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There will be a strategic review conducted within the next 60 days which will show how long it will take and how much it will cost to complete the NBN on the current specifications and what that means both to the taxpayer and to the consumers."


I wonder what the review will find ? Higly politicised id say

Why not conduct a review to find the best way forward, which would lie somewhere between the two schemes
 
Pessimistic said:
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There will be a strategic review conducted within the next 60 days which will show how long it will take and how much it will cost to complete the NBN on the current specifications and what that means both to the taxpayer and to the consumers."


I wonder what the review will find ? Higly politicised id say

Why not conduct a review to find the best way forward, which would lie somewhere between the two schemes
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Turnbull has made it very clear by his comments yesterday it is FTTN or nothing. Doing the review is a waste of time and money, he has already decided the outcome.
 

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Pessimistic said:
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There will be a strategic review conducted within the next 60 days which will show how long it will take and how much it will cost to complete the NBN on the current specifications and what that means both to the taxpayer and to the consumers."

I wonder what the review will find ? Higly politicised id say

Why not conduct a review to find the best way forward, which would lie somewhere between the two schemes
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What do you mean by 'the best way forward, which would lie somewhere between the two schemes'?
 
I think people should wait until the review is completed before passing judgment on it. But their pre-election estimate was to connect as follows

21% Fibre to premises
71% Fibre to the Node
4% Fixed wireless
3% Satelite

They are still talking about connection 2.8 million premises by fibre. FTTP will be deployed in Greenfield sites, where the copper needs replacing, or where there is sufficient demand such as business districts, schools, hospitals, universities etc.

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/assets/Broadband.pdf
 
Lester Burnham said:
I think people should wait until the review is completed before passing judgment on it. But their pre-election estimate was to connect as follows

21% Fibre to premises
71% Fibre to the Node
4% Fixed wireless
3% Satelite

They are still talking about connection 2.8 million premises by fibre. FTTP will be deployed in Greenfield sites, where the copper needs replacing, or where there is sufficient demand such as business districts, schools, hospitals, universities etc.

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/assets/Broadband.pdf
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They are the results of the review....before it even begins.

Ridiculous. Digital Ghettos everywhere.
 
Lester Burnham said:
I think people should wait until the review is completed before passing judgment on it. But their pre-election estimate was to connect as follows

21% Fibre to premises
71% Fibre to the Node
4% Fixed wireless
3% Satelite

They are still talking about connection 2.8 million premises by fibre. FTTP will be deployed in Greenfield sites, where the copper needs replacing, or where there is sufficient demand such as business districts, schools, hospitals, universities etc.

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/assets/Broadband.pdf
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Pessimistics plan would be to keep the coalitions proposes fttp, fixed wireless and satelite, also put current premises served by cable which would be another 30% or three million on the back burner and make the best balanced decision on the remaining 40%, presumably some would be regraded into the fttp group for pure financial reasons

By the time you actually get round to the latter parts, learnings and technology improvements will alter the plan anyway

Given that the whole plan should be to re wire as much of the country as possible into infrastrucure with a lifecycle of decades, i certanly wouldnt be installing from fresh anything which is planned to be replaces in a shorter timeframe.

A better stopgap would be more local wireless technologies or the cable broadband

As you can see i differ quite a bit from the alp plan also, bow it is bipartisan theres no rush to get ti in before the other side rip it out
 
Lester Burnham said:
I think people should wait until the review is completed before passing judgment on it. But their pre-election estimate was to connect as follows

21% Fibre to premises
71% Fibre to the Node
4% Fixed wireless
3% Satelite

They are still talking about connection 2.8 million premises by fibre. FTTP will be deployed in Greenfield sites, where the copper needs replacing, or where there is sufficient demand such as business districts, schools, hospitals, universities etc.

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/assets/Broadband.pdf
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Schools would be about a km apart in most of suburban australia ?

Surely its counter productive to do those but not the houses in the vicinity ?
 
The two articles aren't necessarily inconsistent. You can believe that FTTH is necessary technology without believing that the government should be rolling it out to every doorstep at taxpayer expense.

Personally I'd be quite happy with a proposal along the lines of what has happened in the UK, where the government rolled out FTTN as standard with the option of FTTH for those who actually need it enough to pay the additional costs. It's a flexible approach that keeps government expenditure down and makes effective use of existing assets and the private sector.

I understand that all the tech-heads want the latest and greatest and damn the cost, but that's not exactly how government is supposed to work.
 

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You can read that the alp plan wasnt totally fttp and the coalition would use some

I still think the finished product will be somwhere between the two, will take longer than advertised, will cost more, but will pay for itself, so none of it will matter
 
Pessimistic said:
Because it will be built to last.
People try to paint it as some kind of weird experiment. Its just infrastructure
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Heard it all before Pess. Governments always lie. Public servants rarely have a clue. Doesn't matter which government is in power. Lie upon lie upon lie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18855961

Europe has already bailed out Spanish banks, now Spain's regions are clamouring for money from central government - and one of the reasons for this is their lavish spending on white elephant building projects, such as the airport at Ciudad Real, south of Madrid

It has one of the longest runways in Europe but today there are no planes, only hawks and falcons gliding in the still heat over the arid yellow landscape of Don Quixote's Castilla La Mancha

"Expert studies commissioned by the airport investors said it would create 6,000 jobs and a boom for the economy. There would have been a before and after for Ciudad Real."
 

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Caesar said:
The two articles aren't necessarily inconsistent. You can believe that FTTH is necessary technology without believing that the government should be rolling it out to every doorstep at taxpayer expense.

Personally I'd be quite happy with a proposal along the lines of what has happened in the UK, where the government rolled out FTTN as standard with the option of FTTH for those who actually need it enough to pay the additional costs. It's a flexible approach that keeps government expenditure down and makes effective use of existing assets and the private sector.

I understand that all the tech-heads want the latest and greatest and damn the cost, but that's not exactly how government is supposed to work.
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This is my view. Government provides the opportunity for individuals and businesses to connect to fibre - individuals take advantage of that at their own expense.

Not exactly a scientific piece of evidence but it seems most people bleating about FTTN on my facebook and in my life in general are people who want super fast internet to play games on.
 
Pessimistic said:
Oh and public servants havent a clue because they sack all the competent ones and spend money on spin doctors
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They don't sack them, they give them enormous voluntary redundancies. Taxpayers get bent over.

Just as they will re the NBN.

Taxpayers always lose. That is how government works.

This time is not different.
 
medusala said:
They don't sack them, they give them enormous voluntary redundancies. Taxpayers get bent over.

Just as they will re the NBN.

Taxpayers always lose. That is how government works.

This time is not different.
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Enormous ? Youre thinking about pollie's trough buddies not ordinary australians
 
Pessimistic said:
Enormous ? Youre thinking about pollie's trough buddies not ordinary australians
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Pess, they are all in it together. Pollies, public "servants", big business, unions and especially "charities".

The rest of us pick up the bill (well those who actually contribute NET)

I agree with you Brer Rabbit and his Lib mates will be rubbish. Same turd, different side. Still stinks, still cant flush it.
 

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