Society/Culture National Take Back Australia Day

[Carn The Berries]

I appreciate the response, GS. I'm ok with picketing health care clinics, which is my only point of disagreement.

So you're ok with people picketing health clinics where people may need to go for a termination for medical reasons? They they should just suck up being abused on their way in because they're making a "choice"?

So much compassion...

 

[GrayRanga]

So you're ok with people picketing health clinics where people may need to go for a termination for medical reasons? They they should just suck up being abused on their way in because they're making a "choice"?

So much compassion...

Many long years ago, prior to the arrival of our 1st child, we had necessity to attend the reproductive clinics held at the major teaching hospitals in Melbourne, the Royal Women's Hospital was one such clinic

One day prior to an appointment, I dropped my wife outside whilst I sought a car park. Coming back I saw a number of anti abortion protester corralling my wife with both men and women (past child-bearing age) blocking her passage to the hospital with signs and attempting to thrust pamphlets into her hands.

There were a pair of cops observing, and seeing the murderous intent in my eyes, moved the protesters away allowing free access to a public hospital. One of the cops apologised

We were trying to get pregnant for ****'s sake!

These group of Christians by the signs they displayed were blocking access to a Public Hospital where a number of treatment and investigations. A definite lack of compassion or insight into why different people might need to access medical treatment in a Public Hospital.

Given the Original Poster's posts, he would definately fit within the God Botherers passing passing judgement on others as he lacks one iota of compassion, empathy or insight into other

 

[evolved2]

So you're ok with people picketing health clinics where people may need to go for a termination for medical reasons? They they should just suck up being abused on their way in because they're making a "choice"?

So much compassion...

I'm ok with people peacefully protesting for causes I disagree with, in ways I disagree with.

Good luck finding a better framework for dealing with protesters that doesn't bite you on the ass.

 

[Carn The Berries]

I'm ok with people peacefully protesting for causes I disagree with, in ways I disagree with.

Good luck finding a better framework for dealing with protesters that doesn't bite you on the ass.

Yep... Because they always protest peacefully and are just showing how strong their Christian values are by mocking/abusing people who might be having a medically necessary termination.

GrayRanga has just described the exact situation I'm talking about. I too know of people who have had to deal with the same thing.

Like I said... So compassionate.

 

[evolved2]

Yep... Because they always protest peacefully and are just showing how strong their Christian values are by mocking/abusing people who might be having a medically necessary termination.

GrayRanga has just described the exact situation I'm talking about. I too know of people who have had to deal with the same thing.

Like I said... So compassionate.

How do you propose we treat each cause and protest in a way that's fair to all?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How do you propose we treat each cause and protest in a way that's fair to all?

It's weird that you flip out over climate/environmental protesters, but are happy for extreme christians to harass people seeking medical treatment.

 

[evolved2]

It's weird that you flip out over climate/environmental protesters, but are happy for extreme christians to harass people seeking medical treatment.

I don't care until people are blocked from freely going wherever they need to go. If Christians are blocking people from attending medical treatment, move them on. Same goes for JSO, cookers, free Palestine, whatever the cause is.

If they're shouting at clouds on the footpath, meh. Let them.

Probably not going to be a popular position here, but I believe it's a position I can apply consistently. Better than your Carlton v Collingwood thing, yeah?

 

[Carringbush2010]

The issue at hand is the decline in living standards

Like I said this is not the result / fault of migrants. Even though the govt / media tell us so

So... we don't have enough houses because there aren't too many people? How are we running out of houses if there aren't more people looking for accommodation than can find it?

And weren't you the one telling us five minutes ago that the funds are available if needed?

The funds are there, we're just told there not. Willing to bet they are.

Guilty of a conspiracy theory, couldn't care less, reckon the money is there. For whatever reason(s) govt or more accurately individuals in govt. and private enterprise have a vested interest in 'not improving' the supply side of the housing issue. Just tell the electorate 'we don't hav da munny' or 'blame developers and red tape'.

We are - with regard to planned migration.
Planned migration, once again, is not the issue.

No disagreement, but what do we do about the unplanned then? Just be aholes and turn everyone away? Personally, on face value we seem a little bit easy on unplanned migrants - but I don't wanna be that country that is a rigid hard ass.

'Nah F*** you, you're not comin in!'

I think there should be a bit more balance in that.

Why not? What are "they" going to do if we decide to reduce unplanned migration down to more manageable levels?
Economic sanctions? Or maybe we'll be invaded by the USA, who knows.

See above.

 

[NSWCROW]

Bog-brain strategy to schedule it for the day of the supercars Grand Final lol

 

[Episode IV]

Like I said this is not the result / fault of migrants. Even though the govt / media tell us so

I disagree - it is.
If there is a shortage of housing and the population is being increased by means of migration only, and when some (most, actually) of those migrants have skirted the law in coming here, and then find themselves in competition with legal migrants and locals for housing - then it becomes a pretty simple equation.

No disagreement, but what do we do about the unplanned then? Just be aholes and turn everyone away? Personally, on face value we seem a little bit easy on unplanned migrants - but I don't wanna be that country that is a rigid hard ass.

'Nah F*** you, you're not comin in!'

That would be my response.
These are people who have already demonstrated a willingness to ignore or dismiss the legal avenues - and they are not refugees.
So screw them. We have absolutely no obligation to economic migrants, and particularly not when we can't even affordably and reasonably house everyone already here. And no, I'm not interested in cheap options either.

 

[Carringbush2010]

and when some (most, actually) of those migrants have skirted the law in coming here

Do you have evidence that most migrants are 'skirting' the law coming here? Or have I misread your post?

That would be my response.

It is also my sentiment against those that try game the system, but I wouldn't be harsh on those legitimately trying to get here

These are people who have already demonstrated a willingness to ignore or dismiss the legal avenues

Again, yes those people should be turned around (and probably are), and again I'm talking about the unplanned that don't have nefarious intent i:e entering illegally.

I think we've got our wires crossed here Episode.

I wouldn't be empathetic to migrants entering by 'cheating' or gaming the system to get in at the expense of someone else and at the expense of the rest of us.

However I am empathetic to those who come here legally or those that need a leg up, like refugees or 'unplanned'.

I'm going to fairly assume you thought I meant I'd 'look the other way' for those trying to cheat the system?

 

[Carringbush2010]

I disagree - it is.
If there is a shortage of housing and the population is being increased by means of migration only,

Agree to disagree.

While I don't have evidence (no one has), I'm more than certain govt. and private enterprise have the capital, resource and know how to build infrastructure, including housing to accomodate the population.

For whatever reason, they don't want to, I fairly suspect there's vested interest at play. Us the electorate is told differently. But I'm not buying that.

So if I am correct, and that is a fair assumption, then obviously lack of infrastructure is NOT the result of immigration, it's the result of govt. and private enterprise for their own benefit at the cost of the rest of us.

 

[Cyg1992]

It's weird that you flip out over climate/environmental protesters, but are happy for extreme christians to harass people seeking medical treatment.

It's a way of bothsidesing protests that clearly aren't close to being equal. Standard tactic from centrists

 

[Episode IV]

Agree to disagree.

While I don't have evidence (no one has), I'm more than certain govt. and private enterprise have the capital, resource and know how to build infrastructure, including housing to accomodate the population.

For whatever reason, they don't want to, I fairly suspect there's vested interest at play. Us the electorate is told differently. But I'm not buying that.

So if I am correct, and that is a fair assumption, then obviously lack of infrastructure is NOT the result of immigration, it's the result of govt. and private enterprise for their own benefit at the cost of the rest of us.

I think you're entirely missing the point.
Which is... why should they have to?

As far as my tax dollars go... if I'm given a choice (which I'm not, and therein lies a problem) between building new infrastructure for new arrivals, and maintaining and modernizing that which already exists for those who are already here... Well. Pretty sure you and everyone else knows which way I'm going to jump on that one.

Why are you so concerned with the scramble to accommodate increasing numbers when we don't need to increase the numbers? Have you ever thought about why you're being encouraged to think in those terms?

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think you're entirely missing the point.
Which is... why should they have to?

As far as my tax dollars go... if I'm given a choice (which I'm not, and therein lies a problem) between building new infrastructure for new arrivals, and maintaining and modernizing that which already exists for those who are already here... Well. Pretty sure you and everyone else knows which way I'm going to jump on that one.

Why are you so concerned with the scramble to accommodate increasing numbers when we don't need to increase the numbers? Have you ever thought about why you're being encouraged to think in those terms?

I think you're entirely missing the point.

This isn't 'build more infrastructure coz immigrants'

It's build more infrastructure because you CAN but you lie to us and tell us you CAN'T..(from govt and private enterprise)

 

[Episode IV]

I think you're entirely missing the point.

This isn't 'build more infrastructure coz immigrants'

It's build more infrastructure because you CAN but you lie to us and tell us you CAN'T..(from govt and private enterprise)

Why should we keep increasing the population, Carrington?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Why should we keep increasing the population, Carrington?

When did I say we should increase it?

 

[kranky al]

SMRs are something that is not so outrageous and a long way from the large modern nuclear power plants like sizewell b. Perhaps the biggest issue with them is that they haven't actually been proven yet in a commercial sense - there could be any number of issues and cost blow outs - very common things in the nuclear industry.
The libs effectively killed the opportunity to consider integrating them into the energy mix (and I am not saying they really have a place, but they might). Policy born from a kneejerk reaction to the hard right and their lunatic hatred of renewables. It was irresponsible policy - putting all our energy needs to an unproven technology. And sold extremely badly. Did the nuclear industry more harm than good.

What concerns me about smr’s is the security aspects. An inviting target that can’t be secured cost effectively like a larger plant can.