No points for a draw

[Frodo]

Doesn't that rule tend to prohibit captains from selecting batters pitches?

 

[Kapow!!!]

Valid point. What is everyone else's thoughts on this?

To be honest that's why I'd prefer to vary away from the Pura Cup system and have it more like this:

6 - Outright Winners Points
2 - First Innings (to be added on to Outright if outright is achieved)
2 - Draw
0 - Loss of innings or outright
4 - Tied Test regardless of first innings

This way draws are rewarded with quarter points of the game and half an overall outright is awarded to those who get first innings but not outright. 8 points would be the maximum points for a game.

But I'm more interested in what the people think of this and am interested in seeing how the public sways

 

[boncer34]

Doesn't really matter in the end IMO. We all play by the same rules so its not as if a draw is gonna drastically effect only 1 side.

 

[skipper kelly]

Valid point. What is everyone else's thoughts on this?

To be honest that's why I'd prefer to vary away from the Pura Cup system and have it more like this:

6 - Outright Winners Points
2 - First Innings
2 - Draw
0 - Loss of innings or outright
4 - Tied Test regardless of first innings

This way draws are rewarded with quarter points of the game and half an overall outright is awarded to those who get first innings but not outright. 6 points would be the maximum points for a game.

But I'm more interested in what the people think of this and am interested in seeing how the public sways

I have adjusted your original post to show how I think it should be.

6 max for outright even if you lose 1st innings.

 

[boncer34]

Yeah 6 points for the win would be best.

 

[Kapow!!!]

But then wouldn't that mean you may as well play for first innings points and the draw. Only 2 points less than outright and if you stack the batting you're every chance to achieve it. It's not really fair for the outright wins

 

[boncer34]

But then wouldn't that mean you may as well play for first innings points and the draw. Only 2 points less than outright and if you stack the batting you're every chance to achieve it. It's not really fair for the outright wins

So...

2 Pts first innings
4 pts Outright
2 Pts Draw (Team can get a maximum of 4 if they win the FIP)
3Pts Tie (Regardless of FIP)

 

[boncer34]

I dont like Kapow how a side can get 3x the amount of points then the other team if they win Outright but lost FIP. They only won 1 innings but they're getting rewarded a lot more.

 

[Kapow!!!]

I dont like Kapow how a side can get 3x the amount of points then the other team if they win Outright but lost FIP. They only won 1 innings but they're getting rewarded a lot more.

er...the whole point of a test match is to win over two innings and not just 1

 

[boncer34]

I know but if a team loses the first innings but still wins big in the 2nd they pick up 6 pts. What you think about my idea?

 

[Ljp86]

I'm easy either way. I don't think it will have too much influence on the competition.

 

[ShearMagic9]

You can't change it part way through a season.

We all (well most) agreed on the Pura Cup points system.

That's the way it has to stay until next year.

In the Pura Cup there are no points for a draw.

Plus, as boncer said, its the same for every side.

 

[TorresIsGod]

Ask Fernando Torres, he is god and all, he invented cricket, he'll tell you the best suitable points system to work with

 

[Frodo]

You can't change it part way through a season.

We all (well most) agreed on the Pura Cup points system.

That's the way it has to stay until next year.

In the Pura Cup there are no points for a draw.

Plus, as boncer said, its the same for every side.

I respect what you say, but the fact is that the Pura cup system was designed so that teams made declarations to ensure a result.
That is a situation that is not possible unless the admin allows declarations, a feature which is available in criksim, but is time consuming.

I would ask, how may Pura cup draws have there been this season?

I believe it is good to try things out, inevitably mistakes will be made, but we must learn from them. I see no reason why points can't be adjusted now, in the same way I don't see why loyalty bonus's can't be amended now. The changes combined would take less than 30 minutes.

 

[ShearMagic9]

Pura cup games also only go for 4 days, compared to the 5 here.

There's only been 1 draw all season in this competition.

To change the points ruling halfway through the season for that is stupid.

 

[Frodo]

Pura cup games also only go for 4 days, compared to the 5 here.

There's only been 1 draw all season in this competition.

To change the points ruling halfway through the season for that is stupid.

No, the reason is that it will take 'batters tracks' out of the competition.

That is 33% of choice gone.

 

[ShearMagic9]

No, the reason is that it will take 'batters tracks' out of the competition.

That is 33% of choice gone.

No it wont.

From my experiences with the sim there's more chance of a result on a batters track than there is on a normal.

The chance of getting a result on any track is at least 90% anyway.

 

[boncer34]

For the record, we never actually came to a conclusion on what points system. If I remember correctly FC suggested county points system and then that was about it??

 

[TorresIsGod]

Nope, FC suggested either the county or Pura Cup, and because most people here didn't understand how the county system worked, we settled for the simpler Pura Cup system, plus FC was Admin at the time and made the decision that it would be Pura Cup system

 

[ShearMagic9]

For the record, we never actually came to a conclusion on what points system. If I remember correctly FC suggested county points system and then that was about it??

There was a poll between the Pura Cup points system or the county points system.

Pura Cup won something like 22-4 IIRC.

 

[Frodo]

It really doesn't matter what was voted for or imposed.
If we got it wrong surely we admit it and put it right.
Pura was based on making sides declare to get a result. That doesn't happen on BFFCL, so we need to remedy the flaw.

Now I respect FC's opinion that normal pitches result in more draws that batters pitches, I haven't tried looking at the stats.

But I for one will not pick a test batting strip again this season, because I believe there is a significant chance of a draw and getting sweet fa for it.

 

[Frodo]

There was a poll between the Pura Cup points system or the county points system.

Pura Cup won something like 22-4 IIRC.

It was 10 - 4 and most posters wanted no change at all.

The vote was unreasonable, too, as the fact that no points were given for a draw was not highlighted at all.

Here it is

Alright, we've voted that bonus points in the one day form of the game will come into affect next season, now it is time to decide which points system will be used for the Test season:

We have two options - The Pura Cup way, or the County way.

The Pura Cup way is:

First innings points - 2
Outright win - The team that wins the match, whether they win, lose or tie the first innings 6 - maximum points
Tied match - If both teams finish on equal runs after completing two innings each 3 - irrespective of first innings result
Tied innings - Equal runs on first innings and no outright result 1 each
Outright loss - Team who loses the match after a tie in the first innings 1
First innings loss - Team with the least amount of runs in the first innings 0
Outright loss - Team who loses the match after losing in the first innings 0

Which means if a side wins first innings and outright they still only receive 6 points, meaning the first innings points are only really carried if a side fails to win outright, make sense?

The second option is the County option:

It works like so:

• Win - 14 points
• Tie - 7 points
• Draw - 4 points
• Loss - 0 points

Batting points:

• 200-249 runs - 1 point
• 250-299 runs - 2 points
• 300-349 runs - 3 points
• 350-399 runs - 4 points
• 400+ runs - 5 points

Bowling points:

• 3-5 wickets - 1 point
• 6-8 wickets - 2 points
• 9-10 wickets - 3 points

NOTE: These points are only picked up for the first 130 overs of a teams first innings

 

[Frodo]

Pos Team  Played WO  WI  D  LI  LO  T  Runs Scored  Wkts Lost   Runs Agst  Wkts Taken  Points Quotient

1   Qld     26   21  17  0   9   5  0    16983         445       16301        480       160    1.1238
2   Vic     26   18  16  3  10   5  0    15985         426       15286        475       146    1.1660
3   Allies  26   15  15  1  11  10  0    16472         396       16516        466       122    1.1736
4   WIM     26   15  11  3  15   8  0    16446         454       15413        463       118    1.0882 
5   WSC     26   11  16  3  10  12  0    16920         440       16680        449       104    1.0351
6   Frem    26   10  16  4  10  12  0    16478         458       16971        462       100    0.9794
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7   KCC     26   12  13  1  13  13  0    14680         447       15330        439       100    0.9405
8   SEM     26   10  15  4  11  12  0    15072         458       15663        460        98    0.9665
9   G.G     26   10  13  3  13  13  0    15784         485       16063        441        92    0.8935
10  S.S     26   10  10  4  16  12  0    15596         439       15915        446        88    0.9956
11  T13     26   10  11  3  15  13  0    15148         471       15876        419        88    0.8488 
12  B.B     26    8  13  4  13  14  0    17358         453       18247        427        82    0.8967
13  W.C.W   26    8   9  3  17  15  0    15457         461       16384        432        72    0.8841
14  I.D.    26    4   7  4  19  18  0    15896         468       16576        393        46    0.8053

Now I make that 20 draws that now would be worth zip

And Fremantle would not have made the finals because of their 4 draws!!!

 

[Homer Jnr]

Pos Team  Played WO  WI  D  LI  LO  T  Runs Scored  Wkts Lost   Runs Agst  Wkts Taken  Points Quotient

1   Qld     26   21  17  0   9   5  0    16983         445       16301        480       160    1.1238
2   Vic     26   18  16  3  10   5  0    15985         426       15286        475       146    1.1660
3   Allies  26   15  15  1  11  10  0    16472         396       16516        466       122    1.1736
4   WIM     26   15  11  3  15   8  0    16446         454       15413        463       118    1.0882 
5   WSC     26   11  16  3  10  12  0    16920         440       16680        449       104    1.0351
6   Frem    26   10  16  4  10  12  0    16478         458       16971        462       100    0.9794
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7   KCC     26   12  13  1  13  13  0    14680         447       15330        439       100    0.9405
8   SEM     26   10  15  4  11  12  0    15072         458       15663        460        98    0.9665
9   G.G     26   10  13  3  13  13  0    15784         485       16063        441        92    0.8935
10  S.S     26   10  10  4  16  12  0    15596         439       15915        446        88    0.9956
11  T13     26   10  11  3  15  13  0    15148         471       15876        419        88    0.8488 
12  B.B     26    8  13  4  13  14  0    17358         453       18247        427        82    0.8967
13  W.C.W   26    8   9  3  17  15  0    15457         461       16384        432        72    0.8841
14  I.D.    26    4   7  4  19  18  0    15896         468       16576        393        46    0.8053

Now I make that 20 draws that now would be worth zip

And Fremantle would not have made the finals because of their 4 draws!!!

You'll find us an the Allies were clearly superior teams last year, needing not to bore opposition into draws, but by being attacking with our captaincy and the tactics involved.

Fortune favours the brave.

 

[hougie]

Valid point. What is everyone else's thoughts on this?

To be honest that's why I'd prefer to vary away from the Pura Cup system and have it more like this:

6 - Outright Winners Points
2 - First Innings
2 - Draw
0 - Loss of innings or outright
4 - Tied Test regardless of first innings

This way draws are rewarded with quarter points of the game and half an overall outright is awarded to those who get first innings but not outright. 6 points would be the maximum points for a game.

But I'm more interested in what the people think of this and am interested in seeing how the public sways

skipper kelly has the winner.

Nice and simple, works numerically and seems fair.

Possibly in conjunction with what DC said. Fernando Torres would probably be worth asking, got the answers to everything does Nando.