No to AFLXavier.

[DERO]

LOL.

He is technically correct. In a business sense, we are "consumers" and AFL football is a product whether we like it or not.

No disrespect intended to anyone who has voiced a strong opinion on here but I am not sure why people find it so offensive. There are plenty of legitimate things to get offended about and it is not like he called us campaigners or Hawthorne supporters. Xavier was simply suggesting that there might be ways to improve the product (AFL football) for us (aka: fans, consumers, fanbois/ girls, footy-tragics, etc)

Also, there is nothing wrong with looking for continual improvement rather than resting on laurels. It was pretty much a nothing article for mine.

 

[Howard Moon]

LOL.

He is technically correct. In a business sense, we are "consumers" and AFL football is a product whether we like it or not.

No disrespect intended to anyone who has voiced a strong opinion on here but I am not sure why people find it so offensive. There are plenty of legitimate things to get offended about and it is not like he called us campaigners or Hawthorne supporters. Xavier was simply suggesting that there might be ways to improve the product (AFL football) for us (aka: fans, consumers, fanbois/ girls, footy-tragics, etc)

Also, there is nothing wrong with looking for continual improvement rather than resting on laurels. It was pretty much a nothing article for mine.

Think it's because there is a line...

Say at one extreme is pure football, at the other extreme is pure business, clearly a well run club finds the perfect middle ground of both.

I know it's just a word, but that C word takes it further toward the business end of the spectrum.

What you have in a footy fan is a person emotionally invested in your club, you as a club have to be careful you don't take advantage of that in your business dealings.

Also consuming implies we are outside of the game taking it in....I'd argue fans of football are as big of a part of the game as anyone. Without us there is no big league. We don't consume it, we are part of it.

Disenfranchiseation can happen and it would demiralise the game.

 

[Howard Moon]

Sorry for the 6 syllable abomination of a word...

 

[eth-dog]

I don't understand the big deal. Honestly if you're getting offended by benign comments like those I think you're looking for a reason to be pissed off.

 

[Blind Turn]

LOL.

He is technically correct. In a business sense, we are "consumers" and AFL football is a product whether we like it or not.

No disrespect intended to anyone who has voiced a strong opinion on here but I am not sure why people find it so offensive. There are plenty of legitimate things to get offended about and it is not like he called us campaigners or Hawthorne supporters. Xavier was simply suggesting that there might be ways to improve the product (AFL football) for us (aka: fans, consumers, fanbois/ girls, footy-tragics, etc)

Also, there is nothing wrong with looking for continual improvement rather than resting on laurels. It was pretty much a nothing article for mine.

Because consumption is an analogy of everything that’s wrong with the corporatisation of the planet, that’s why. Tell me I’m a connoisseur and I might feel like I appreciate the quality of a fine art. Call me a consumer and I feel like I prefer cheap, nasty, quantified produce.

 

[Blind Turn]

Plus I’m really not that offended. I’m mildly taking the piss. Although I will consume his soul.

 

[DERO]

I think if he was talking about the fans he may have used different words. He was talking about footy as a product and how it is consumed.

Also, I would very much like to watch you consume his soul un_eggs .

 

[Blind Turn]

I think if he was talking about the fans he may have used different words. He was talking about footy as a product and how it is consumed.

Also, I would very much like to watch you consume his soul un_eggs .

...through his eyesss...

 

[Howard Moon]

Not sure how vegan that is...

 

[yodellinhank]

There'll be one less consumer next season if things don't improve. I'll put my consumership in the bloody microwave if the current trends continue.

 

[Blind Turn]

Not sure how vegan that is...

It is an ethical dilemma.

 

[Blind Turn]

There'll be one less consumer next season if things don't improve. I'll put my consumership in the bloody microwave if the current trends continue.

After you’ve microwaved it will you then consume it?

 

[DERO]

After you’ve microwaved it will you then consume it?

I'd like to see him connoiseur it.

 

[BrunoV]

So we cant even raise it as a discussion?

Dont think there is anything wrong with looking at shortening games, which is what his actual point is originally at the start of the article. He then goes on to say AFLX as a concept has merit, which it does.

What are we losing by shortening AFL games?
It may mean more games in the season, more timeslots, less injuries.

Why wouldnt we explore it?

It has no merit. The players kick the length of the field.

 

[Blind Turn]

I'd like to see him connoiseur it.

I could connoisseur Xav’s soul if you like.

 

[yodellinhank]

I'd like to see him connoiseur it.

I swore I'd never eat one of those connoisseur ice creams way back when they had mark holdens on the ad. Took me a while after they dropped him to be sucked in by a combination of pistachio flavor and a 2 for $6 type special.

****ing hell they are good ice creams. But i don't think they make the pistachio any more.

Fills me with mixed emotions. I grew to love the brand, and they mess around with it all the time. Sure, the flavors now are great. But they're different. They aren't the flavors that i initially fell in love with. Those flavors are gone.

 

[Eleven 38]

Best way to fix up AFLx is to not goto it and not watch it. I struggled through our first game and watched less than half if the second. I don't think I'll be watching at all next year.


On shortening the game all they have to do is not stop the clock for boundary throw ins until the last 5mins of the game. Theyd probably need to have spare balls around the ground in case it goes deep into the crowd.

 

[ghostdog]

I think it is a big deal. This is what corporate types and politicians call 'starting the conversation.' Okay, so I accept that I walked into that trap, however, I am really annoyed at being referred to by the CEO of the club I support as a consumer.

The end game of business is to supply less of the product for the same price or more. Finding ways to make more money without diminishing market share. I don't for one minute buy into the idea that the time and money saved by taking five minutes from each quarter will go back into the game. What a disingenuous load of crap, the notion that by taking away football you're going to get more football.

What it will do is change the game, and the bottom line is that I'm sick and tired of the powers that be changing the game.

 

[ghostdog]

The reason he gives is because he seems to think that people want shorter games.

"Consumer trends are showing that shorter games are being better received by the public, according to Campbell, and he said it was important to challenge the norms. "

What besides 20/20 cricket has shown this example?

And then in this quote he says something and takes a pause based on the "..." after he says attendance is up, so he obviously realised he said something stupid and needed to come up with something to reaffirm his position

""Although our attendance numbers are probably saying we're still increasing attendance-wise, ... I think now's the time to look at what we think potential change could look like in that space. "

So because NFL has 15 minute quarters it might be good in AFL? I love the NFL but sometimes they have quarters that go for an hour.

"Campbell was among the AFL club officials who recently attended the Super Bowl in Minnesota and said he took some key learnings out of the event.

He said 15-minute quarters plus time-on was about the right formula, but was at pains to say that the existing schedule was not broken. "\


I also doubt that we will ever get more games in a season, they already took away 1 JLT match this year in lieu of AFLX

Yeah I definitely don't want a short form of the game. Less game time ultimately means less of a spectacle with less opportunity for the ups and downs of the game to unfold.

I remember the old Milo bars before they changed the recipe to something 'new and improved' - code for 'cheaper to make'. I don't eat those anymore. I remember when Pringles were a bit bigger than they are now and I was outraged when they tried to change the flavour of Barbecue Shapes to make those 'new and improved'. I also remember when cars featured shiny chrome parts. I know what 'challenging the norms' brings - a pissweak version of what was once an awesome thing. Make no mistake, Xavier's seed is about making money and probably the comment was probably made with a view to working at AFL House.

I would prefer he focused on getting our women's team up and going and maybe turning Tulla into a boutique home ground with grandstands.

 

[Blind Turn]

I swore I'd never eat one of those connoisseur ice creams way back when they had mark holdens on the ad. Took me a while after they dropped him to be sucked in by a combination of pistachio flavor and a 2 for $6 type special.

******* hell they are good ice creams. But i don't think they make the pistachio any more.

Fills me with mixed emotions. I grew to love the brand, and they mess around with it all the time. Sure, the flavors now are great. But they're different. They aren't the flavors that i initially fell in love with. Those flavors are gone.

Just don’t go microwaving that shit.

 

[ghostdog]

Agree with that. Either have the balls to call out bullshit or say nothing but dont be diplomatic if that involves even a tacit support.

The best thing we could do for the consumption of the game is rid ourselves of the fossils and halfwits who cover it without even the faintest appreciation for the way in which the game is being played.

That's where the negativity surrounding consumption comes from.

Ifyou dilute the game to satisfy the attention spans of people who done really care about the game you'll lose.

As had been pointed out elsewhere 2020 is cricket's answer to reducing a 10 hour game to a game which is the length of football.

I live in NSW and the problem up here is that people don't understand the rules. The AFL would do well to pour their dollars into a campaign to educate people about the game. A thirty second slot with Leighton Hewitt explaining the holding the ball rule, and then telling Australians that he supports the Crows.etc. etc.

 

[Eleven 38]

Yeah I definitely don't want a short form of the game. Less game time ultimately means less of a spectacle with less opportunity for the ups and downs of the game to unfold.

I remember the old Milo bars before they changed the recipe to something 'new and improved' - code for 'cheaper to make'. I don't eat those anymore. I remember when Pringles were a bit bigger than they are now and I was outraged when they tried to change the flavour of Barbecue Shapes to make those 'new and improved'. I also remember when cars featured shiny chrome parts. I know what 'challenging the norms' brings - a pissweak version of what was once an awesome thing. Make no mistake, Xavier's seed is about making money and probably the comment was probably made with a view to working at AFL House.

I would prefer he focused on getting our women's team up and going and maybe turning Tulla into a boutique home ground with grandstands.

****ing Pringles are an absolute joke now. You need a microscope to find them in the tin. Now I feel like Pringles. Damn it. Also Freddo frogs are a joke, I mean I guess it's good to be smaller if we are trying to give the kids less sugar, but I have to eat 4 of them before I even starts to cure the sugar cravings. They even sell freddo heads now. WTF?

 

[ghostdog]

I used to love watching test cricket. It was awesome, the personalities, the lead up to the match, the to and fro of the contest that went for 5 days and that could come down to the last ball on the last day.

Then came the one day matches. And now there's 20/20. Everything seems so rushed now just so you can get a result on the same day in time to go out and look at that next thing that will hold your attention for just a little while. But in the whole process something's been lost, that part of the battle that made everything so "epic". I remember the whole school stopped and turned on the TVs just so we could see Greg Chappell get his century. And if I remember rightly Hughes then came out and got one as well. Brilliant!

That's what it is, the epicness of the contest. It's why the greatest comeback in the history of the game was what it was... maybe Xav needs to understand the comeback story.

 

[ghostdog]

******* Pringles are an absolute joke now. You need a microscope to find them in the tin. Now I feel like Pringles. Damn it. Also Freddo frogs are a joke, I mean I guess it's good to be smaller if we are trying to give the kids less sugar, but I have to eat 4 of them before I even starts to cure the sugar cravings. They even sell freddo heads now. WTF?

Yeah I know. I'm trying to stay away from stuff like that these days anyway but it's the principle of the thing. Houses and yards are the same. Backyards just ain't what they used to be. I'll be damned if I stick around they give AFLX the greenlight. They should focus on Tasmania before Beijing.

 

[DERO]