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Anyone Agree??

The hands I've seen Winning/Losing Would make seeing one a one in a lifetime Experience and I see it like 3 or 4 times in few hours.

So After Losing Few Unlosing Hands I decided to Look Into it,

Apparently The deck is at constant shuffle until the last action (Bet/check/fold) has been done then the shuffle stops and the next card comes out,This way If you are 98% to win and you or someone else delayed his action by a millisecond the card that you didn't want to see in the flop which was at the back of the deck is all of a sudden has been shuffled to be the next card,IN SHORT THIS IS BINGOO.

What do you think???
 
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woomera_skp said:
Anyone Agree??

The hands I've seen Winning/Losing Would make seeing one a one in a lifetime Experience and I see it like 3 or 4 times in few hours.

So After Losing Few Unlosing Hands I decided to Look Into it,

Apparently The deck is at constant shuffle until the last action (Bet/check/fold) has been done then the shuffle stops and the next card comes out,This way If you are 98% to win and you or someone else delayed his action by a millisecond the card that you didn't want to see in the flop which was at the back of the deck is all of a sudden has been shuffled to be the next card,IN SHORT THIS IS BINGOO.

What do you think???
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Its not rigged but dont blame yourself for thinking so

Most new players adopt this way of thinking because they assume that if they are even a 1% favourite they should always be winning, because theyre the favourite. Everytime they lose with their extra 1% they consider themselves unlucky and something shifty must be happening

The truth is its all normal and favourites losing is part of the game. The point is over a larger sample the wins and losses even out and if you are playing as favourite most of the time, the results will show

The deck is a random, constant shuffle which only adds to the legitamacy of the game for the below reasons
-People cant find a way to crack the shuffle algorithm and 'view' the next cards before they come, because the next card hasnt been chosen yet
-The program doesnt control the shuffle, its created by thousands of random events which are impossible for anybody to control

Also, sites have no reason to control the outcome or 'rig' it against you. They gain nothing from trying to juice the pots and create large hands, in fact its detremental to them.

Just relax, nobody is out to get you.
 

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JuddsABlue said:
Its not rigged but dont blame yourself for thinking so

Most new players adopt this way of thinking because they assume that if they are even a 1% favourite they should always be winning, because theyre the favourite. Everytime they lose with their extra 1% they consider themselves unlucky and something shifty must be happening

The truth is its all normal and favourites losing is part of the game. The point is over a larger sample the wins and losses even out and if you are playing as favourite most of the time, the results will show

The deck is a random, constant shuffle which only adds to the legitamacy of the game for the below reasons
-People cant find a way to crack the shuffle algorithm and 'view' the next cards before they come, because the next card hasnt been chosen yet
-The program doesnt control the shuffle, its created by thousands of random events which are impossible for anybody to control

Also, sites have no reason to control the outcome or 'rig' it against you. They gain nothing from trying to juice the pots and create large hands, in fact its detremental to them.

Just relax, nobody is out to get you.
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That's What I also considered, However When you Have AdKd and The flop is 7,8,10 all diamonds and the opponent Shows Ah4d then The Turn is 6 Diamonds and River is 5 Diamonds you might think "Ok i just got My bad beat of the decade" Only to follow few hands later by 2 similar beat??you would think whats the odds.I think anycards play e.g If you have 5,8 against A,A its easy to break it.I only Lost Like $200-$300,I am not claiming the site is rigging the cards i'm just saying this system Doesn't favourite Favourisim.
 
woomera_skp said:
That's What I also considered, However When you Have AdKd and The flop is 7,8,10 all diamonds and the opponent Shows Ah4d then The Turn is 6 Diamonds and River is 5 Diamonds you might think "Ok i just got My bad beat of the decade" Only to follow few hands later by 2 similar beat??you would think whats the odds.I think anycards play e.g If you have 5,8 against A,A its easy to break it.I only Lost Like $200-$300,I am not claiming the site is rigging the cards i'm just saying this system Doesn't favourite Favourisim.
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I would consider that a pretty bad beat, but it doesnt mean you wont see one the very next hand

Cards dont have memory

58 v AA is a 20/80 situation, so two times out of ten 58 wins. That isnt so impossible now is it?

People tend to assume that bad beats are real statistic impossibilities but its far from it. A 1 outter is still going to happen roughly once every 25-30 times, which is still hardly impossible
 
woomera_skp said:
That's What I also considered, However When you Have AdKd and The flop is 7,8,10 all diamonds and the opponent Shows Ah4d then The Turn is 6 Diamonds and River is 5 Diamonds you might think "Ok i just got My bad beat of the decade" Only to follow few hands later by 2 similar beat??you would think whats the odds.I think anycards play e.g If you have 5,8 against A,A its easy to break it.I only Lost Like $200-$300,I am not claiming the site is rigging the cards i'm just saying this system Doesn't favourite Favourisim.
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Or you would think, dam split pot?
 
JuddsABlue said:
I would consider that a pretty bad beat, but it doesnt mean you wont see one the very next hand

Cards dont have memory

58 v AA is a 20/80 situation, so two times out of ten 58 wins. That isnt so impossible now is it?

People tend to assume that bad beats are real statistic impossibilities but its far from it. A 1 outter is still going to happen roughly once every 25-30 times, which is still hardly impossible
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But you must admitt bad beats happens more frequently online than live games.
 

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woomera_skp said:
:eek: you buy your daughter Everything on a $200 Budget???
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$200 budget?

Would seem like bad bankroll to 30 table with a budget that is less then my roll :thumbsu: But yes im sure in my 10,000 hands a night I see many things that are indeed "rigged" and the site must be fixed right cause how dare my Aces get cracked.

Like look at this, how dare i lose this!!

Poker Stars $7.34+$0.66 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 8
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: t6816 M = 3.79
Hero (SB): t4558 M = 2.53
BB: t4778 M = 2.65
UTG: t6988 M = 3.88
UTG+1: t11595 M = 6.44
MP1: t12613 M = 7.01
MP2: t7083 M = 3.94
CO: t11334 M = 6.30

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is SB with Kh Qs
5 folds, BTN raises to t6741 all in, Hero calls t4083 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t10366) Jc 5c Qc (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t10366) Ad (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t10366) 3c (2 players - 2 are all in
 
woomera_skp said:
Anyone Agree??

The hands I've seen Winning/Losing Would make seeing one a one in a lifetime Experience and I see it like 3 or 4 times in few hours.

So After Losing Few Unlosing Hands I decided to Look Into it,

Apparently The deck is at constant shuffle until the last action (Bet/check/fold) has been done then the shuffle stops and the next card comes out,This way If you are 98% to win and you or someone else delayed his action by a millisecond the card that you didn't want to see in the flop which was at the back of the deck is all of a sudden has been shuffled to be the next card,IN SHORT THIS IS BINGOO.

What do you think???
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Please gamb00l with me. The kid that knows when to delay his action has have a sick tell on the program which doesnt even decide which card is the river card.

woomera_skp said:
But you must admitt bad beats happens more frequently online than live games.
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Yes, because you play more, and you get to see the cards more as well compared to live cash.

Basically, players that play bad live and breakeven are always losers online. No if buts or coconuts. Because they all play the best poker ever in their heads, it must be something else. And since they can't give that Russian kid 20 tabling any respect, its obviously the program.

Fact is, live poker players as a majority are stupid. A person can be smart in a certain area, but most are mouth breathing idiots as a whole.

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fwiw its long been a business idea of mine to have a HIGH STAKES POKER kind of format with a random 2/3 table. Have it complete with interviews and holecams, as well as the arguements and the table talk. I would probably watch it non-stop.

An example hand between Freddy the fish and Ned the nit.

2/3 NL live from Perth, the time is 1am

Neddy the nit has opened for $20 UTG and been called by 6 people today. Flop comes K84 rainbow. Neddy the nit checks. A few checks, Freddy the fish bets $15 into $143. Three folds, Neddy calls, another call.

Turn T. Neddy now donk leads $45. Freddy fish calls, a fold

River A. Neddy checks. Freddy fish thinks about it, and checks back.

Neddy rolls KK for second set which beats Freddies 85o. Neddy spends 5 minutes talking about how he couldnt bet that flop since no-one could have anything, and that he had to bet the turn to not give away a free card to TT. On the river everything (AA and QJ) got their so he had to check to pot control. Freddy is wondering why the dealer wouldn't let him draw another since the dealer had accidently exposed a 9 which he thought was the dealers first blackjack card.

Somehow Freddy goes on a massive heater since Neddy couldnt get his $150 effective stack in with a set. He wins $1k for the day and incinerates it on hooker and blow, which you can see on our Uncut Late night poker episodes on Saturday nights.
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Seriously, funniest home videos meets High Stakes Poker. What is not to like?
 
ashley12 said:
Please gamb00l with me. The kid that knows when to delay his action has have a sick tell on the program which doesnt even decide which card is the river card.



Yes, because you play more, and you get to see the cards more as well compared to live cash.

Basically, players that play bad live and breakeven are always losers online. No if buts or coconuts. Because they all play the best poker ever in their heads, it must be something else. And since they can't give that Russian kid 20 tabling any respect, its obviously the program.

Fact is, live poker players as a majority are stupid. A person can be smart in a certain area, but most are mouth breathing idiots as a whole.

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fwiw its long been a business idea of mine to have a HIGH STAKES POKER kind of format with a random 2/3 table. Have it complete with interviews and holecams, as well as the arguements and the table talk. I would probably watch it non-stop.

An example hand between Freddy the fish and Ned the nit.



Seriously, funniest home videos meets High Stakes Poker. What is not to like?
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Sorry Buddy i play poker not bingo...but you keep with your online affection Best of luck.lol
 
Im surprised no one is actually questioning the rake they take. ashley12 continues to suggest it is way better then the casinos/bookies/pokies but fact of the matter is well it isnt

A sit n go is 10% rake. Unlike a casino however your cash is stored in there system with withdrawals only allowed at there discretion. Technically they are borrowing your money. If said money was in a random bank account and not a poker holdings company you earn say 6% interest on it. You must also take into account the fall of the U.S dollar especially in a country like ours which has had a double banger effect with the rise of the AU. If you deposited 100 a few years ago and just left it there you have lost what 35-45% of your profit margin.

When you take into account the other revenue streams opened up by simply playing online poker and its no wonder the authorities are scrambling to ban it. Its a license to print money/mug everyone off, except no one has given them a license.

For every AU dollar you threw onto a online poker table technically the company has/could of earned a 60+% profit on it. With that taken into account why are they still charging such ludicrious amounts to play? Technically a company ran well enough could take a rake of zero and still make millions through foreign exchange and other means. The reason why is because its a monopolised industry where they can charge whatever they want. Not a place I want to be putting my money its fair to say
 
SNGs are raked at on average 8% this is before rakeback/fpp system. Never going to be able to 40 table ive are you?
 
FishCreekBandit said:
SNGs are raked at on average 8% this is before rakeback/fpp system. Never going to be able to 40 table ive are you?
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A moot point. If it wasnt a monopolised industry the rake would be what it should be. Zero. Theres no need for it in any form.

Why are so many people scared to mention Phil Iveys upcoming court case with FullTilt btw? IMO its just going to prove what a crock the system is. You have no rights other then to pay the fees. You have no access to your money, no right to choose currency, no right to choose a "real life" competitor. Nothing.
 
Coledinho said:
A moot point. If it wasnt a monopolised industry the rake would be what it should be. Zero. Theres no need for it in any form.

Why are so many people scared to mention Phil Iveys upcoming court case with FullTilt btw? IMO its just going to prove what a crock the system is. You have no rights other then to pay the fees. You have no access to your money, no right to choose currency, no right to choose a "real life" competitor. Nothing.
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Moot point?

You understand businesses are there to make money right?

Do you think online bookmakers should not charge a rake? Cause there rake is a lot higher then PokerStars.

You show me how to play 4000 live SNG's a month that only take me 150 hours work and at 8% rake and ill be there.

You can play at a number of places online, how many casinos can you play at in each state?

As for no access to your money ive cashed out just on 10k last month with out a drama and in my time im yet to face a drama.

And as a online Pro ive been talking to a lot of people about the Ivey case and have been pushing for people to not play on Full Tilt until all the problems are sorted, it shows yet again that PokerStars is the only way to go.
 
FishCreekBandit said:
Moot point?

You understand businesses are there to make money right?

Do you think online bookmakers should not charge a rake? Cause there rake is a lot higher then PokerStars.

You show me how to play 4000 live SNG's a month that only take me 150 hours work and at 8% rake and ill be there.

You can play at a number of places online, how many casinos can you play at in each state?

As for no access to your money ive cashed out just on 10k last month with out a drama and in my time im yet to face a drama.

And as a online Pro ive been talking to a lot of people about the Ivey case and have been pushing for people to not play on Full Tilt until all the problems are sorted, it shows yet again that PokerStars is the only way to go.
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Its not a business. Its a bank. Alot of people have had dramas with cashing out. Alot of people are forced to play with US currency. Alot of people are charged near casino like rakeback to place your money into a place that limits and has complete control over your access to it.

Quite simply these guys could pay you money to play a game and still make money. Why double dip for other then for pure greed?

Ill answer your high play rate with another question. What casino would force you to play in US currency over AU currency? If your playing for a long period of time the negative effects of the rising AU would cancel most of the benefits made by a high play rate...

As much as your trying to say it, convenience doesnt excuse greed
 
Coledinho said:
Its not a business. Its a bank. Alot of people have had dramas with cashing out. Alot of people are forced to play with US currency. Alot of people are charged near casino like rakeback to place your money into a place that limits and has complete control over your access to it.

Quite simply these guys could pay you money to play a game and still make money. Why double dip for other then for pure greed?

Ill answer your high play rate with another question. What casino would force you to play in US currency over AU currency? If your playing for a long period of time the negative effects of the rising AU would cancel most of the benefits made by a high play rate...
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How is it not a business? You think there huge security teams, software developers etc are cost free? They, like any other company are there to make as much money as they can. We play at the site that is the most secure and allows the best game play.

It is not there fault that the USA has gone bad, what happens when the Australian dollar is back to .70?

Now is a good time for new players to depo, its more tougher on guys like myself who have a good roll online and have to cash out the least amount we can on the hope that the US will drop.
 
A bank is a business. They employ staff too you know. My point was poker isnt a gambling business, its a banking business. They like the Aussie banks sit in a little circle and decide what type of ludicrious fees they can mug us into paying. In Australia we create govt watchdogs/laws to stop this behaviour yet your saying it like its a good thing for you?

Aussie dollar will never be back at 70c. Not in the next decade atleast. It still raises the question. Why is your money converted from AU to US currency? Is there a reasonable explanation for this other then foreign currency exchange/double dipping from your cash reserves
 
Because all game play needs to be in one currency and the US has always been the main currency. There is talk going around that with the ban in the US the currency might be changed to the Euro which would be nice because it would mean the ABI would be higher and would lead to higher ROI
 
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