Not Worth A Thread - Random Bulldog Discussion - Part 2

[Fossie 32]

"A portion of proceeds from the ANZAC Appeal Round guernsey auction will be donated to the ANZAC Appeal."

Why can't they be upfront about exactly what portion goes to the appeal? Why doesn't it all go to it?

Yeah they were having a go at the Saints on the news over their auction I think because they weren’t giving the RSL 100% !

 

[Norm De Guerre]

"A portion of proceeds from the ANZAC Appeal Round guernsey auction will be donated to the ANZAC Appeal."

Why can't they be upfront about exactly what portion goes to the appeal? Why doesn't it all go to it?

1. It's first and foremost a fundraiser for the club.
2. The club would want to make sure that the costs of designing and producing the one-off guernsey are covered first.
3. It's really just another in a long line of virtue signalling that clubs and corporations like to indulge in.
4. Describing any donation in the vaguest of terms gives the club plausible deniability should their auction not exceed designated financial targets. Even taking into account the 10th anniversary of the 2016 Grand Final victory, Id be surprised if it did. So their actions are probably financially prudent as they would want to be on the hook for a specified amount.
5. The game can dress up theme rounds as much as it likes. They're all just marketing/fund raising exercises to distract from what is a very long season.
6. Memorabilia is for the gullible or those with too much money. It's why auctions are usually held at club functions where the booze is flowing. I have a Collingwood following mate who got a little to into the spirit(s) of the night and spent $1500 on a signed Guernsey. Its now sits embarrassingly on the floor of his home office. Worthless. Something his wife likes to remind of anytime he goes to a club function. We're all just marks in the end.

All of the above.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The club would want to make sure that the costs of designing and producing the one-off guernsey are covered first.

I would argue though that this doesn't have to be true, and it's okay for the Dogs cover the cost of the design which is in effect their additional donation to the ANZAC Appeal.

Dogs are still getting subsidised to come up with jumper designs in general via jumper sponsorship, for instance. AFIAK Mission aren't making any donation to the ANZAC Appeal and their logo still appears to Mission's advertising benefit on Anzac jumpers that people have purchased here.

 

[Sentinel]

1. It's first and foremost a fundraiser for the club.
2. The club would want to make sure that the costs of designing and producing the one-off guernsey are covered first.
3. It's really just another in a long line of virtue signalling that clubs and corporations like to indulge in.
4. Describing any donation in the vaguest of terms gives the club plausible deniability should their auction not exceed designated financial targets. Even taking into account the 10th anniversary of the 2016 Grand Final victory, Id be surprised if it did. So their actions are probably financially prudent as they would want to be on the hook for a specified amount.
5. The game can dress up theme rounds as much as it likes. They're all just marketing/fund raising exercises to distract from what is a very long season.
6. Memorabilia is for the gullible or those with too much money. It's why auctions are usually held at club functions where the booze is flowing. I have a Collingwood following mate who got a little to into the spirit(s) of the night and spent $1500 on a signed Guernsey. Its now sits embarrassingly on the floor of his home office. Worthless. Something his wife likes to remind of anytime he goes to a club function. We're all just marks in the end.

All of the above.

I don't disagree with any of the above, but I'd still rather the ANZAC Appeal not be used as a vehicle for fundraising/covering the costs of a guernsey which ultimately didn't really need to exist.

We're talking about a match-worn auction (or in some cases, an unworn player issue only), which from a check of the auction website ended up at a combined $16,147 across 42 guernseys. I don't know how many retail versions they sell (I can't imagine many), but I'm certain they also came with the same 'portion of proceeds' disclaimer.

I don't see why they can't stick an iron on ANZAC poppy above the AFL logo for all match worn guernseys and auction them off with 100% of proceeds going to the appeal, and advertise it as such. I'm well aware that's fanciful though.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Memorabilia is for the gullible or those with too much money.

In fairness, personally I have no issue with sitting on the cheap seats on Level 3 at Marvel.

But say I want to give $500 a year or whatever to the club, but get something back for that $300 additional above a level 3 seat, I would find much more personal value in buying the physical, match-worn design as opposed to merely being able to sit on level 2 instead of level 3.

I wouldn't call myself gullible, rather than continuing to financially support the club that has had its financial struggles.

Your mate who has added $1500 to Collingwood's $100 million a year revenue? I agree that's dumb, but it's also a different scenario from me paying $300 for an old jumper design that was worn by a player that I purchased a few years ago and I personally still get enjoyment having it next to my other Bulldogs merch in my wardrobe (as opposed to just randomly on the floor of my home office).

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I don't disagree with any of the above, but I'd still rather the ANZAC Appeal not be used as a vehicle for fundraising/covering the costs of a guernsey which ultimately didn't really need to exist.

We're talking about a match-worn auction (or in some cases, player issue only), which from a check of the auction website ended up at a combined $16,147 across 42 guernseys. I don't know how many retail versions they sell (I can't imagine many), but I'm certain they also came with the same 'portion of proceeds' disclaimer.

I don't see why they can't stick an iron on ANZAC poppy above the AFL logo for all match worn guernseys and auction them off with 100% of proceeds going to the appeal, and advertise it as such. I'm aware that's fanciful though.

It also makes you wonder how much money Mission, Kapitol and Coinbase have also donated to the Anzac Appeal. They've paid the club for the right for their logo to be put on the Anzac Appeal. We theoretically should be passing on the cost of the difference in money we would have generated from them, had we insisted these jumpers been logo-less.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I don't disagree with any of the above, but I'd still rather the ANZAC Appeal not be used as a vehicle for fundraising/covering the costs of a guernsey which ultimately didn't really need to exist.

We're talking about a match-worn auction (or in some cases, an unworn player issue only), which from a check of the auction website ended up at a combined $16,147 across 42 guernseys. I don't know how many retail versions they sell (I can't imagine many), but I'm certain they also came with the same 'portion of proceeds' disclaimer.

I don't see why they can't stick an iron on ANZAC poppy above the AFL logo for all match worn guernseys and auction them off with 100% of proceeds going to the appeal, and advertise it as such. I'm well aware that's fanciful though.

The commercialisation of Azac day by the AFL is pretty gauche.

The club making money off selling the match day Guernsey and presumably pocketing a vast majority of the proceeds is bad enough. Then try not to think about how much money Essendon, Collingwood and to a lesser extent all of the other clubs make with their hospitality packages that they sell on what is otherwise a solemn day of commemoration. Which the league in it money grabbing ways has managed to spin into an entire 4 day carnival.

But sure. It makes for some great TV.

In fairness, personally I have no issue with sitting on the cheap seats on Level 3 at Marvel.

But say I want to give $500 a year or whatever to the club, but get something back for that $300 additional above a level 3 seat, I would find much more personal value in buying the physical, match-worn design as opposed to merely being able to sit on level 2 instead of level 3.

I wouldn't call myself gullible, rather than continuing to financially support the club that has had its financial struggles.

Your mate who has added $1500 to Collingwood's $100 million a year revenue? I agree that's dumb, but it's also a different scenario from me paying $300 for an old jumper design that was worn by a player that I purchased a few years ago and I personally still get enjoyment having it next to my other Bulldogs merch in my wardrobe (as opposed to just randomly on the floor of my home office).

To each their own and I knew that mentioning memorabilia would be a controversial subject.

Ive said many times before that when I go to a game I never wear club colours and think adults wearing a guernsey to be a bit weird. I also see my two social clubs memberships that I pay for as little more than a donation. Given how rarely I have time to attend actual games.

For mine. Its not a great leap to go from having a few items of memorabilia to being Catman once you stand atop that slippery slope!

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Ive said many times before that when I go to a game I never wear club colours and think adults wearing a guernsey to be a bit weird.

I agree with you on the "adult wearing club jumper" is a bit weird but I would think wearing a scarf and only a scarf (if you lean that way, and that's what I typically wear only to a game) is a good balance between the visual element of supporting your team and being Catman.

I think quietly having a few Indigenous designs in my closet - where the actual cost of acquiring a match-worn (sometimes AFLW) is not even that much more expensive than retail, maybe $50 more - because I appreciate the fact that our club respects Indigenous Australia more than Australian society in general, and we've had a role in allowing Indigenous art to appear more prominently in general society among Bulldogs fans.

I'm hardly going to wear them to a game though!

 

[Fossie 32]

1. It's first and foremost a fundraiser for the club.
2. The club would want to make sure that the costs of designing and producing the one-off guernsey are covered first.
3. It's really just another in a long line of virtue signalling that clubs and corporations like to indulge in.
4. Describing any donation in the vaguest of terms gives the club plausible deniability should their auction not exceed designated financial targets. Even taking into account the 10th anniversary of the 2016 Grand Final victory, Id be surprised if it did. So their actions are probably financially prudent as they would want to be on the hook for a specified amount.
5. The game can dress up theme rounds as much as it likes. They're all just marketing/fund raising exercises to distract from what is a very long season.
6. Memorabilia is for the gullible or those with too much money. It's why auctions are usually held at club functions where the booze is flowing. I have a Collingwood following mate who got a little to into the spirit(s) of the night and spent $1500 on a signed Guernsey. Its now sits embarrassingly on the floor of his home office. Worthless. Something his wife likes to remind of anytime he goes to a club function. We're all just marks in the end.

All of the above.

I don’t think it’s gullible buying memorabilia I do it to support the club and get something I like and I wear Dogs jumpers regularly. I know people may think it’s whacky but don’t care. Hardly comparable to Catman

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I don’t think it’s gullible buying memorabilia I do it to support the club and get something I like and I wear Dogs jumpers regularly. I know people may think it’s whacky but don’t care. Hardly comparable to Catman

What will you do with it when... you know... the time comes to get rid of it?

I've got a cupboard full of scarves, from when they handed them out with memberships, who wants them? It seems to me that younger people are not as interested in collecting stuff as our generation, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Fossie 32]

What will you do with it when... you know... the time comes to get rid of it?

I've got a cupboard full of scarves, from when they handed them out with memberships, who wants them? It seems to me that younger people are not as interested in collecting stuff as our generation, but maybe I'm wrong.

My kids problem hehe. Just take it to the op shop I guess. I’ve got rid of a few things to new supporters and sometimes the primary schools have football clothing days so sent a bit to them

 

[Mojorisin]

What will you do with it when... you know... the time comes to get rid of it?

I've got a cupboard full of scarves, from when they handed them out with memberships, who wants them? It seems to me that younger people are not as interested in collecting stuff as our generation, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think its because everything is so replaceable now and things are built to break within years no one forms attachments.

I have pendants from both grand finals, full news papers from the 54 grand final aswell as members tags from 54 and 61. I also have a tub of cards badges and autographs aswell as the Members scarves and caps. My favourite piece is a black leather book with autographs collected by my father from mid 40s - late 70s.

Most of my jerseys have been handed down now but outside of that I see most of the memories leaving with me.

 

[Curly5]

I can’t imagine Queensland op shops would be interested in WB items. I also have a few books - Bob, Johnno, etc - plus framed posters from 2016. But one day it will all have to go.

 

[Chicago1]

I not only have Bulldogs stuff to get rid of, but also Chicago Bulls(90s) and Chicago Cubs stuff. I have no one to give them to. Everything is sitting in my living room in plastic crates from when I moved to my retirement village over four years ago. I also have my 45s, LPs, cassettes and CDs from the 60s to 2000. I donated a ton of stuff to op shops before I moved here, mostly souvenirs from the places I've visited. And books. Boxes of books.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I don’t think it’s gullible buying memorabilia I do it to support the club and get something I like and I wear Dogs jumpers regularly. I know people may think it’s whacky but don’t care. Hardly comparable to Catman

Im sure that at some point Catman thought it was just a bit of fun as well.

Then down the slippery slope of memorabilia psychosis he went...

Kids. Don't be like Catman.

 

[Mojorisin]

Im sure that at some point Catman thought it was just a bit of fun as well.

Then down the slippery slope of memorabilia psychosis he went...

Kids. Don't be like Catman.

He has far more issues then just hoarding memorabilia.

 

[MJG14]

Not sure where else to put this...

Good to see Chris Grant at the 2016 Premiership anniversary event tonight.

 

[Fossie 32]

Not sure where else to put this...

Good to see Chris Grant at the 2016 Premiership anniversary event tonight.

Yes just saw that, brilliant!

 

[RWnBluey]

Confirming what all of us already know.

 

[grassman75]

Confirming what all of us already know. View attachment 2595577

Can you break that down into players?

Reckon it will be Naughty (who has improved last year and this)
McNeil
West

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