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This was published in the Melbourne Age today by Shaun Carney. Love to know people's thoughts:
"Australia's underperforming Olympic athletes should not be surprised that people back home are not too happy with the country's gold medal tally.
WHAT do you do with nationalistic fervour and triumphalism when hundreds of athletes on the other side of the planet, who carry Australian passports just like you, can't seem to win? That has been the niggling, discomfiting and mostly unspoken question across Australia for more than a week now. As each day of the London Olympics has passed, the bewilderment and frustration has grown in lounge rooms and workplaces throughout the nation.
These Olympics bring to an end a period in our sporting history that began in 1976, after the games in Montreal yielded a gold-free result for Australia. That humiliation led the Fraser government to reorganise the administration and funding of sport. It established the Australian Institute of Sport and began a process of - let's call it for what it was - buying Olympic gold medals, a practice that subsequent governments followed enthusiastically.
There is not a shadow of a doubt that this had the support of a big majority of Australians. We like watching men and women in the Australian strip winning. It makes the rest of us feel like winners. In fact, the rest of us claim the victories as our own. ''We'' won 16 gold medals in Sydney in 2000. ''We'' took 17 gold at Athens in 2004.
The first four years of the new century represented the apogee of the post-Montreal venture, in terms of the gold haul and with the securing of a locally-held Olympics. In 2008 at Beijing, Australia's athletes won 14 gold medals. At London, as we know, the team will struggle to get beyond a handful. What we also know is that this will trigger all manner of inquiries and investigations. Already, the reduction of the issue to dollars and cents has begun. On Monday, Australia's most senior international Olympic official Kevan Gosper essentially blamed the Gillard government for the paucity of Australian gold medals. He attacked the findings of a 2009 Rudd government-commissioned panel headed by company director David Crawford that recommended more public money should go to community-based sports ahead of some elite, Olympics-oriented sports. ''There was a suggestion that getting gold medals in the Olympic games was too costly,'' Gosper said. ''Now, that really cost us. You've got to put money in there. That pays for coaches, it pays for international competition. The money is difference between silver and gold.''

Gosper is right in one important respect. Money definitely makes a difference in the chase for gold. Great Britain, embarrassed by its desultory Olympic performances through the '90s, followed Australia's example and has poured masses of cash into its sporting bodies, funded in part by its public lottery, and it capped off the effort by hosting the London games.
But money tells only part of the story. For example, in the four years to the 2008 games, where ''we'' won 14 golds, the Commonwealth tipped in about $210 million. In the four years to London, the Commonwealth has kicked in considerably more - around $300 million. Swimming got about $30 million of that, for one gold medal.
The argument from people such as Gosper, and from Australian Olympic Committee chief John Coates as he publicly derided the Crawford panel's report, has been that while the amount of government money going into sport had grown, it was not keeping pace with spending by other big sporting nations. In comparative terms, Australia was falling behind. That was Gosper's argument this week: in this environment only bigger and bigger slices of the public-funding pie will push a small-population country such as Australia from second to first.
Perhaps, but surely there's more to Australia's performance in London than that. It's not merely how much money that's devoted to sport that matters but how that money is spent. And the values that go along with sport, including the will to win, should also count. Every athlete who makes an Olympic games deserves to be respected and revered. But if they accept public underwriting of their sport, they should not kid themselves: the money comes with strings attached.

Let's get it clear, that $300 million that Australians contributed to the London games effort comes from the sweat of millions of workers and managers. One tenth of it went to the swim team. No other national swim team in the world gets more adulation or media attention than Australia's. Being a top-line swimmer can lead to riches and open all sorts of doors. After the women's medley relay team took silver last weekend, an ebullient Leisel Jones told a poolside interviewer that she had advised her younger teammates not to worry about where they finished in the race. Instead, they should just have fun. Even allowing for her conventional athlete-speak, was it good enough that this seasoned Olympian was happy with second and portraying an Olympic event as an opportunity for enjoyment? Contrast that with the men's coxless fours, who were dignified but devastated at having come second. They were not afraid to show how much it hurt not to win. And good on them for that.

The point is, Australians pay for these athletes to compete, not to ''have fun'' or waste their energies on Twitter and Facebook or to buckle under the pressure and then make excuses about it. This was James Magnussen's first Olympics and it's not hard to see how a 21-year old can be overwhelmed by it all. But coaches, managers, administrators and older teammates are there to stop that happening. Did anyone at any point pull him aside and tell him that he was not on a free ride, that hard-up families in the outer suburbs had helped him get to London through their taxes, and that if he talked the talk he had to be able to walk the walk? Not only did Australia send its best athletic talent to London, it also shipped over some of its entitlement mentality."
 
Who is Shaun Carney and where did he get hid figures from? The $$$ the fed government plough into sports go into the Australian Sports Commission who fund non Olympic elite sports as well as Olympic sports and non elite sports. I'd like to see a break down of his figures from the federal budget over the 4 years.

Monday night 7-30 had another story about funding of Olympic/elite sports vs non elite sports. The Independent Sports Panel headed by David Crawford in 2009 will set the path of future funding. It's worth watching if you are interested in this topic but I will quote something from the transcript worth pondering.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3561895.htm

BEN KNIGHT: That's not to say there won't be some big changes in the way the money is being shared around. The changes were mooted two years ago in the Crawford report into Australian sport. It was a document that horrified the Australian Olympic Committee because it bluntly recommended that Australia shift away from its focus on the Olympics medal table and start concentrating instead on supporting the sports that most people actually follow. It recommended putting less into funding elite performance and more towards getting people out playing sport themselves.

JOHN COATES, PRESIDENT, AUST. OLYMPIC COMMITTEE: Oh, I wouldn't like to say that our nation is now not a nation that pursues excellence. We do that in every walk of life.

BEN KNIGHT: Already, $170 million of public money goes into elite sport each year. Since the Beijing Games, nearly $600 million have been spent directly on Olympic sports, with athletes in the high-profile events funded to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars each. One idea is to pull the money out of the smaller sports and concentrate on the big-name events.

MATT FAVIER: Those sports who have consistently medalled for Australia or performed well at the international level, those sports should consider themselves to be in relatively safe territory.

JOHN COATES: I would like to see more funding going to some of the sports that are emerging in terms of the new Australian population, in badminton and table tennis with our immigration from Asia in particular.

BEN KNIGHT: Probably the most controversial idea is that less money goes to Olympic sports and more towards cricket and football.

RICH CHARLESWORTH, KOOKABURRAS COACH: The Australian Institute of Sport, which has 37 internationally competitive sports, has a budget less than the Adelaide Football Club. I mean, that's obscene. And yet, we'll get people complaining when the Olympics that we're spending too much money on sport.

BEN KNIGHT: Being an elite athlete is far from an easy life, but it's still a luxury for the athletes and for the public. Their achievements are our reward as a nation. And when they don't deliver, that investment is questioned. The London Games have brought all of that to a head.

KATE LUNDY: You need to nurture as broad a base as possible, but you also need to make sure that the opportunities are there for the best of the best to reach their potential. And that's exactly what we're doing in our sports system.
 
Who is Shaun Carney and where did he get hid figures from?

Associate Editor of The Age.

Thanks for the link - interesting. Seems the current argument stems around do we fund everything, relatively speaking, or just over-fund certain sports in order to win medals?

The other part of the article that I think posed a valid question is how much are the Australian public allowed to complain about the no-success? You know... the old it's our taxes that fund you etc.etc.
 

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Further to this topic - an interesting article by Fairfax's Richard Hinds this morning
"THE Olympics are replete with breathtaking sights and sounds. The blur of Usain Bolt. The wash created by that human propeller Michael Phelps.

However, at London 2012, there is unlikely to be a moment more utterly gobsmacking than the Australian Olympic Committee president John Coates declaring that the key to an improved performance by Australia was to make sport compulsory in school, and thus to increase participation rates. What made Coates' comment so jaw-dropping was that it involved a backflip that, if performed on the gymnastics mat, would have scored a perfect 10.

This was the same John Coates whose organisation seemingly exercised every political muscle during its successful attempt to bury the findings of the Crawford Report into government sports funding. A report which, among many sensible suggestions, had strongly advocated the restoration of physical education in schools.

This was the John Coates who was dragged before that inquiry, despite the quasi-diplomatic immunity claimed by International Olympic Committee grandees during their luxurious jaunts across the planet. The same man whose organisation either can not, or will not, justify the benefits its generous funding provides the broader community, beyond spurious notions such as the Olympic ''feel-good factor'', ''international prestige'' and the eternal chest-beating contests with other nations similarly obsessed with their place on the medals table. The man whose organisation eventually delivered a 229-page submission that was little more than a long-winded and costly wish list on behalf of elite performers.

The AOC's untested, perhaps even self-deluded, claims about its impact on grassroots sports participation was echoed in London by the Australian team's deputy chef de mission, Kitty Chiller. In defending the performance of Australian athletes, Chiller said: ''There's thousands of kids running around the backyard because of Cathy Freeman. Thousands on a bike because of Cadel Evans.''

Evans' Tour de France victory, almost certainly, has accelerated already strong growth in cycling. Yet what little research has been done - none of it by the AOC - suggests the Olympics have no significant impact on participation rates, beyond short-lived spikes in attendance at programs such as Little Athletics. Indeed, one study by the Australian Centre for Olympic Studies showed that participation by people over 15 in 14 of 21 Olympic sports decreased after the Sydney Olympics.

One of the key recommendations of the Crawford Report was to empower individual Olympic sports, and to make them more responsible for their own administration. An eminently sensible conclusion. But with elite athletes catered for in national and state institutes, and funding for Olympics sports guaranteed under the protective umbrella of the AOC and the Australian Sports Commission, there is little motivation for the administrations of marginal sports to improve those standards. For too many, marching in a blazer behind the national flag at the opening ceremony has been the objective, not merely a benefit. As well-meaning and hard-working as many administrators might be, their sports are ill-equipped to recruit and nurture young athletes.

Thus, the chance to broaden participation has been lost.
Other than tinkering with the administration of the ASC through which Olympic funding is channelled, the Crawford Report was torpedoed. A victim of the AOC's aggressive, self-protective lobbying, and opportunistic politicians.

Indeed, for its impertinence - Coates grandiosely referred to the Crawford Report as ''well meaning'' - the AOC was rewarded with a generous funding increase, taking to $170 million the amount spent on elite athletes by the federal government each year. Without anything so inconvenient as cost-benefit analysis required.

Like its predecessors, the federal government has treated expenditure on Olympic sports mostly as an expensive photo opportunity, rather than as a means of tackling important health issues. The sight of Olympic blogger and occasional federal sports minister Kate Lundy cheering and tweeting in London does little to suggest that will change. In the thrall of the Olympic movement, what chance she will take a copy of the Crawford Report out of the bottom drawer, dust it down and implement findings that have a far greater chance of increasing grassroots participation than throwing yet more money at the AOC poobahs?"
 
Geez didn't this subject cop some s**t on Gruen Sweat last night?
 
How much success does Australia want? You can always get better results with better funding but really, how much is enough for a 'little' country like us??
 
http://www.theage.com.au/olympics/off-the-field/what-price-medals-20120810-23zua.html

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If this is to be believed ... I think we should cut most of the funding to anything on that list below canoeing and funnel it into the other sports. Maybe keep a bit for the likes of Equestrian, Diving, Triathlon and Shooting where historically we have done OK. The numbers for Hockey, Basketball and Water Polo seem a bit high, but I imagine that is because of the size of the teams.

Sports like Boxing, Tennis, Archery, Judo, Badminton, Weightlifting, Table tennis, etc. ... they should be cut off altogether if we take a moneyball approach. Could clear close to 20 million for sports we actually might be good at. I would also say we are likely to never do much in Gymnastics or Volleyball (I know we have won gold in this before), and all of a sudden you have another 20 million you can send to swimming, cycling and rowing.
 
Do we just want to win Olympic medals? In which case having a small, high-cost, elite team in some (relatively) minor sports world-wide (like track cycling and rowing) has done well for us in the past. The obvious ones that stand out in the list there are the fighting ones (Judo, Taekwondo, wrestling) - other than boxing, these sports are generally only played seriously in a handful of countries, who then tend to dominate the Olympics. There's lots of medals on offer there.

Or do we want to win medals in sports that we do in Australia? We like our our swimming, our aths (Little Aths is the best attendance-per-population junior aths program in the world - it's when you go to seniors - about age 14-15 - the problems start and interest drops), we like our Basketball, we do a lot of sailing, our schools do a lot of volleyball. Maybe we should put our money into serious senior competition in those sports, rather than just building some training labs to produce a couple of Super-Olympians.

Either that, or bribe the IOC (apparently there have been rumours in the past.........) to include Surf life-saving, Aussie Rules, Cricket (there's probably 20 different types of medals in cricket alone - T20, ODI, 3-day, 5-day, backyard, Indoor) as Olympic sports. You know - sports we like doing in Australia.

Dollar for Dollar, that's probably a better use of our money.
 
Firstly I wont believe the $310mil figure until the journo's show how they calculated it. I don't trust journo's with numbers. They are good with words but s**t with numbers is what I have observed over the years.

The Independent Sports Commission said the following on page 5 of its The Future of Sport in Australia report.

At the start of this review, the Panel asked some simple questions about the amount of money being spent by all Australian governments on sport, recreation and physical activity, and its impact. It was surprising to discover there is no current reliable information available to answer those threshold questions.

The only data found was derived from 2000–01 Australian Bureau of Statistics material. It confirmed that approximately $2 billion was spent on sport at that time across the three tiers of government. Only 10 per cent came from the Australian Government, 40 per cent from state and territory governments, and the remaining 50 per cent from local government. State, territory and local government spending was predominantly directed to facilities and their upkeep.1

Olympic medal counts seem to be the one area where success is being defined and measured. No parallel ambition has been expressed for community sporting participation where outcomes are not even measured.

Lets assume the figures of $310mil vs $390mil is correct its still useless when comparing outcomes. The analysis has about as much depth as a flee's footprint.

What is the total value of travel and accomodation in these 2 figures?? Most world championship and world curcuit meets are held outside Australia and for the majority of the big Olympic sports they hold most of their meets in Europe.

So there might be a $50mil differential in airfare and accomodation component of the Aus vs GB spend in those figures. If Aus could spend $50mil less on travel and accomodation than they have to and plough it into coaching, then you would expect better results. Part of why the Oz medal tally has gone down is because coaches are offered bigger $$$ overseas.
 

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