Northerly/Lonhro

[Davo75]

Have been having some heated discussions with some people as to who will win if these two clash in the autumn!!!

What do you all think?

Pros and Cons for each if you would like to add anything!!!

I certainly wont be getting off The Champ to back a bloody Hawkes horse!!!!!

 

[Deej]

In any race over a decent distance Northerly will crush Lohnro like a grape under his hoof. The Cox Plate proved how much better Northerly is, it would only be accentuated 3-fold over 2400 or further.

I think Lohnro is more a sprinter/miler like Sunline was, in absolute top class company he'll get caught out but against average ones he will win and look good. Against Northerly I reckon Lohnro is nothing more than a way for Northerly backers to get better odds, much like Sunline was. Northerly is a lot better than either of them ever were or will be over anything beyond the mile.

This is all a bit irrelevent though actually because I heard Lohnro, Defier and Fields of Omagh are all dodging Northerly and instead going for the Doncaster. I don't think they'll end up clashing at all.

 

[sethlad]

Lonhro appears a bit of a flat track bully.
He did beat Sunline at Caulfield but she wasn't going anywhere near as well as her Cox Plate winning years.
Took all the length of the Flemington straight to win the Mckinnon on Derby Day,field was average but did get there.
Was disgraceful in the Cox Plate,despite huge stable confidence.

Northerly,what can you say?
Freakish will to win,tough & brave.
Almost unbeatable at WFA.

If they met in a Doncaster,it would be hard to be on Northerly.
Too much weight & vulnerable at the mile.

Having said that, I doubt I'd be on Lonhro either.

2000m,WFA,Sydney way of going,this would be quite a contest.

I don't subsribe to the theory that because Northerly beat Lonhro once he will always beat him.Personally logic like that comes through the pocket.

Same deal for Northerly V Sunline.
At her best I believe she could have beaten him,remember her winning Cox Plate performances.
I didn't back her in either but it would be a brave man to declare anything would have beaten her,especially in the second win.

Still,opinions are like that.

Seth.

 

[Deej]

Originally posted by sethlad
Same deal for Northerly V Sunline.
At her best I believe she could have beaten him,remember her winning Cox Plate performances.
I didn't back her in either but it would be a brave man to declare anything would have beaten her,especially in the second win.

After her 'all conquering' second cox plate where she killed that out and out champion Referral she went to Hong Kong and ran in that 2000mtr wfa international race and got spanked. The only race Sunline ever won overseas Childs got rubbed out and fined a stack for organising with the jockey of another horse tactics to protect Sunline and give her a cushy run, and she still only won by a lip from a desperately unlucky FKPrawn.

Personally I reckon Sunline was a hugely overrated racehorse at anything past the mile. In her career what did she ever beat over 2000 mtrs? Referral? Diatribe? Tie the Knot? I wouldn't rate Tie the Knot in the same breath as Northerly, Better Loosen Up, Saintly or Might & Power.

My opinion is that had Northerly been running in Sunline's 7-length Cox Plate he would've beaten her as easily as he did every other time they raced.

 

[sethlad]

Originally posted by Deej
After her 'all conquering' second cox plate where she killed that out and out champion Referral

You can only beat what they put against you.




The only race Sunline ever won overseas Childs got rubbed out and fined a stack for organising with the jockey of another horse tactics to protect Sunline and give her a cushy run, and she still only won by a lip from a desperately unlucky FKPrawn.


This proves what?
She is a proven international racehorse,it hardly matters how unlucky the 2nd horse was. At least she went overseas,can't see Northerly heading over there in much of a hurry.




Personally I reckon Sunline was a hugely overrated racehorse at anything past the mile. In her career what did she ever beat over 2000 mtrs? Referral? Diatribe? Tie the Knot? I wouldn't rate Tie the Knot in the same breath as Northerly, Better Loosen Up, Saintly or Might & Power.

Opinion noted.
Two wins & a 3rd in Australasia's premier 2000m race say otherwise.
Again,what she left in her wake is irrelevant.





My opinion is that had Northerly been running in Sunline's 7-length Cox Plate he would've beaten her as easily as he did every other time they raced.


Well,we have a brave man in our midst
Opinion noted,times say there was little between them
She was a champion,accept it.
Northerly is a champion,as above.

Trying to compare champions is pointless
Appreciate them for who they are,we get so few of them.

Seth.

 

[Deej]

They raced against each other 3 times, Northerly 3 - Sunline 0, need there be any more said?

Sunline was a proven international miler ONCE and it wasn't exactly in the best mile race in the world, at her 2 runs beyond the mile she got a heart palpatation around the furlong pole over 2000 in Hong Kong, and got overrun into 3rd over 1750 in Dubai.

Seth I'm not saying Sunline wasn't a champion, she obviously was a champion mare and in distances up to a mile I'd freely admit she was world class against any age/sex. But at 2000 she was never world class, ever. I remember coming home from Europe about 2 weeks after Sunline won her Cox Plate by 7 lengths (which by the way I think was probably the weakest Cox Plate in history, certainly in the last 15yrs at least) and everyone was saying she was the best horse in the world - I nearly gagged laughing at that suggestion. Giant's Causeway, Dubai Millenium & Tiznow would all have eaten her for dinner over anything beyond 1600.

Northerly beat her in 2 Cox Plates, Sunline never beat Northerly, never. Had 3 cracks, 3 loses. We can only go on results head to head can't we?

 

[sethlad]

Not questioning their head to head record.
Simply saying that the Sunline Northerly beat was not the Sunline that won two Cox Plates.

Never said she was world class,I am happy to bow to your UK racing knowledge.Said she was a proven INTERNATIONAL performer. Both Hong Kong & Dubai boast international fields.

Once again,what she beat is irrelevant.

You have a soft spot for Northerly,who doesnt.
But at the same time,you seem a little biased against the great mare.Perhaps it's through the punt,I don't know.

Whatever,opinion makes the world go around.

Seth.

 

[Catman]

Lonhro - Sydney media overrate him. Wait until he wins a decent race against DECENT opposition, not the jokes he runs in and the plodders he runs against up in Sydney.
He was average in the Mackinnon beating serial "gunna" Royal Code and deadset handicapper Distinctly Secret. Hardly champion stuff.

His effort in the Cox Plate shows just how far he is off top class. 6th, behind Fields Of Omagh, Sunline, Grandera, Defier and the Champ.

Overrated.

 

[harry_hawka]

I agree, for now

I reckon at the moment is undoubtadely overrated, but when he matures a little bit I still reckon he can be something special.

I hope so, for the sake of Australian racing and its spectators

 

[harry_hawka]

I'd also argue that Might and Power's Cox Plate was the weakest of the modern era..

That was almost one of those races that doesn't deserve Group 1 status apart from the winner and the race's history and name.

 

[Deej]

Wasn't Sky Heights joint favourite for Sunline's second Cox Plate? Says it all, Sky Heights wasn't a wfa horse's hind leg. That was in my opinion the weakest Cox Plate in memory, probably followed by M&P's. Northerly's second Cox would go down as the best closely followed by the one where Naturalism fell, and then the one Rubiton won. All very strong fields.

Did Sunline ever break a track record? I mean, anywhere?

 

[Davo75]

1992 WS Cox Plate

Naturalism fell in the 92 race!!! As did Sydeston & Palace Reign from memory!!!

Super Impose collared Lets Elope on the line, one of the few 8yo's youd think will win a Cox Plate in the lifetime of this great race!!!!

 

[JLC]

You could argue that this years Australias Cup was a weak field. Take out Fields of Omagh and who was there ??

I personally think that if they race in Sydney Lohnro will beat Northerly. Its a lot different when you are racing on their home track. Lohnro has also matured as a racehorse and has come back better accoring to John Hawkes. Beadman is also racing great guns in Sydney so it will be a good clash.

Same goes for Thorn Park who looks a different horse when back in Sydney and that style of racing. Won easily the other week and was easy money to those who ignored its Melbourne form.

Kusi or Niallo will win the Golden Slipper.

jlc

 

[JLC]

Originally posted by Catman
Lonhro - Sydney media overrate him. Wait until he wins a decent race against DECENT opposition, not the jokes he runs in and the plodders he runs against up in Sydney.
He was average in the Mackinnon beating serial "gunna" Royal Code and deadset handicapper Distinctly Secret. Hardly champion stuff.

His effort in the Cox Plate shows just how far he is off top class. 6th, behind Fields Of Omagh, Sunline, Grandera, Defier and the Champ.

Overrated.

Big mistake.

Lohnro will turn the tables when Northerly and co race on his dunghill as John Hawkes puts it.

jlc

 

[Deej]

Originally posted by JLC
Big mistake.

Lohnro will turn the tables when Northerly and co race on his dunghill as John Hawkes puts it.

jlc

Sounds like we're getting some nice juicies on the champ again if this post is any indication. You bloody beauty come to papa!!!!!!

Everyone should right now start talking up Lohnro left right and center ring up Sport927 talkback and casually mention how Lohnro has really matured and blossomed looks more powerful and it's his own dunghill etc, ohh hahahahaa this is just too easy.

 

[JLC]

Originally posted by Deej
Sounds like we're getting some nice juicies on the champ again if this post is any indication. You bloody beauty come to papa!!!!!!

Everyone should right now start talking up Lohnro left right and center ring up Sport927 talkback and casually mention how Lohnro has really matured and blossomed looks more powerful and it's his own dunghill etc, ohh hahahahaa this is just too easy.

Lets wait and see........

Bel Esprit didnt go too well when it went up to claim the Golden Slipper............same thing will happen to Roedean.


I hope you dont place as much faith in your football club......lol

jlc

 

[Deej]

Originally posted by JLC
Lets wait and see........

Bel Esprit didnt go too well when it went up to claim the Golden Slipper............same thing will happen to Roedean.


I hope you dont place as much faith in your football club......lol

jlc

Gee you're hilarious.

But to answer your question, I did in 1995.

Northerly is the best galloper I've seen bar maybe Might and Power, I have a lot of faith in him to kill anything racing in Sydney at the moment.

One of the things I love about horseracing is that the rivalries aren't full of all the spite that footy rivalries have. Can we possibly leave footy out of this conversation?

 

[JLC]

What had Northerley achieved at Lohnros age out of interest??

jlc

 

[Deej]

Northerly didn't race till a late 3yr old from memory. And he won the Railway at his 4th or 5th start, which is probably WA's highest standard race.

 

[JLC]

So Lohnro has done very well this early in his career

How would Northerly gone as a three year old in the Cox Plate ??

jlc

 

[Deej]

Originally posted by JLC
So Lohnro has done very well this early in his career

How would Northerly gone as a three year old in the Cox Plate ??

jlc

Jeez who knows.

It's just my opinion I guess, I mean I can admit sure that Lohnro is obviously a great horse, I just don't think he's any Northerly though that's all.

I hope you bet Lohnro and bet him heavy in Sydney, along with many many others too. Even money or better would be just marvellous on the champ.

 

[JLC]

Originally posted by Deej
Jeez who knows.

It's just my opinion I guess, I mean I can admit sure that Lohnro is obviously a great horse, I just don't think he's any Northerly though that's all.

I hope you bet Lohnro and bet him heavy in Sydney, along with many many others too. Even money or better would be just marvellous on the champ.

Normally i do quaddies in Sydney

jlc

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by JLC
Big mistake.

Lohnro will turn the tables when Northerly and co race on his dunghill as John Hawkes puts it.

jlc

Over 2000m, WFA. Paddy Payne will have to use a telescope to see where Lonhro is.

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by JLC
Bel Esprit didnt go too well when it went up to claim the Golden Slipper............same thing will happen to Roedean.

Bel Esprit was deadset unlucky in the Slipper. Some clear room and he'd have gone close to winning it.

 

[Deej]

Neither BelEsprit nor Roedean are even 1/2 the horse that Northerly is.

Having said that Lohnro is a very good horse jeez you never know.