Need a CHF

[ibra]

It's not a gift at all. We don't have a third tall, we don't even have a full time 2nd tall because Vickery has to go into the ruck. We need a third tall so the best 3rd tall at our club should be playing. A.Edwards is NOT TALL and thus shouldn't be playing that role. We should be picking from Astbury, Griffiths, Elton or McBean. The best one plays if their form drops the next best comes in. It is pretty simple and to say we don't gift games is incorrect. Vlastuin got games before players who were more deserving, played well in a few then his form dropped. I don't mind playing him because he has potential but the rule needs to be applied to all positions. We won't be winning a flag with the group we have on the field at the moment and one of the key players we need is another tall surely it would make sense to take the risk. We have been so far ahead in most games we have won this year that it wouldn't have made a difference if one of our young talls played.

If your aforementioned players performed like vlaustin, they would have been given more games and rewarded their spot back after coming back from injury, as vlasutin did. Vlaustin made an immediate impact.

But they didnt and continue to struggle at VFL. Why would they been given a shot at AFL which is more competitive than VFL?

 

[Grockadoc]

been saying this for the past two years ... need a meduim sized player who can play mid and forward i reckon its out next move in free agency please raid GWS and Suns for this

Have Brett O'Hanlon and Matt McDonough, both running around in the VFL, both looking very promising. The are we need to look at for the Forward line other than a CHF, is a small, crumbing forward, now Sheds is spending more time in the middle.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Have Brett O'Hanlon and Matt McDonough, both running around in the VFL, both looking very promising. The are we need to look at for the Forward line other than a CHF, is a small, crumbing forward, now Sheds is spending more time in the middle.

I hope O'hanlon can come in and take Griggs spot and develop into a Shane Edwards type , outside mid/ half forward type with the odd occasional inside mid role .
I hope RFC never try to develop a specialized small forward ever again , there is no place in the game for one dimensional players .

 

[NUFC Tiger]

So does the club - Leppa said today that Edwards was backup but because Griff and Elton haven't come on, he's playing.

That's good to hear they are rated internally. I'd love for them to be getting a game but not being gifted games - they should have to earn their spots on merit and at the moment, Edwards is playing well and doing his job. Up to those guys to try and stake a claim.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

If your aforementioned players performed like vlaustin, they would have been given more games and rewarded their spot back after coming back from injury, as vlasutin did. Vlaustin made an immediate impact.

But they didnt and continue to struggle at VFL. Why would they been given a shot at AFL which is more competitive than VFL?

You may find it surprising, but sometimes it can actually be easier to get a kick in a higher grade **if your are a good player** than in a lower grade.

Better structure, game plan, team skill level, and blokes not running around trying to look after themselves to get a spot in the seniors.

Now it doesnt mean anyone will prosper when they move up to a better standard, some aren't up to it, but good young players who are mentally ready can find the higher level allows them to operate with a better output.

They physically ready argument to me doesnt mean to much in terms of size, these KPP are playing against strong fully grown men int he VFL, the difference is their aerobic capicty in the AFL, so if they are too small for the AFL, they will more than like be too small for the VFL also...

 

[theflea]

That's good to hear they are rated internally. I'd love for them to be getting a game but not being gifted games - they should have to earn their spots on merit and at the moment, Edwards is playing well and doing his job. Up to those guys to try and stake a claim.

This is why I don't agree with the premise that the club has ruined his and others development as that means it is a deliberate ploy to not play them in their traditional position.

 

[Grockadoc]

I hope O'hanlon can come in and take Griggs spot and develop into a Shane Edwards type , outside mid/ half forward type with the odd occasional inside mid role .
I hope RFC never try to develop a specialized small forward ever again , there is no place in the game for one dimensional players .

I agree with all of this bar the bolded, TRIB I don't think O'Hanlon will be a Shane Edwards type. To me, he resembles another player on our list. Chris Knights. O'Hanlon is probably a better overhead mark and quicker though. If O'Hanlon can become the player Knights threatened to be before injury, we will have a gem.

I think there is a place for specialised small forwards in the game, but they need to have more than one string to their bow. Nahas does not, King does (Marginally), Shedwards isn't a specialised small forward now. Our team is right for KPF at the moment, our Medium Forwards are building, we just need the crumbing small forward who can capitalise on the double teaming of our Key Forwards. That is why I want us to look at Willie Rioli. Lightning quick, fantastic skills and a dead eye in front of goal. He is slight framed though. Very slight.

 

[jreesosb]

I agree with all of this bar the bolded, TRIB I don't think O'Hanlon will be a Shane Edwards type. To me, he resembles another player on our list. Chris Knights. O'Hanlon is probably a better overhead mark and quicker though. If O'Hanlon can become the player Knights threatened to be before injury, we will have a gem.

I think there is a place for specialised small forwards in the game, but they need to have more than one string to their bow. Nahas does not, King does (Marginally), Shedwards isn't a specialised small forward now. Our team is right for KPF at the moment, our Medium Forwards are building, we just need the crumbing small forward who can capitalise on the double teaming of our Key Forwards. That is why I want us to look at Willie Rioli. Lightning quick, fantastic skills and a dead eye in front of goal. He is slight framed though. Very slight.

I hear you Grockadoc.
It does feel like a very specialized position these days though; by which i mean theres only a handful of truly great stay at home specialist small forwards. milne betts types

 

[jreesosb]

I hear you Grockadoc.
It does feel like a very specialized position these days though; by which i mean theres only a handful of truly great stay at home specialist small forwards. milne betts types

don't know what happened there... Perhaps I am the king of the de font....

 

[Grockadoc]

I hear you Grockadoc.
It does feel like a very specialized position these days though; by which i mean theres only a handful of truly great stay at home specialist small forwards. milne betts types

I agree. It is a very specialised role. However, I think that is the KEY cog in our forward line that is missing. King doesn't Crumb, Nahas isn't playing and Shane Edwards is becoming a midfielder, part time forward. If we get a player who can be front and centre of the packs when Reiwoldt and Vickery spill the mark, or sit at half forward on our counter attack and run into an open goal, it would make our forward line complete, especially with all the inside 50's we get.

I would like us to make a play for Eddie Betts. Wouldn't fit into Dimma's gameplan in that he isn't all that hard at the contest, but he would be a 40-50 goal player a year for us, with our forward line.

 

[Stylo]

Yes to Betts

Martin Vickery Knights
Betts Riewoldt McBean

 

[jreesosb]

I agree. It is a very specialised role. However, I think that is the KEY cog in our forward line that is missing. King doesn't Crumb, Nahas isn't playing and Shane Edwards is becoming a midfielder, part time forward. If we get a player who can be front and centre of the packs when Reiwoldt and Vickery spill the mark, or sit at half forward on our counter attack and run into an open goal, it would make our forward line complete, especially with all the inside 50's we get.

I would like us to make a play for Eddie Betts. Wouldn't fit into Dimma's gameplan in that he isn't all that hard at the contest, but he would be a 40-50 goal player a year for us, with our forward line.

I remember when he played his first year. Remember thinking, why not us!!!!! Still agree with you, he is WAY worth it
(just my opinion!)

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Cotchin , Foley , Conca are all the equal to Betts for roving the ball from packs . With more time within the forward 50 their goal sense will continue to improve . Cotchin IMO is already Betts equal in one on one marking , Conca will develop whilst Foley may just be behind . The added bonus is they are all way better than betts further up the ground and they therefore provide greater rotations .

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Yes to Betts

Martin Vickery Knights
Betts Riewoldt McBean

Where do you rotate , S Edwards , Conca , Vlaustin , Lids , Foley , Cotchin , Arnott , Jackson , White ?
If you use the 3 positions upon the bench and sub role solely for midfielders you have no rotations for KPP or back up should one go down .

 

[SumTingWong]

I agree with all of this bar the bolded, TRIB I don't think O'Hanlon will be a Shane Edwards type. To me, he resembles another player on our list. Chris Knights. O'Hanlon is probably a better overhead mark and quicker though. If O'Hanlon can become the player Knights threatened to be before injury, we will have a gem.

I think there is a place for specialised small forwards in the game, but they need to have more than one string to their bow. Nahas does not, King does (Marginally), Shedwards isn't a specialised small forward now. Our team is right for KPF at the moment, our Medium Forwards are building, we just need the crumbing small forward who can capitalise on the double teaming of our Key Forwards. That is why I want us to look at Willie Rioli. Lightning quick, fantastic skills and a dead eye in front of goal. He is slight framed though. Very slight.

Would have to be the biggest if in the history of "ifs". O'Hanlon would be closer to getting delisted than becoming as good as Knights, and that's putting it lightly.

 

[Spluff]

Would have to be the biggest if in the history of "ifs". O'Hanlon would be closer to getting delisted than becoming as good as Knights, and that's putting it lightly.

He's not even close to being delisted.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Just posted this over in the state league players thread but would anyone want to give Mitch Thorpe a look? Apparently has a better attitude and is more mature. Been playing well in the Tassie league and is 24. Was a highly rated CHF in his junior years (Same draft as Jack was taken).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-15/exhawk-eyes-second-chance
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-15/exhawk-eyes-second-chance

 

[SumTingWong]

He's not even close to being delisted.

I never said he was

 

[juss]

The way I see it, players can be good, young or cheap.
You can get someone young and good but not cheap.
Good and cheap but not young.
Or young and cheap but not good.

 

[pebblestone]

Really ?

Really.

 

[docko911]

If your aforementioned players performed like vlaustin, they would have been given more games and rewarded their spot back after coming back from injury, as vlasutin did. Vlaustin made an immediate impact.

But they didnt and continue to struggle at VFL. Why would they been given a shot at AFL which is more competitive than VFL?

Its a different kettle of fish - KPP's tend not to have an immediate impact but gradually improve over their first 2-4 seasons in the AFL.

Look at this current list of best AFL KPF's - (A lot are high draft picks but it does show an interesting trend)

Jarryd Roughead - Pick 2 - Games in first 3 seasons: 58, Goals in first 3 seasons: 6, 12, 40
Josh Kennedy - Pick 4 - Games in first 3 seasons: 29, Goals in first 3 seasons: 5, 6, 7
Jack Riewoldt - Pick 13 - Games in first 3 seasons: 46, Goals in first 3 seasons: 7, 18, 32
Travis Cloke - FS Pick 39 - Games in first 3 seasons: 55, Goals in first 3 seasons: 10, 6, 39
Drew Petrie - Pick 23 - Games in first 3 seasons: 41, Goals in first 3 seasons: 0, 10, 28
Jeremy Cameron - GWS pick - Games in first 3 seasons: 30*, Goals in first 3 seasons: 29, 39*
Lance Franklin - Pick 5 - Games in first 3 seasons: 56, Goals in first 3 seasons: 21, 31, 73
Tom Hawkins - FS Pick 41 - Games in first 3 seasons: 43, Goals in first 3 seasons: 12, 13, 34
Jack Darling - Pick 26 - Games in first 3 seasons: 62*, Goals in first 3 seasons: 24, 53, 35*
Nick Riewoldt - Pick 1 - Games in first 3 seasons: 50, Goals in first 3 seasons: 2, 21, 30

Most of them are highly talented high draft picks so the next 10 are picks 20+

Jack Gunston - Pick 29 - Games in first 3 seasons: 33, Goals in first 3 seasons: 1, 19, 39
Aaron Black - Pick 25 - Games in first 3 seasons: 14, Goals in first 3 seasons: 1, 3, 24
Josh Jenkins - Rookie - Games in first 3 seasons: 26, Goals in first 3 seasons: 0, 11, 23
Jeremy Howe - Pick 33 - Games in first 3 seasons: 50, Goals in first 3 seasons: 18, 19, 23
Justin Westoff - Pick 71 - Games in first 3 seasons: 50, Goals in first 3 seasons: 34, 22, 20
Liam Jones - Pick 32 - Games in first 3 seasons: 37, Goals in first 3 seasons: 6, 19, 9
Jarrad Waite - Pick 46 - Games in first 3 seasons: 50, Goals in first 3 seasons: 11, 7, 36

Not many other 190cm+ forwards that have kicked goals this year.

McBean or Elton should be playing right now for experience like almost every other single decent forward in the comp. Astbury and Griffiths could be past it already I think I'd only have 1 more year for them.

 

[HighFlyer]

I'd play Deledio at CHF. That's just me. With stints on the ball a la James Hird.

This!!