Naitanui -3rd man up

[sammyg77]

This tactic has been employed recently against us and its nullifying his impact around the stoppages. The last three games we have seen Lyon do it, Longmire do it and it happened again last night. Its a major factor as to why we are getting smacked around at the clearances.

Why hasn't Simpson done anything about stopping the oppositions designated 3rd man and why on earth do they try and get Nic to play as a rover when Lycett or Cox is rucking rather than going 3rd man up himself?

Getting Nic to go 3rd man up will cause all sorts of havoc in our forward 50 IMO. A regular player couldn't stop him in the air and if they try blocking him he should get a free kick.

Anyone else noticing this cos I swear the coaches have done bugger all about it and its killing me!!!

 

[lmach]

Naitanui was being mauled at stoppages last night when playing as a rover to Lycett. A Brisbane player (forgot who) was hugging him with his back to the ball in the fourth quarter at one stage. Not sure how the umpire didn't find a free kick.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

This tactic has been employed recently against us and its nullifying his impact around the stoppages. The last three games we have seen Lyon do it, Longmire do it and it happened again last night. Its a major factor as to why we are getting smacked around at the clearances.

Why hasn't Simpson done anything about stopping the oppositions designated 3rd man and why on earth do they try and get Nic to play as a rover when Lycett or Cox is rucking rather than going 3rd man up himself?

Getting Nic to go 3rd man up will cause all sorts of havoc in our forward 50 IMO. A regular player couldn't stop him in the air and if they try blocking him he should get a free kick.

Anyone else noticing this cos I swear the coaches have done bugger all about it and its killing me!!!

You are aloud to block a players run at a stoppage as long as its not the designated ruck and your not holding . It's obvious to block nics run where as other teams u don't know who the third man is !

 

[QS]

He's also quite good by foot.

Shamelessly re-posted.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Shamelessly re-posted.

 

[WCFaithful]

great now my keyboard's wet, cheers

 

[Daveismad]

It's a rule I don't like ....if there is going to be a third man up then what if the other team goes ok we will go,footy man up

I don't like players being able to go third man up ...it kills ruckmen

Ok so if teams are going to do this ...then let the ruckman go at it and let nic nat go third man up ...or would that be fourth man up? See how silly it gets

 

[greennick]

It's a rule I don't like ....if there is going to be a third man up then what if the other team goes ok we will go,footy man up

I don't like players being able to go third man up ...it kills ruckmen

Ok so if teams are going to do this ...then let the ruckman go at it and let nic nat go third man up ...or would that be fourth man up? See how silly it gets

I agree, should only be the designated ruckman that can go for it. Massively increases the risk to these guys with others coming in from unknown directions.

 

[Agent93]

You are aloud to block a players run at a stoppage as long as its not the designated ruck and your not holding . It's obvious to block nics run where as other teams u don't know who the third man is !

Surely there aren't too many midfielders that Nic Nat couldn't push through on the way to the tap.

 

[Agent93]

So... thoughts on Ash Smith - deserve another game? How did Wellinghammer go in the 2s? Does Carter get a run as a thankyou for the late fly out?

Personally, not sure he set the world on fire. He didn't do any particularly hard work to get the two goals, and I don't recall him doing much defensively. Paddy Mac has been showing much more intensity as a comparison.

 

[Snortle]

Nic should play full time on the wing. Who's defending against him there? He'd be unstoppable.

 

[Shupe]

Nic should play full time on the wing. Who's defending against him there? He'd be unstoppable.

You also can't defend him whilst he's sitting on the bench. Doesn't mean that's where he should be played..

 

[Snortle]

You also can't defend him whilst he's sitting on the bench. Doesn't mean that's where he should be played..

Unlike other 'ruckmen' Nic has the ability to break lines and is far more agile.

It's just a shame so many people think 'he's tall and can jump so he MUST be a ruckman'.

He could totally redefine a different role with his size and natural ability. Much the same way Goodes has an even the way Richo played on the wing in his last couple of years.

 

[Daveismad]

Nic should play full time on the wing. Who's defending against him there? He'd be unstoppable.

Sounds good but he doesn't read the play well enough yet

I like the sound of it just needs to sit and watch more footy ....where to lead and when is nic nats biggest issue

 

[Snortle]

Sounds good but he doesn't read the play well enough yet

I like the sound of it just needs to sit and watch more footy ....where to lead and when is nic nats biggest issue

I agree, but trying to make someone who is fast twitch a marathon man is not doing him any favours. He is trying to learn the ruck game - but he should be played in a different position and learn to play that role effectively.

Even having him on the wing gives a rebounding backman a tall target who *should* beat his opponent 9/10 times.

 

[Daveismad]

I agree playing him in variety of ruck roles ...some,times across half back sometimes forward is the go

I think in an ideal world it would be great of Dean cox retires this year and becomes our ruck coach so he can mentor him first hand

 

[Shupe]

I agree, but trying to make someone who is fast twitch a marathon man is not doing him any favours. He is trying to learn the ruck game - but he should be played in a different position and learn to play that role effectively.

Who do you think some of the fittest players on our team our? Gaff and Rosa. Our two wingers. You argue NN is a fast twitch burst player, and not a marathon man. Your suggestion does not compute.

 

[joeyavalanche]

To me nic has been trying to hard to follow instructions through games and it's stifling him. He's so much better when he can just go hunt the ball himself

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

Unlike other 'ruckmen' Nic has the ability to break lines and is far more agile.

It's just a shame so many people think 'he's tall and can jump so he MUST be a ruckman'.

He could totally redefine a different role with his size and natural ability. Much the same way Goodes has an even the way Richo played on the wing in his last couple of years.

Are you kidding? The bloke is lucky to take 2 marks a game and runs around the field like he has NFI where to go or what the game is about.

 

[mick06]

I dont see why he tries to get in a wrestle with the other ruckman. At every stoppage he should be 5 meters away and use his leap to get over the top. No one can block him as hes the designated ruck and opposition ruck cant run past the ball to stop his run.

This seems too simple and i must be missing something

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

I dont see why he tries to get in a wrestle with the other ruckman. At every stoppage he should be 5 meters away and use his leap to get over the top. No one can block him as hes the designated ruck and opposition ruck cant run past the ball to stop his run.

This seems too simple and i must be missing something

He's been a bit too 'coached' by Cox. Next thing he'll be waving his arms around looking at the umpire.

 

[mick06]

To me nic has been trying to hard to follow instructions through games and it's stifling him. He's so much better when he can just go hunt the ball himself

He's been a bit too 'coached' by Cox. Next thing he'll be waving his arms around looking at the umpire.

There might be a fair bit in this. Hes such a natural instinct player that there are too many instructions going through his head

 

[Dark Sharks]

Personally i think boundary ruck contests are just pointless and a stalmate anyway.

Centre bounces sure, NN dominates those and can do some sublime taps. Likewise for Sandi, it's a position where they can really influence a game.

But boundary ruck contests are just one big wrestle, in which there is rarely a clear winner. The ball is often tossed in too shallow anyway so only 1 ruckman actually jumps for it half the time. I'd prefer if NN just conceded the boundary throw in and roved the opposition ruckmans tap, or at least give himself space to jump at the ball cleanly. Watching 2 rucks wrestle for a boundary throw in painful.

 

[flyinghi64]

Why do ump's ask who's going up in throw up's around the ground when it doesn't matter.
You them so "who's up, you up Nic you up Stefan?" then suddenly someone comes crashing through from behind punching it clear.

I've never really been a fan of the 3rd man up and would even welcome a rule where only the designated rucks can go up, just like in centre bounces.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I would love to see NN play a few games at CHB, almost all footballers at some point learn their real trade playing backline. It could be the making of him and he could be a real key player out of CHB.
We have plenty of ruckman and if NN is as good as many think he is then CHB he could become a dominant player which so many think he will become.