when do you reckon our new guys will make their debuts this season? who of the new players will make their mark/show class?
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lol. I shoulda expected that. Do you reckon our new recruits will show class. The reason i say that, over the last couple of years, we have not recruited players who have shown immediate class. other clubs like wce, bl etc always seem to fine immediate guns. ours take a lot more grooming, and we seem to always fine reliable middle range players. i reckon lloydy was our last immediate consistent gun and that was a long time ago.
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Apart from Judd who has come in to a side and been an immediate gun ?
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Nikoski, Kerr, Brown from WC. Adcock, Clark, Rischitelli and Sherman from BL. Thats from two clubs. Judd is different again, he started at a higher level again.
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It's only one game but Mitch Brown was very impressive last night for West Coast.
Rischitelli didn't make an immediate impact, he was quite slow to get started.
Clark only played a handfull of games, has hardly shown more than Ryder.
Nikoski didn't debut till he was 20, Kerr wasn't any better in his first year than Rama was.
Essendon under Sheedy have had a history of introducing young players slowly. Stanton is a great example of that, so is Monfries. Both played a hand full to a dozen games in their first season and then were ready to step up and go to another level in their second season.
Clark only played a handfull of games, has hardly shown more than Ryder.
Nikoski didn't debut till he was 20, Kerr wasn't any better in his first year than Rama was.
Essendon under Sheedy have had a history of introducing young players slowly. Stanton is a great example of that, so is Monfries. Both played a hand full to a dozen games in their first season and then were ready to step up and go to another level in their second season.
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Bryce Gibbs looked good for Carlton in the NAB Cup.
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Selwood looked better IMO, both look to be very good players
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thats a good thread to start. How about michael werner? i remember him coming out and kicking a bag on his debut years ago. didnt do much after that.
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Forgot all about Marc Murphy from Carlton.
Looked like a star until he got injured last year.
Came back this season and picked up where he left off.
Looked like a star until he got injured last year.
Came back this season and picked up where he left off.
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Clark was limited due to injuries, however until he got injured was playing awesome. when nikoski made his debut, he made an immediate impact. kerr and rama are two different types of players, and imo kerr was ahead of rama.
it can also be said that sheedy often takes too long to blood players. he keeps them in the 2's for two long, they lose confidence and disappear. WHilst this is happening, he promotes clowns like henneman and bradley and useless bolton, instead of giving his high picks a bit of a go.
Yeah, three goals in six games, only got double possession figures once and never took more than four marks in a game. Awesome.
Nicoski averaged 10 disposals in his first season and he was 20 years old. He'd been in the system for a couple of years. He didn't make an immediate impact at all.
They got the same amount of ball, Rama kicked more goals and played in a premiership. That's a fair start.
It could be said, but his record kind of disputes that.
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Adcock only played 2 games in his first season.
Nicoski , 11 games in his first year
Kerr played 19 so he gets a tick.
Brown , come on one game and he is a gun?
Clark - 6 games and 3 goals, really tore the comp apart. Yes he got injured but he wasnt an instant gun.
Rischitelli played 1 game in his first year and 3 in his second.
Sherman did well playing 19 games but wasnt an intant gunn. Had a solid year to begin with.
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Carey yes ,Griffen well he played 17 games in his first year but his average disposal was 13.1. was a good start but he wasnt an instant gun. thats not to say that he isnt now in a short period of time.
I think you're overrating Clark a fair bit, he wasn't actually doing that well, he was playing decently and showing some potential. As Longy said, Nicoski was 20 and, like most rookie listed players, (Mark Johnson, Damien Peverill come to mind), was pretty much ready to go straight away. Draftees will always take longer to develop. I also feel you are underrating the impact of Rama. Before any of the cancer stuff, he was on the cusp of becoming an absolute gun. To put that into perspective, he was ahead of Lenny Hayes at that time and showing even more potential. Look where Lenny Hayes is now.
With some players it can definately argued that Sheedy took a little too long to blood them but that's the result of having a very strong side like we did in 1999, 2000 and 2001. As for Henneman, Bolton and Bradley, they played and are playing for structural reasons. When Dean Wallis retired, that left a gap at CHB that needed to be filled and Henneman was best placed to fill it. Unfortunately, we haven't found a solid CHB since Wallis, except for when Lucas was played down there, and that's why Bradley and Bolton have been tried in that position. And just out of curiousity, which 'high price' picks would you have tried at CHB ahead of Henneman, Bradley and Bolton?
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You could hardly say we over played Henno and Bolts anyway, they only played when we had injuries or our side was crap.
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If you actually have a look at the previous six drafts, you would find that essendons drafting hasnt been top shelf. look at the 2002 draft as an example, we drafted laycock, winderlich, walsh, cartledge, watson (f &S), alessio. we missed out on jay shulz, byron shammer, selwoods, minson, jared rivers, daniel merrett, luke jericho, brent staker, brent ebert, kade simpson, luke fisher, ryan crowley, nick malcevski. out of those players, watson is the only one on par and he was f & s. cept for shulz. Rivers is a pretty handy chb i reckon. merrett is pretty good too. staker can play there also or play forward. essendon could have made a bit of a difference to their spine. that is only one draft year.
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well i actually referred to drafting at the start of this thread.
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Very easy to look at the draft in hindsight. You can make a case for all clubs over who they picked and who they didnt pick.
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true. like a few clubs overlooking jetta and davey
