

So, in summary, my answer is a) or b).

 

[IDIG]

If you have a Rookie/Gun sort of team, you need the rookies scoring well to move forward, but if you have some mid-pricers to upgrade, 100-150k is all you need from your cows.

And here lies the problem. I'm very rookie/gun with no real mid pricers except those who have become keepers Houlihan Higgins for example who were initially thought to be cows but are now keepers cos my bench and playing rookies are appreciating so slowly.

In other words, without being proactive my team is at the best it's gonna get unless i triple trade or upgrade to below-premiums.

The other obvious problem is of course as donkey and abczyx have said is that bringing in a rookie who's not locked in to play alot of games is very risky and a waste of trade(s).

 

[Parasite]

And here lies the problem. I'm very rookie/gun with no real mid pricers except those who have become keepers Houlihan Higgins for example who were initially thought to be cows but are now keepers cos my bench and playing rookies are appreciating so slowly.

In other words, without being proactive my team is at the best it's gonna get unless i triple trade or upgrade to below-premiums.

The other obvious problem is of course as donkey and abczyx have said is that bringing in a rookie who's not locked in to play alot of games is very risky and a waste of trade(s).

Food for thought, if you have good midfield rookies, you could use them as a rotating cash factory soon with the debuts of a couple this week and more to come.

 

[FBDonkey]

Food for thought, if you have good midfield rookies, you could use them as a rotating cash factory soon with the debuts of a couple this week and more to come.

I agree with this. Only problem is that you only have 2 mid rookie spots and have to wait 6/7 weeks for maturity.

Don: Assume you trade Hogan for another rookie the same quaility as petrenko (which is quite likeyl given options). You will then have to trade out your new rookie, plus petrenko, plus another rookie to get anywhere near a premium. That is 4 trades for 1 upgrade.

If you could get a rookie the quality of Beams for Hogan. You would only need to then trade the Beams equivalent and petrenko for your premium upgrade, which reduces a trade, but would sadly still be 3 trades.

 

[Parasite]

I agree with this. Only problem is that you only have 2 mid rookie spots and have to wait 6/7 weeks for maturity.

Don: Assume you trade Hogan for another rookie the same quaility as petrenko (which is quite likeyl given options). You will then have to trade out your new rookie, plus petrenko, plus another rookie to get anywhere near a premium. That is 4 trades for 1 upgrade.

If you could get a rookie the quality of Beams for Hogan. You would only need to then trade the Beams equivalent and petrenko for your premium upgrade, which reduces a trade, but would sadly still be 3 trades.

I'd keep Hogan, upgrade Walker/Brown. Beams 350k > 83k = 270k + 220k from Walker/Brown = Gun. 3-4 weeks later do it again for Beams' replacement - or Rich if a downgrade target (Anthony) of the same onfield quality becomes available.

 

[Dee UK]

I've been thinking about a similar strategy for this week, and cleaning out some dead wood from my bench. Hogan is a prime example - I'm not sure that his price will rise as high as you need anyway, even if he does start getting a game again.

But as a previous poster mentioned there is very little to choose from in both the forwards and backs at the moment. I debated over to trade Nahas at Richmond last week (wish I did) but thought he may of been in and out of the team for the rest of the year.

I still have 20 trades but am kicking myself for not getting on board a couple more cash cows earlier. I do have a couple of players either not playing or down in form and i might have to involve them in a trade to get rid of poor performing rookies, and bring in two players of low to mid value.

I do think one of the worse things too have later in the season is to have players valued at $100 000 or less sitting on your bench and not playing, as your limited in who you can trade them for and when you only have a few trades left you want each one to be productive.

But as ABC mentioned I think a little patience is required waiting for some real gun rookies to appear at the moment.

 

[BenjiXXX]

The same sort of blokes here seem to do well each year. Is there any sort of set template you build your team to or do you just pick those that fit for that year? I'm aiming this question to those who are currently in the top 200.

What would be your best advice for building a team next year that can get in the top 100?

 

[Judd_Magic]

The same sort of blokes here seem to do well each year. Is there any sort of set template you build your team to or do you just pick those that fit for that year? I'm aiming this question to those who are currently in the top 200.

What would be your best advice for building a team next year that can get in the top 100?

I'm only in my third year of Supercoach and not as experienced as some of the gun supercoachers on here but I have come to the conclusion that the template for a good SC team involves getting as many premium defenders in your backline as you can (around 6) and then play with one rookie as your 7th defender. This is the area where coaches always seem to have trouble in and playing 2 or three rookies causes major problems and wastes of trades. Example - Cheney > Rance after Cheney had just got his price rise but got dropped

Midfield - Should ideally have 4 premiums and the best two rookie midfielders such as Rich and Otten.

Rucks - You would go with Cox and whoever else you want.

Forwards - I wouldn't spend big on any of them and just go for the cheapest premium forwards you can. For example this year in a perfect world you would have gone for Chapman, Richo and Davis as they have been more consistent than the more expensive forwards such as Franklin, Pavlich, Harvey, Riewoldt, etc.

Basically the forwards is the area where they fluctuate the most so best to start with cheaper premium forwards that offer good value and a couple of mid priced bargains.

They are my thoughts and I will be using this template next year.

 

[Pedro]

Here is my newbie question. I currently have Rich and Ottens in my midfield. They are both currently averging about the same. If they continue to average around the mark they are currently at, where is their price ceiling? When will their price stop rising? Obviously trying to work out the right(ish) time to trade one of the to upgrade Tuck to a premium.

 

[Judd_Magic]

Here is my newbie question. I currently have Rich and Ottens in my midfield. They are both currently averging about the same. If they continue to average around the mark they are currently at, where is their price ceiling? When will their price stop rising? Obviously trying to work out the right(ish) time to trade one of the to upgrade Tuck to a premium.

I'd trade Otten out in 2-3 weeks time. Try and keep an eye on DeBoer and Sheldon as they are playing their first games this week and after their second game then downgrade Otten to the one that looks the best and most likely to hold his spot in the team.

Otten's ceiling would be like another 3 weeks max I reckon. Rich possibly the same but alot of people will most likely want to keep him as their 6th midfeilder.

Hope that helps.

 

[Superfluous]

Here is my newbie question. I currently have Rich and Ottens in my midfield. They are both currently averging about the same. If they continue to average around the mark they are currently at, where is their price ceiling? When will their price stop rising? Obviously trying to work out the right(ish) time to trade one of the to upgrade Tuck to a premium.

I'd be keeping both until they get close / over the 400k mark, unless their form turns around dramatically.

Keep an eye on MF guns who aren't playing to their potential at the moment. There should be some tasty trades in a few weeks.

 

[Pedro]

I'd trade Otten out in 2-3 weeks time. Try and keep an eye on DeBoer and Sheldon as they are playing their first games this week and after their second game then downgrade Otten to the one that looks the best and most likely to hold his spot in the team.

Otten's ceiling would be like another 3 weeks max I reckon. Rich possibly the same but alot of people will most likely want to keep him as their 6th midfeilder.

Hope that helps.

Cheers. I sort of thought that was about right. I'm undecided which one to keep/trade to be honest. They've both been about identical in performance, so its a bit of a punt on who will last the season out better I suppose. Need to keep an eye on those 2nd gamers too.

Another question. Is there a formula for working out a players break even score? I'm flying a bit blind in respect of the finer points of the game

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Here is my newbie question. I currently have Rich and Ottens in my midfield. They are both currently averging about the same. If they continue to average around the mark they are currently at, where is their price ceiling? When will their price stop rising? Obviously trying to work out the right(ish) time to trade one of the to upgrade Tuck to a premium.

The formula is to let Walesy do the work for you. Go to www.tooserious.net, register and it provides you with all the details you need.

 

[Pedro]

The formula is to let Walesy do the work for you. Go to www.tooserious.net, register and it provides you with all the details you need.

Cheers mate.

 

[Clunk]

The formula is to let Walesy do the work for you. Go to www.tooserious.net, register and it provides you with all the details you need.

Don't forget 2 donate. Walesy has 14 kids to feed.

 

[FBDonkey]

The same sort of blokes here seem to do well each year. Is there any sort of set template you build your team to or do you just pick those that fit for that year? I'm aiming this question to those who are currently in the top 200.

What would be your best advice for building a team next year that can get in the top 100?

Some of the keys are:
picking 1 superstar in each position. This season i had Goddard, Ablett, Cox and Franklin (last 1 didnt work out so well). Really look for players who are going to improve. Look for players ready to have breakout years (not just posers like Wells). Personally, i love no.1 draft picks like goddard and gibbs.

Also keep a close eye on the draft before it happens to find out who will be good and who will be ready for AFL. Scouring the team and draft boards is helpful for this.

I also agree that having a strong backline is the most important.

I have also had a lot of benefits from players who were injured in the previous season, but have recovered (last season it was simmonds and stevens). This year it has been Houlihan, Higgins, Drummond, Chapman and McIntosh.

Here is my newbie question. I currently have Rich and Ottens in my midfield. They are both currently averging about the same. If they continue to average around the mark they are currently at, where is their price ceiling? When will their price stop rising? Obviously trying to work out the right(ish) time to trade one of the to upgrade Tuck to a premium.

Hate giving advice to collingwood supporters (lol), but after Zaharakis' goal i kind of feel sorry for you so here goes.

I largely agree with a lot of the advice given so far. I have both Otten and Rich as does each of the top 10 teams. I am looking to keep Rich for the long haul and trade Otten. Im thinking i will trade him after 2 more games while his price still includes the 130 from the weekend. Beams should be primed then too so hopefully i can get some1 like dalsanto.

 

[FBDonkey]

Next question to look at (as it will be very important next week):

What are the things you take into consideration when looking to trade out rookies?

 

[Judd_Magic]

Next question to look at (as it will be very important next week):

What are the things you take into consideration when looking to trade out rookies?

A replacement that will still be playing in three games time. <looks at Cheeney>

 

[rage]

Cheeny has been named as an in and on the extended bench, lets hope some time away from seniors has left him hungry. hopefully he gets named.

but a good point judd

 

[FBDonkey]

Cheeny has been named as an in and on the extended bench, lets hope some time away from seniors has left him hungry. hopefully he gets named.

but a good point judd

Cheany was on the extended bench last week. If you look at Melb's bench there are players like Morton, Newton and Robinson. I doubt Cheany will play.