Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[Vader]

The redevelopment was part of the Commonwealth Games spend that was paid for by the Vic Government (once again Geelong gets another huge leg up).

It's home state finals that are played at capacity appropriate venues, it's'the same reason why the Bulldogs don't play finals at Marvel.

Geelong V Brisbane will most probably have about 60-65k at the G versus 40k down at shit hole stadium.

It's all financially driven by the AFL by how much money they can make.

There's no reason why Geelong can't host finals at Potato Park, but it's not going to happen unless there are 3+ finals being played in Victoria that round. Unfortunately for Geelong there will only be one final in Victoria next week, with Adelaide, GWS & Freo all qualifying to host home finals. Given that there's only 1x Vic final in the round, the AFL's MCG contract dictates that the game be played at the MCG.

If there was a 2nd Vic final, it would likely be played at either the MCG (most likely) or Docklands. If there were 3x Vic finals, then the AFL would probably allow Geelong a home final at Potato Park - but not if there were only 1 or 2 Vic finals.

 

[SugarShane]

Why do we care the Hawks of all teams got a rough umpiring decision?

To be fair, that in itself is quite a newsworthy occurrence.

 

[relapse]

Disagree 100%. World of pain. 8 gone already and could easily get rid of 10 more. No first rounder. CD could jump ship. Butters and Bergman leaving.

Will not make finals the next 5 years at least but having a handful of elite players means they aren’t bad enough to finish bottom 3-4 therefore gaining elite talent at the draft. IF they get Cochrane and Pilot - not certain - the price they pay is much higher than previous. And will struggle to attach quality inbound recruits eg Nas in 2 years.

In a zero sum game of SA footy success we are in a sweet spot over coming years. Our club knows it.

No one doubts their top 5 but look at the rest of the crap

Not quite correct, Bergman just re-signed this year.

I do agree that their list is a huge concern, even old mate Kane has brought up that he's really worried about Port's list. So if he's bringing it up then you know that things really are bad.

If you look at their drafting since 2020, it's been diabolically bad. They traded away so many first round picks that they've been unable to inject any quality into their list via the draft over the last five years. They went all in buying JHF and a bunch of B graders and were handing out first round picks like lollies and it's backfired. They're now stuck with a list that has absolutely no emerging talent under 22.

If Butters leaves at the end of next season they're going to be in for a very long and painful rebuild period.

 

[50BC]

He's cooked imo and not worth the hassle, he's averaged just over a goal a game across his entire career - you can get better than that from a small forward. Plus the bloke can barely run out a game now.

I'd imagine it was Rioli's call. He's clearly struggled with the fitness/training requirements, probably didn't much fancy the idea of another preseason. He averaged 1 1/2 goals a game which made him clearly Ports best small forward, so no way they would have wanted him gone they would have just wanted him fitter.

 

[Geoffa32]

Not quite correct, Bergman just re-signed this year.

I do agree that their list is a huge concern, even old mate Kane has brought up that he's really worried about Port's list. So if he's bringing it up then you know that things really are bad.

If you look at their drafting since 2020, it's been diabolically bad. They traded away so many first round picks that they've been unable to inject any quality into their list via the draft over the last five years. They went all in buying JHF and a bunch of B graders and were handing out first round picks like lollies and it's backfired. They're now stuck with a list that has absolutely no emerging talent under 22.

If Butters leaves at the end of next season they're going to be in for a very long and painful rebuild period.

Look at their KPP depth chart. Very thin.

 

[chazwazza]

McEntee delisted…..welcome back home to where you’re respected and can play with your brother Jed

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Port aren’t going to have enough players next year at this rate. Also how isn’t Soldo delisted yet?

 

[Coopers]

Port aren’t going to have enough players next year at this rate. Also how isn’t Soldo delisted yet?

It's like us and Smith - there will be 5 guys to go before him.

 

[relapse]

Look at their KPP depth chart. Very thin.

That's why I was surprised that they cut Finlayson.

He showed signs this year that he could play down back, I thought he would have been the type of guy you might have kept, even as a rookie.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Disagree 100%. World of pain. 8 gone already and could easily get rid of 10 more. No first rounder. CD could jump ship. Butters and Bergman leaving.

Will not make finals the next 5 years at least but having a handful of elite players means they aren’t bad enough to finish bottom 3-4 therefore gaining elite talent at the draft. IF they get Cochrane and Pilot - not certain - the price they pay is much higher than previous. And will struggle to attach quality inbound recruits eg Nas in 2 years.

In a zero sum game of SA footy success we are in a sweet spot over coming years. Our club knows it.

No one doubts their top 5 but look at the rest of the crap

How is them cutting 8 players, who were offering not much a bad thing? Those players needed to go.

Yeah question marks over who replaces them, but I don't see them getting worse without them.

They'll bring in some journeymen who may be able to support their better players.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

McEntee delisted…..welcome back home to where you’re respected and can play with your brother Jed

Was surprised they kept giving him games right up until delisting him. Basically pulled a James Rowe.

I swear I saw someone in here say McEntee had a "good future" in the AFL. Hopefully just sarcasm.

 

[Slippery Pete]

What will Rioli be up to in a year’s time?

I’m guessing 130, 140kg.

 

[StonesThrow]

Why would Amon want to time waste?

Not wasting time. They were in a shit position so he was looking for a boundary throw in.

 

[chrisso crow]

It doesn't waste any time

He wanted it out of bounds. Realised that it would look too bad if he just walked it over so gave a token handball. The umpire didn't buy it and nor should he have

Exactly why they need to bring in the last possession rule. Sure it can be cruel at times, but it takes all of the grey area out of it.

 

[119others]

How is them cutting 8 players, who were offering not much a bad thing? Those players needed to go.

Yeah question marks over who replaces them, but I don't see them getting worse without them.

They'll bring in some journeymen who may be able to support their better players.

The substance of my post is they have a crap list and are in for a lot of pain over the next 5 years. Even worse, they wont completely bottom out and finish bottom 4 to get the elite players in the draft. They will also lose Butters and Bergman. I see them 7-8th (at best) to 14th for the remainder of the decade.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

Re the 8 that have gone, my point is thats just the start. Boak was probably still a best 6-8 player for them and a fit Rioli certainly a top 8-10 player. So there are losses here already inc the unexpected Rioli retirement.

Then 10+ IMO could easily be added to that - see list below. And losing so many in a crap draft year, no first round pick and at best rumoured to be getting a C-D grade Giants FA wont move the needle.

This is my summation of their crap - do you actually disagree? I am genuinely interested in other crows views as perhaps I am too pessimistic (or optimistic of them being crap haha). But to have around 30 players on their list either not up to standard, serious injury issue and longevity concerns (SPP and Marshal) or retiring/last year or so (AA) is a helluva lot compared to most. I would think we have perhaps 10 ish players in this category - they have 30!



Do you think any of the following guys are AFL standard (15)

Evans
Williams
Charleson
Anastaopoulos
Lorenz
Jackson
Barrett
Mc Entree
Moss
Lai
Mead
Walsh
Ramm
Mackinlay
Liddy

Add to the serious question marks (7)

Burton
Lord
DBJ
BZT
Finlayson
Farrell
Soldo

Older OR Unfit/serious injury concerns (4)

SPP
Marshall
Rioli
AA

Retiring (2)

Boak
Atkins


Thats 28 players. I wouldnt want of them except perhaps short term AA

 

[Redline]

That's why I was surprised that they cut Finlayson.

He showed signs this year that he could play down back, I thought he would have been the type of guy you might have kept, even as a rookie.

Nah, not a great person to have around and while at times he has looked okay he needs everything to be on his terms to play well.

If he was a great club man maybe but he isn't that.

 

[daniel_4tw]

I didn’t watch the Hawks game but watched the ‘free kick’ everyone’s talking about.

Am I crazy? That is a free kick every day of the week. He handballs the ball with minimal pressure a meter on the full over the line. Thats a free kick, especially when in defence. How is ‘skill error’ and excuse? Judge him on the action and that’s much worse than the 50 meter kicks that bounce at a right angle and they pint the player.

If that’s the worst call to go against the Hawks then they don’t have a lot to complain about.

 

[Bay62]

The bloodletting continues at Carlton with more coaching and development staff gone.

Everyone wondered if Voss was on the way out - nope, just everyone around him.

Had to happen

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Do you think any of the following guys are AFL standard (15)

Evans
Williams
Charleson
Anastaopoulos
Lorenz
Jackson
Barrett
Mc Entree
Moss
Lai
Mead
Walsh
Ramm
Mackinlay
Liddy

I'd keep Lorenz, Lai and Ramm. Liddy is solid but vanilla.

I assume they will target plenty of the 18's championship winning team in the draft.

 

[119others]

There's no reason why Geelong can't host finals at Potato Park, but it's not going to happen unless there are 3+ finals being played in Victoria that round. Unfortunately for Geelong there will only be one final in Victoria next week, with Adelaide, GWS & Freo all qualifying to host home finals. Given that there's only 1x Vic final in the round, the AFL's MCG contract dictates that the game be played at the MCG.

If there was a 2nd Vic final, it would likely be played at either the MCG (most likely) or Docklands. If there were 3x Vic finals, then the AFL would probably allow Geelong a home final at Potato Park - but not if there were only 1 or 2 Vic finals.

Pretty sure the AFL has said or at least insinuated in recent years that they wont allow any decent drawing team to play a final at Potato park. Perhaps GWS or Suns. Maybe Freo or Power

But basically ANY finals game at MCG is likely to get 60k plus these days and AFL controls all seating and revenue for finals games so just not in their interests playing someone like the Crows at the Cattery in front of 40k, when it would get 70k+ at the MCG. The AFL has consistently said about prioritising the amt of people that can attend big games. Funnily enough the one home final at Cattery, Freo rolled them IIRC

The REAL injustice was the previous minimum MCG games per year rule. I remember attending the following 'home' game for the Crows against Demons at the G in a complete joke of a situation. Thankfully we won a sensational game

Finals Highlights: Adelaide v Melbourne, SF 2002

The Crows take on the Demons in the semi final at the MCG

www.afl.com.au

 

[119others]

I'd keep Lorenz, Lai and Ramm. Liddy is solid but vanilla.

I assume they will target plenty of the 18's championship winning team in the draft.

ok thanks mate for giving it a crack and keen to hear others views. I suppose the most talented players at the draft they will struggle to obtain though with picks 26 and 44 from memory. I acknowledge when they lose Butters they will get well rewarded - lets call it 2 x top 10 picks as they will clearly be able to match any offer - and that will allow them to draft a quality player AND Cochrane - assuming he gets allocated to them which isnt guaranteed with all the noise about compromised drafts and next years having the top 2 fave picks from my understanding, Walker and Cochrane, again both FS and NGA respectively

 

[daniel_4tw]

There's no reason why Geelong can't host finals at Potato Park, but it's not going to happen unless there are 3+ finals being played in Victoria that round. Unfortunately for Geelong there will only be one final in Victoria next week, with Adelaide, GWS & Freo all qualifying to host home finals. Given that there's only 1x Vic final in the round, the AFL's MCG contract dictates that the game be played at the MCG.

If there was a 2nd Vic final, it would likely be played at either the MCG (most likely) or Docklands. If there were 3x Vic finals, then the AFL would probably allow Geelong a home final at Potato Park - but not if there were only 1 or 2 Vic finals.

Saints v GWS a few years ago got over 60,000 in a EF. So if they’re going on capacity, they shouldn’t ever get one.

But let’s be real. Geelong should get to play finals at their home ground. It’s crazy that teams play finals besides their home ground in the name of viewers (read: money).

But then, the Grand Final should be played at highest finishing team’s home.

The fact there is a good chance we finish top and have to play at our opponents home ground again is really unacceptable for fairness.

So I’m all for teams earning the right to play at their home, but has to be for everyone and every game.

 

[davos44]

The substance of my post is they have a crap list and are in for a lot of pain over the next 5 years. Even worse, they wont completely bottom out and finish bottom 4 to get the elite players in the draft. They will also lose Butters and Bergman. I see them 7-8th (at best) to 14th for the remainder of the decade.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

Re the 8 that have gone, my point is thats just the start. Boak was probably still a best 6-8 player for them and a fit Rioli certainly a top 8-10 player. So there are losses here already inc the unexpected Rioli retirement.

Then 10+ IMO could easily be added to that - see list below. And losing so many in a crap draft year, no first round pick and at best rumoured to be getting a C-D grade Giants FA wont move the needle.

This is my summation of their crap - do you actually disagree? I am genuinely interested in other crows views as perhaps I am too pessimistic (or optimistic of them being crap haha). But to have around 30 players on their list either not up to standard, serious injury issue and longevity concerns (SPP and Marshal) or retiring/last year or so (AA) is a helluva lot compared to most. I would think we have perhaps 10 ish players in this category - they have 30!



Do you think any of the following guys are AFL standard (15)

Evans
Williams
Charleson
Anastaopoulos
Lorenz
Jackson
Barrett
Mc Entree
Moss
Lai
Mead
Walsh
Ramm
Mackinlay
Liddy

Add to the serious question marks (7)

Burton
Lord
DBJ
BZT
Finlayson
Farrell
Soldo

Older OR Unfit/serious injury concerns (4)

SPP
Marshall
Rioli
AA

Retiring (2)

Boak
Atkins


Thats 28 players. I wouldnt want of them except perhaps short term AA

Its the summary judgement of Carr taking hold of the reins.

Rozee, Marshall, Lord, Berry, Farrell, Burgoyne, Butters, Lukosius, Bergman, JHF, Georgiades, Sweet, Ratugolea, Jones, Richards and Visentini are the only notable players who should be on the list in 5 years. Aliir, DBJ, SPP, Wines etc will be done or just about done.

That an OK core of players, but there has to be a huge improvement for them to do anything meaningful.

Their timing is borderline ridiculous, by the time they get access to the draft it will be completely compromised by Tasmania, F/S and academy picks. Their age profile is young and getting younger with Boak + 3 x ~30s guys going. They will almost be youngest next year by average age and experience I am sure.

Port are a club which cant afford to bottom out, the creed reciters will attend but the "yay port are winning" casuals will drop off and the crowd numbers will get to low to mid 30s.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Geelong can play finals games at Potato Park as soon as the highest ranked team gets the home Grand Final.

 

[50BC]

Port aren’t going to have enough players next year at this rate. Also how isn’t Soldo delisted yet?

I'd imagine they will try and trade him out given he is contracted for another year, but his value must have gone a fair way south over last 2 seasons, not sure how much interest would remain in him.