News NWM stays at Saints (Will Faulkner wrong about being crows bound)

[afl2004]

At this stage Whitlock is nothing more than an unproven second round pick raw tall. History suggests he's about a 50% chance to even end up better than Ollie Lord, let alone end up a star. If Whitlock is the key to unlocking an NWM deal I'll pack his bags for him and drive him to the airport.

Hinkley era definitely but what if Carr can reverse the curse

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hinkley era definitely but what if Carr can reverse the curse

Not just a Hinkley thing. The vast majority of key forwards taken later in the draft amount to nothing.

 

[Portwrld]

Perhaps Whitlock involved also means port are also grabbing Keeler with Nas. He's a forward and ruck that's distant cousin with Nas and close plus from SA. Young too.

Highly unlikely you’re getting Keeler aswell with nas

 

[dirty2]

Oh... Didn't expect this.

 

[#Port Patriot#]

Highly unlikely you’re getting Keeler aswell with nas

Time will tell. He is out of contract as well and no signing.

 

[afl2004]

Not just a Hinkley thing. The vast majority of key forwards taken later in the draft amount to nothing.

Talls much harder to get then outside players

 

[Portwrld]

Time will tell. He is out of contract as well and no signing.

If a rough idea of the deal looks like: Whitlock, F1 and a current 2nd rounder for NWM straight up.

Then Keeler is going to cost a little more than a bit. This is not to take away from the fact he would be a great addition I’d like us to add but aswell I would also like the club to acquire someone like Dodson considering our current ruck stocks, but even that’s very unlikely to happen as well.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Talls much harder to get then outside players

They also aren’t as important as midfielders in the modern game.

And players of the quality of NWM aren’t exactly a dime a dozen.

If Whitlock is steak knives unlocks the deal, then it really isn’t a hard choice.

 

[Coobk001]

I know the Saints supporters want to dismiss the idea of the PSD as a real threat, but in this case, the threat does indeed remain real despite a fair few teams in front of Port.

There's a long way to go before we even reach that point. However, when was the last time you saw a player not get to their club of choice via the PSD? The last one I can think of was the late John McCarthy when Port picked him up (he was averse to coming there).

The PSD requires players to set out their requirements for a contract, which is a ridiculous rule, but it allows them to manipulate the numbers in such a way to ensure they get to their Club of choice.

Port are offering a deal which is structured in such a way to be front loaded offering near 2M per season. Based on my limited, but far from zero, understanding of Port's cap situation, I am inclined to believe Port could even further front load such a deal if absolutely necessary.

No team is going to be taking a player on a deal up to 2.5M in 2026 via the PSD. They most likely won't have the cap room to begin with.

Though I don't think it will get to that stage anyway.

NWM and JHF share the same agent. And agents have trends they follow when getting these types of deals done. What's important to remember is that the JHF trade request essentially came out of the blue one Sunday night before the start of trade week. However, all the ground work had already been completed. That is, the player had agreed to terms at Port, he had met with the Club (pretty certain he had his medical done too), and both Clubs had preliminarily agreed upon the framework of what a deal would look like. It was only after the uproar from North fans on the Monday morning that Brady Rawlings contacted one of Crippa or CD (think it was the former) and informed him that the deal needed to be better because their fans were irate. So it took the better part of a week or so to get done, but it never was in doubt to occur.

NWM isn't going to formally request a trade unless his agent has sorted all of the particulars and the general gist of the framework of a deal can be agreed upon.

Yep. Build an understanding of what a contract would look like when he comes here, but before that he nominates the biggest contract we can possibly manage for 1 year. StK then to match would have to burn their entire cap and/or banked cap, and they will still lose him a year later.

Then once we draft him, you can then renegotiate a longer deal and even spread out the money. Nothing wrong with that. Its legal as long as the new deal is worth more over the term.

 

[bomberclifford]

It’s an astute option IMO.

Whatever and whomever we need to trade to get NWM would need to hurt a bit. This is trading raw potential for exposed form, obviously with picks involved as well.

Probably the first time a trade we do that will come back to bite us.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Holy wow if Saints have actually engaged with Whitlock lately

 

[Schulzenfest]

Talls much harder to get then outside players

Talls are much harder to get than outside players precisely because so many of them fail. Whitlock is yet to show anything that sets him aside from any of the other hundreds of failed later pick KPF's.

 

[afl2004]

Talls are much harder to get than outside players precisely because so many of them fail. Whitlock is yet to show anything that sets him aside from any of the other hundreds of failed later pick KPF's.

History would say you're right , hope milera is far tougher then he looks because giving all these assets for sticks is a massive risk

 

[Coobk001]

Whitlock has progressed really well. He looks like a real long term partner to Georgiades, thats a real shame if its the case.

You never know, but he could well be a big regret given what he's shown. The next Tom Harley decision maybe? He's our highest value kid, worth far more than Berry.

Totally makes sense though with Cochrane and Pilot on the radar.

 

[Anyonebutken]

In the end if we bring in Nas we have to expect to give something of value, Whitlock could eventually be a gun foward hope for the lad he carves out a nice career but Nas is already a gun and will be our best player along with butters for the next decade. Sure I would like to keep Whitlock but if we don't do the deal and Nas flourishes at the saints or crows in the future we will regret it. Do the deal

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I know the Saints supporters want to dismiss the idea of the PSD as a real threat, but in this case, the threat does indeed remain real despite a fair few teams in front of Port.

The thing Saints fans need to remember is that if NWM is walking to the PSD, there's no way they take him even if they have a pick before us. If he's nominating the preseason draft, he's in a position where he thinks that St Kilda have been obstructionist to getting a trade done.

If he's nominated for the PSD, then the bridges are well and truly burnt with St Kilda, and if they took him they'd be paying him 2million to have a year off. Against the wishes of the AFL and the players association. It would be such a bad look for the AFL

No other Victorian club is taking a player who is already saying no to St Kilda's offer because he doesn't want to be in Melbourne. And West Coast aren't taking him either in this situation.

 

[Steve Dore]

NWM was only interesting in coming to Port Adelaide because he needed a Daddy.

No Daddy no NWM.

 

[JUSTWORK]

That clown Phantom is now talking about Bergman and 2 firsts on the Saints Board....

 

[Enviable Tradition]

That clown Phantom is now talking about Bergman and 2 firsts on the Saints Board....

Hes not the only one saying that Bergman and a F1 isn't enough. It's hard to know where to start.

Apparently Bergman signing for Port is a suspicious sign that he probably wants to go back to Vic as well...

 

[Rash]

Good old phantom

 

[TazD]

That clown Phantom is now talking about Bergman and 2 firsts on the Saints Board....

Good to know.

 

[VineValerian]

Think a more realistic scenario would be Whitlock, a future 1st and a current 2nd for NWM straight up.

Whitlock was highly, highly rated at Port 12 months ago, and I've seen no reason why he wouldn't still be rated that way by the Club. He certainly wouldn't be any sort of steak knives in the deal that's for sure.

Whitlock plus a future first for Nas. That's enough.
If the Saints want more than that, then Keeler is thrown into the deal too.

Reckon it will be another 4 club trade merry go round

 

[Rash]

The basis of a trade will be whitlock and f1-2026, with later pick swaps

we are not trading for garry ablett, its quite funny what some think he is valued

 

[jackag24]

The basis of a trade will be whitlock and f1-2026, with later pick swaps

we are not trading for garry ablett, its quite funny what some think he is valued

Don't be so sure.. they've begun to call him a "generational talent" over on the aints board..

Bloody hell how many generational talents can there be in one generation?!

 

[Wargreymon90]

The basis of a trade will be whitlock and f1-2026, with later pick swaps

we are not trading for garry ablett, its quite funny what some think he is valued

Don’t know if I agree.

Whitlock’s worth is no more than a second rounder at best. Is a F1 and a second rounder enough? Unlikely