NBA Live 2002

[Fall Out Boy]

Get it......

I just played it this morning, man is this game good, even MJ's back in the game.

YOu can even play the GM in franchise mode

Worth every cent

 

[Bucks]

can u burn a copy for me??? plz! im poor...

 

[jod23]

P&P, you have a PSX 2 im assuming and if you do just get NBA2K2, its way better. Live is a little slow, it doesnt have the new rules changes such as added zone defences, you cant pass or shoot out of a spin move or crossover, you have to complete the move first which is annoying....it doesnt have the post up game of NBA2K2, its not as smooth and it doesnt sound as good.

Overall NBA2K2 ****s all over it. Trust me P&P, before you rave on about Live, play 2k2.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23
P&P, you have a PSX 2 im assuming and if you do just get NBA2K2, its way better. Live is a little slow, it doesnt have the new rules changes such as added zone defences, you cant pass or shoot out of a spin move or crossover, you have to complete the move first which is annoying....it doesnt have the post up game of NBA2K2, its not as smooth and it doesnt sound as good.

Overall NBA2K2 ****s all over it. Trust me P&P, before you rave on about Live, play 2k2.

Have you played LIve? It only got released yesterday.

I've found over the years that the EA Sports BBall titles are clearly superior to ANY of the competitors.

I haven't noticed any real problems with Live, as for the post up game well i thought it was pretty damn good.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


Have you played LIve? It only got released yesterday.

I've found over the years that the EA Sports BBall titles are clearly superior to ANY of the competitors.

I haven't noticed any real problems with Live, as for the post up game well i thought it was pretty damn good.

I too am a huge fan of the Live series and it pains me to know that they have lost there mantle as the best BBall game around. That title sits squarely in the hands of Sega Sports and NBA2K2. This in from IGN.com, one of the best gaming sites around.

NBA LIVE 2002

Presentation
Great in-game presentation with some nice new letterboxed replays. The load times are no longer a problem, but there are some navigational issues with the menus. 8.0
Graphics
This is a good-looking basketball game. It could use some better transition animation, but the new lay-ups and dunks are sweet. 8.5
Sound
There's nothing really bad to say about the commentary except that it's a little dry at times. The crowd sounds a little more real this time around. 8.5
Gameplay
It's faster and a little more responsive than last year, but there are still problems with things like spin moves, rebounding and the AI of CPU players. 7.0
Lasting Appeal
If Live is your game, the addition of the Franchise mode will keep you busy for months. 9.0
OVERALL SCORE (not an average)
7.6

 

[jod23]

Now the review from the same website on 2K2.

NBA 2K2

Presentation
Cool menu system, great replay angles, and a really nice intro movie. The game is stylin'. 9.2
Graphics
Character faces look really good, and all the new animations give the game a fresh look. 9.3
Sound
Cool rap intro music and the sound effects - especially in Street mode - are very good. Commentary still needs some work. 9.0
Gameplay
The added play mechanics of stealing passes and zone defenses make this a much more intelligent basketball game... but you can still go strong to the hole with some thunder. 9.4
Lasting Appeal
A good - but unchanged - Franchise mode, arcade-like Street mode, and online play rounds out a game filled with great extra play modes. You'll be playing this one for awhile. 9.5
OVERALL SCORE (not an average)
9.4

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Yes but have you actually played Live? Given that it was only released yesterday, through only one chain that has stores in Melbourne and Sydney only.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Yes but have you actually played Live? Given that it was only released yesterday, through only one chain that has stores in Melbourne and Sydney only.

No i havent actually played it but from what i hear it gets shat on by 2K2 which i will own in a couple of weeks.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23


No i havent actually played it but from what i hear it gets shat on by 2K2 which i will own in a couple of weeks.

Man you are too funny to be serious Jod.

You've completely bagged the **** out of the game and you haven't even played it, hell you ain't even seen it.

Do you believe everything you read?

This is both classical and hysterical at the same time

2K2 may well be better but to decide merely on reviews just has to be a gag.

BTW I dunno where you got the idea that you can't should whilst spinning, i've been doing it all do with Michael Finley and Dirk Nowitski

Also there is a complete set of seperate moves made specifically for posting up, including the jump hook, the new fadeaway and the spin.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


Man you are too funny to be serious Jod.

You've completely bagged the **** out of the game and you haven't even played it, hell you ain't even seen it.

Do you believe everything you read?

This is both classical and hysterical at the same time

2K2 may well be better but to decide merely on reviews just has to be a gag.

BTW I dunno where you got the idea that you can't should whilst spinning, i've been doing it all do with Michael Finley and Dirk Nowitski

Also there is a complete set of seperate moves made specifically for posting up, including the jump hook, the new fadeaway and the spin.

Well if the reviews were somewhat close i would consider Live being good but 7.6 to 9.4........And the guys job is to review the game and he says you cannot pass or shoot during a spin move or crossover which he says is very annoying as you are only open for a second and thats when you need to pull up for the J but you cant because you have to finish the move...

From IGN.com

The other areas on the other hand, still are major concerns. The animation for a spin move, while a bit tighter and quicker moving than it was in Live 2001, is still a bit overstated and because of this, the move is pretty useless and will often take your player unwillingly out of bounds. And it's pretty rare that you'll ever be able to use any of these moves, whether it be the spin move, crossover, juke or between the leg dribble, to actually get around a defender because they happen too slow and often leave you without control for a brief period after the move is completed. This moment of being out of control is most noticeable when doing a spin move of drop step when posting up a defender. Once in the spin animation, there's no way to stop and pull up for a jump shot, as you have to wait until the full animation is completed, which often allows beaten defenders to recover. Because of this, the post game really leaves a lot to be desired. Sure, there might be good moves that you can actually control in the post, including a hook shot and fade-away, but the quick drop step and shot is one of the most often used post moves down low and it's almost completely useless here because of the problem with getting stuck in an animation.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

This just gets better Jod, i suggest you actually hire the game when it eventually makes it's way over to WA.

I think you actually need to try it before condemning it based purely on one reviewer's OPINION.

You are my idol Jod, always capable of making me laugh.

Cheers
Slim

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
This just gets better Jod, i suggest you actually hire the game when it eventually makes it's way over to WA.

I think you actually need to try it before condemning it based purely on one reviewer's OPINION.

You are my idol Jod, always capable of making me laugh.

Cheers
Slim

Well i own 2K so i know now good there series is and all i have heard is bad reviews from Live....either way in a couple of weeks i will own the best Basketball game on any system...NBA2K2!!

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23


Well i own 2K so i know now good there series is and all i have heard is bad reviews from Live....either way in a couple of weeks i will own the best Basketball game on any system...NBA2K2!!

I actually read two reviews that said it was a great game, but of course i tried it out before i decided though

 

[thehardaway]

Live

As a big PS2 and NBA fan, I am really looking forward to Live 2002. I do, however, think it is madness to criticise a game you have never played, because a magazine said it wasn't as good. I have high confidence in EA Sports they usually deliver. I have found most NBA games by other companies just don't deliver.

 

[Bucks]

well... how about someone who has NBA LIVE 2002 on PC burn it for me so i can see if its any good...

 

[coxon]

Originally posted by Bucks
well... how about someone who has NBA LIVE 2002 on PC burn it for me so i can see if its any good...

its not out on PC.. as yet..
but i did hear that it wasnt gonna come on pc... $(*&#@!

 

[gPhonque]

Re: Live

Originally posted by thehardaway
I have high confidence in EA Sports they usually deliver. I have found most NBA games by other companies just don't deliver.

"EA Sports usually deliver" ???

You're kidding - about the only thing they ever deliver is the same crap every year over and over and over.

Sure, some of their games look pretty but they generally all play like shhit. Or more to the point, EA games generally don't play like the game they're supposed to be simulating.

NBA2k2 on the other hand forces you to play basketball and not just press buttons on a controller. THAT is a good sports game.

But then again, i suppose EA games would seem fantastic if they are all you've ever played in your life.....

NBA2k2 comes out on PS2 on Jan18th 2002 (it's out already on DC) and i suggest you basketball-heads check it out. You might realise how lame EA really are.

"If it's in the game, it's in the game" - yeah, everything but the gameplay!

cheers

 

[thehardaway]

First things first. You are saying how good a game is before you have played it. That makes you not only brainless but incompetent of passing good judgment on a game. I think EA make good games, you dont like them, fine, thats your OPINION. But since you are comparing a game out now that is very playable, as to one not even on the shelves yet, your opinion means about as much to me as dog turd. When NBA2k2 comes out I will compare it then, but until that time I will play whatever game I want. NBA Live is out now, and worth while. And gee I hope you enjoy playing your NBA2k2 at the moment. Oh right , its not out yet, and since you don't like Live you will be basketball less. Too bad!

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by thehardaway
First things first. You are saying how good a game is before you have played it.

No i'm not - i own NBA2k2 on Dreamcast.

That makes you not only brainless but incompetent of passing good judgment on a game.

No. In fact, it makes you "brainless" and "incompetent of passing good judgement on a game" since YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED NBA2k2.

I think EA make good games, you dont like them, fine, thats your OPINION.

You only think they make good games because that's all you've ever played.

But since you are comparing a game out now that is very playable, as to one not even on the shelves yet, your opinion means about as much to me as dog turd.

Well, it doesn't as i, unlike you, have played both. So it actually makes my opinion much more worthwhile than yours.

When NBA2k2 comes out I will compare it then, but until that time I will play whatever game I want. NBA Live is out now, and worth while.

Of course! I'm just saying (as a favour to you, not me) that if you're a basketball head, you'll love NBA2k2. End of story. When you check it out, i'd like to hear your opinion. As long as the PS2 version is as good as the Dreamcast version, then i stand by my stance that it will shhit on Live. (as will everyone else in the world who has actually played both games.......go do your own research and you'll find it's true. )

And gee I hope you enjoy playing your NBA2k2 at the moment.

I am! On Dreamcast! (as i stated in my first post!)

Oh right , its not out yet, and since you don't like Live you will be basketball less. Too bad!

No, i'm playing it on Dreamcast!. You could always go out and buy a Dreamcast and enjoy NBA2k2 now as well if you wanted..........but i guess you feel "secure" with your EA piece of shhit hey?

cheers!

 

[thehardaway]

Ohh Dreamcast thats right, are Sega still alive? Just by you saying you have a Dreamcast says enough to me. Then again I guess any basketball game would have to be good with the ****e games they have. Play NBA Live then criticise it, I will do the same with NBA2k2. But atm Live is out on PS2, NBA2k2 aint.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by thehardaway
Ohh Dreamcast thats right, are Sega still alive?

Yes they are. They've just become the world biggest 3rd party developer/publisher in fact. And any real gamer will tell you that Sega games are better than EA games. Like i said - rather than just going out and mindlessly buying a PS2 because Sony told you to, you should do some research on these things or you'll look like an idiot.

Just by you saying you have a Dreamcast says enough to me.

For a start - what do you actually know about the Dreamcast?

This might help you out a little:

http://gamespot.zdnet.pt/forum/messages/4889.shtml

What about if i told you i work for a developer and i'm surrounded by games every day?

I bought my DC at launch and it's been by far the best console i've ever owned. And i've owned everything execept the N64.

Then again I guess any basketball game would have to be good with the ****e games they have.

What are the ****e games you speak of? Have you played any? Name them. (and using basketball games is a very bad example considering every person person who has played them and every review score says that NBA2k1 & NBA2k2 are the best basketball games ever made!)

Play NBA Live then criticise it, I will do the same with NBA2k2. But atm Live is out on PS2, NBA2k2 aint.

I have played Live!!!!!!! So have all the people who say NBA2k2 is a far better game! So much better it's not funny.

And you should play a DC before you criticise it.

Do some research dude before you make stupid posts bagging the Dreamcast when you don't know a thing about it.

Also, just to show you that i'm certainly not alone when i say NBA2k2 shhits on Live, have you heard of www.gamerankings.com ?

It's a website that has links to reviews of games, from all the major gaming websites, and the smaller sites too, and it gives you an average review score for each game based on all the individual review scores from all the sites. (much more accurate than going on one review from one person.)

The average review score for NBA Live 2001 is 76.0%.

The average review score for NBA 2k2 is 93.60%.

Go figure.

(in fact, just looking at the review scores for last years NBA2k1 - the lowest review score it got was 80%!!!!! That's out of 43 reviews too. Thought you might find that interesting, especially considering Live's average score is 76%....from 41 reviews.....)

And dude - i'm not trying to have a go at you - just trying to make you aware that there's better games out there. You're obviously not a "harcore gamer". ( i hate that term! lol) I am though. (i work on games every day - i have no choice!). You can listen to me if you like, or you keep clinging to your "EA games are the best" philosophy whilst missing out on the best basketball gaming experience ever. Up to you.

Perhaps if you'd actually done a bit of research before buying a PS2, you could have actually been playing some of the best games ever made for the past couple of years. All on Dreamcast. (you do realise don't you that the DC is acknowledged by those who know as being the best console ever in terms of quality games?)

You told me not to bag something i haven't played. (even though i have.) Perhaps you should take your own advice and actually learn something about the DC before you bag it.

PS2 isn't any better than DC. I'd like to hear why you think it is. (which you obviously do.) Although, perhaps the link above might clear things up for you a little. Might even make you regret buying a PS2.....although i understand as there's games i wanted on it too.)

cheers!

 

[thehardaway]

Considering I have been playing games for many years, you can stick the any real gamer comment up your arse. I've owned everything from a sega master system, to the megadrive, N64, PS 1 and 2. Sony didnt "tell" me to buy one, I was skeptical at first, and only recently got it. I prefer to fully scope out a machine before blowing hundreds of dollars. I know what I'm on about, so I won't look like an idiot when I say in my opinion the PS2 is a far better machine.

You can tell me you are a developer, or a programmer, or Bill Gates for all I care. You think that is going to change my opinion? That I will suddenly see the light and buy a Dreamcast? You prefer the DC, so be it, I hope for your sake they are still producing games for it in a few years because even Sega have admitted they have little faith in it.

The reason Sega is turning into the biggest 3rd party developer/publisher is because they are admitting that their machines are struggling, and that they financially cannot cope with the lack of sales of the Dream Cast.

I have played a Dreamcast, my mate had one and I borrowed it for a month and I thought it was pathetic. Again my opinion. As for reviews, they don't mean alot to me, unless I try a game for myself. I couldn't care if everyone said it was 100% game, I would try before I buy unless I really wanted it.

Back to the hardcore gamer thing, I've played game after game and owned system after system. I wont live and die by them no, but I spend alot of hours on there when I get a game I like. If the game sucks, I dont spend as much time on there.

I was not impressed with the DC's graphics, nor the styles of gamplay. Though the dvd player on the PS2 isnt very good, it is an added feature. I find the playability better on the PS2. Could it be perhaps the reason why there are so many "high ranking" games on DC is that not many companies are producing games for it? You cant stop a **** game coming out, there will always be a few. So since I have played it and didn't like it, does that give me the right to bag it?

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by thehardaway
Considering I have been playing games for many years, you can stick the any real gamer comment up your arse. I've owned everything from a sega master system, to the megadrive, N64, PS 1 and 2. Sony didnt "tell" me to buy one, I was skeptical at first, and only recently got it. I prefer to fully scope out a machine before blowing hundreds of dollars. I know what I'm on about, so I won't look like an idiot when I say in my opinion the PS2 is a far better machine.

You can tell me you are a developer, or a programmer, or Bill Gates for all I care. You think that is going to change my opinion? That I will suddenly see the light and buy a Dreamcast? You prefer the DC, so be it, I hope for your sake they are still producing games for it in a few years because even Sega have admitted they have little faith in it.

Well, any real gamer would know that Sega have already more than likely released their last game for the DC. In fact, they announced last January that the final games (that they were developing anyway) would come out about the end of this year.

Yes - the DC is dead. I'm not denying that. But come on - what did you expect!? Did you really think they were going to be able to compete with Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony? Sega are a poor little "games only" company compared to them. Nintendo are the next closest thing, but they've racked up enough money iwth Pokemon to do what ever they please. The Dreamcast's death has nothing to do with a lack of quality games - some of the best games of all time have been released on it. Have you played Shenmue? Jet Set Radio? Ferrari 355? Daytona? NBA2k1 & 2k2? NFL2k1 & 2k2? VO:OT? Soul Calibur? Zero Gunner 2? Virtua Tennis? Tennis 2k2? Space Channel 5? Skies Of Arcadia? Sonic Adventure 2?? etc etc.

My guess is you haven't.

You seem to think that because the DC died, it's a box of shhit.

What games did you play that put you off it so much? I'd be really interested to hear.

The reason Sega is turning into the biggest 3rd party developer/publisher is because they are admitting that their machines are struggling, and that they financially cannot cope with the lack of sales of the Dream Cast.

As i've explained above - they were never going to be able to compete against the others. They've done the best thing possible - you'll now be able to play Sonic on a Nintendo console! Or their 2kx Sports series games on all 3 consoles! Which is a great thing for gaming. But it doesn't make the DC worthless. Despite what you may believe about the PS2, there's not really much difference in the 2 consoles - DC has it's strengths, and the PS2 has it's own strengths. I'd say the DC is the better looking of the two, and better sounding of the two. And most "gamers" who have played both and aren't biased believe the same thing.

I'm not biased against Sony. But the fact is - DC has better games and is better looking. And the fact that it's pretty much dead is tragic for gaming.

Also, it was actually a success in the US given it's short lifespan. The first console to feature online gaming - people went nuts playing NBA2k1 and NFL2k1 online, Phantasy Star Online, Daytona etc. It's just a shame that Sony lied to people in order to make them believe they had a super console when in actual fact, the DC was the superior of the two. And people (such as yourself) believed it. It's only now that there's people all over the world starting to realise that the PS2 isn't really any better than the DC.

I have played a Dreamcast, my mate had one and I borrowed it for a month and I thought it was pathetic. Again my opinion. As for reviews, they don't mean alot to me, unless I try a game for myself. I couldn't care if everyone said it was 100% game, I would try before I buy unless I really wanted it.

Perhaps you should read reviews more often? And i'd love to know which games you played that you say were so "pathetic".

Back to the hardcore gamer thing, I've played game after game and owned system after system. I wont live and die by them no, but I spend alot of hours on there when I get a game I like. If the game sucks, I dont spend as much time on there.

And that's my entire point! You're wasting time playing Live when you could have been enjoying NBA2k1 for the past year which is a far better game!

I was not impressed with the DC's graphics, nor the styles of gamplay.

Which games?

Though the dvd player on the PS2 isnt very good, it is an added feature. I find the playability better on the PS2. Could it be perhaps the reason why there are so many "high ranking" games on DC is that not many companies are producing games for it? You cant stop a **** game coming out, there will always be a few. So since I have played it and didn't like it, does that give me the right to bag it?

Which games did you play? Of course there's a lot of shhit games on every console. (they just happen to heavily outweight the GOOD games on the PS2....) I've also played some of the worst games i've ever seen on the DC - but there certainly weren't any SEGA games amongst them. And that is the DC's biggest strength (and weakness ) - the amount of awesome games Sega released for it that people such as yourself have absolutely no idea even exist.

cheers!

 

[Fall Out Boy]

So when is this game out on PS2?

After all the talk i'm gonna have to get hold of it and Gphonque, if its crap i'm gonna have to chase you down and give you a beating

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
So when is this game out on PS2?

After all the talk i'm gonna have to get hold of it and Gphonque, if its crap i'm gonna have to chase you down and give you a beating

The PS2 version is released on Jan 18th in the US, and probably a month or two later over here. You can always import it though but it'll cost you a little more.

If the PS2 version is half as good as the DC version, it will rock. (and still crap all over Live... )

cheers!