Operation 'Get Judd'!

[ImaBeliever!]

Couldn't see a similar thread, so here goes...

What would it take to get Chris Judd to Richmond? Keeping in mind that this is just a hypothetical, and isn’t asking if we seriously want the guy, but is just an exercise in working out what we would have to sacrifice to gain his services.

Regardless of the financial cost, the exchange of player trades and/or draft picks would be required, so keeping in mind the amount of salary cap that would need to be freed up, how would we do it? I have no real idea of how much our players currently command under the salary cap, but I’m sure others here do.

Would the likes of Richo, Brown and Cogs command much interest for trade, or are their respective deficiencies (goal-kicking & age, leg injury & age, chronic groin & knee) too glaring?

Surely the Doggies would look at Richo to fill a key forward position, an area they must address soon if they are to be serious premiership material?

Wouldn’t a number of clubs within the premiership window look upon Brown as a likely provider of class and match-winning ability, despite his leg? (which should be well and truely right for next season)

And Cogs must be worth something to clubs lacking some grunt and class in the midfield?

I raise these players as ones we have either learnt to live without (Brown & Cogs) or will need to live without very soon (Richo). With the development of Schulz and the promise of Reiwoldt we can finally move forward to a life post-Richo, which even last year seemed unthinkable. Sure, wouldn’t we love to see Browny & Cogs in action right now (if fit, we would have won a game by now), but surely they could be sacrificed for the once-a-generation player that is Judd?

By trading these three, would that free up enough salary cap space for the Million-dollar man?

What other options? Deledio? Tambling? Trading them would be robbing the future, but would anyone consider a straight swap of Lids for Judd? Hmm, a fascinating proposition – Deledio’s promise & youth for Judd’s proven ability. But I guess it wouldn’t be that simple, and the eagles would require more.

The side question with this hypothetical is about loyalty. Would we be happy trading an aging club legend (who is unlikely to figure in a serious tiger GF tilt) to assist in getting a champion who could help the RFC get a premiership?

 

[Calcium Man]

Hopefully nothing we will get him preseason draft

It would require our first rd pick and some talented young kids. I would hope we wouldnt give up lids and tambling, but west coast might accept some WA boys like Casserly or JON and krakouer (free up some cap space). I'd be alright with letting Coughlan go but wif his knee problems would West coast bother.

I expect Gasper to retire end of the year. So getting rid of him and Krak would free up about 500k of cap space i would think. And before we got Polak we were running at 92.5% of our cap apparently so i think we would have the room. But we dont have anybody to move onto the veterans list to replace Gas.

 

[sante]

It would cost so much (financially + player wise + Draft picks) that it wouldn't be worth it.

We just put Coughlan into our Leadership group, he won't be going anywhere. The chances that he becomes as good as he was or could have been is slim but he is an inside midfielder and is very important to our structure.

We don't have the talent of players to give to WCE. Richo is too old. We can't trade Brown, we've invested too much into him. Pettifer is someone we could use as trade bait, still WCE would want so much. I wouldn't trade Deledio or Tambling, after the Frawley era, we have pretty much said that we will be developing our own players and will start from scratch...trading those 2 is just contradicting ourselves.

Judd could only get to us if we picked him up in the PSD.

 

[tigerdan]

At the risk of earning the wrath of Eagles posters and 'build our own' Tigers posters, this is what would have to happen:

1) Judd wants to come back to Vic, any club.
2a) Judd becomes disenfranchised with the Weagles and doesn't care if he screws them over.
2b) Someone is able to get in his ear and convince him that 'they wont mind if you go / they are all a bunch of ***** anyway'
3) Tigers have lots of salary cap space
4a) Tigers finish on bottom
4b) Tigers convince Judd to put huge price on his head knowing no other club can pay it
5) Tigers hold Weagles to ransom with PSD or bogus trade being their only options.

If point one is true, then one of the Vic clubs will be his home. May as well be us.

 

[Calcium Man]

At the risk of earning the wrath of Eagles posters and 'build our own' Tigers posters, this is what would have to happen:

1) Judd wants to come back to Vic, any club.
2a) Judd becomes disenfranchised with the Weagles and doesn't care if he screws them over.
2b) Someone is able to get in his ear and convince him that 'they wont mind if you go / they are all a bunch of ***** anyway'
3) Tigers have lots of salary cap space
4a) Tigers finish on bottom
4b) Tigers convince Judd to put huge price on his head knowing no other club can pay it
5) Tigers hold Weagles to ransom with PSD or bogus trade being their only options.

If point one is true, then one of the Vic clubs will be his home. May as well be us.

If we finish last we dont really want him to put a massive price on his head. Just hold out from agreeing to trades with other vic clubs.

Personally i think we are one of the few teams with the salary cap room to get him. We are not currently paying the whole salary cap and Gas will be moved on at the end of the year freeing up plenty of space.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Wouldn't want to trade for Judd, as good as he is, it would cost just too much. The only way we could get him is if he gets set on returning to Melbourne, we get the spoon and pick him up in the PSD because nobody can satisfy the eagles.
I could live with that Judd and pick one in the draft

 

[Bojangles17]

Couldn't see a similar thread, so here goes...

What would it take to get Chris Judd to Richmond? :

its probably just the kind of %%$# stupid thing we'd do. Go after 1 player when we need like 3 or 4 , trade 5 pix and then hebreaks his leg in 4 places...sound familiar...me thinks a flawed strategy and not one we are in a position to chance

 

[CoggaRules]

its probably just the kind of %%$# stupid thing we'd do. Go after 1 player when we need like 3 or 4 , trade 5 pix and then hebreaks his leg in 4 places...sound familiar...me thinks a flawed strategy and not one we are in a position to chance

Judd wouldnt come within a bull's roar of the tigers. Even he would struggle in our side and he knows it. Why would a legend want to come and kick it out from FB, to himself, deliver it to himself in the middle, and then hit himslef on the chest 20 out for a major?

 

[ImaBeliever!]

Hard to think that Richo is next to worthless as a trade option. Despite his age, he has some more years left in him as he can head back to FF in a power role once his athleticism declines.

I know that the Eagles wouldn't want or need him, but as mention the bullies could do with a Richo over the next couple of years, and perhaps a complicated 3-way deal involving additional players/picks could be engineered?

Would Richo, a younger player and a high draft pick be worth it for a guaranteed champ like Judd? Most likely the cost would be too great, and knowing our luck, Judd would get a career-ending injury in his first year!

 

[Bojangles17]

, Judd would get a career-ending injury in his first year!

course he would

 

[carps]

Surely the Doggies would look at Richo to fill a key forward position, an area they must address soon if they are to be serious premiership material?

hahahahahaha I don't think we would take Richo. In fct I don't think any club in the AFL would take Richo - not even Melbourne. Now that they have no forward line. Richmond is stuck with Richo.

 

[sante]

Richmond is stuck with Richo.

That is a good thing.


Would you take Brown + Wallace, oh wait you had 'em

 

[ImaBeliever!]

Surely the Doggies would look at Richo to fill a key forward position, an area they must address soon if they are to be serious premiership material?

hahahahahaha I don't think we would take Richo. In fct I don't think any club in the AFL would take Richo - not even Melbourne. Now that they have no forward line. Richmond is stuck with Richo.

So what are you going to do about your one-dimensional forward line? Put West to CHF? Lack of Key Forwards = lack of premiership success!

 

[carps]

So what are you going to do about your one-dimensional forward line? Put West to CHF? Lack of Key Forwards = lack of premiership success!

Well you apprently have a champion full forward but still haven't won a premiership for over 20 years. In fact you've have only made the finals series twice in that time.
We have made the finals since Brown and Wallet left for greener pastures.
The one dimensional forward line we have will be solved once Murphy and Darcy are back to where they once were as players which will happen with every game they play.

 

[Monkeyboy]

At the risk of earning the wrath of Eagles posters and 'build our own' Tigers posters, this is what would have to happen:

1) Judd wants to come back to Vic, any club.
2a) Judd becomes disenfranchised with the Weagles and doesn't care if he screws them over.
2b) Someone is able to get in his ear and convince him that 'they wont mind if you go / they are all a bunch of ***** anyway'
3) Tigers have lots of salary cap space
4a) Tigers finish on bottom
4b) Tigers convince Judd to put huge price on his head knowing no other club can pay it
5) Tigers hold Weagles to ransom with PSD or bogus trade being their only options.

If point one is true, then one of the Vic clubs will be his home. May as well be us.

1 out of 6 aint bad!

 

[Ando_4]

Wouldn't want to trade for Judd, as good as he is, it would cost just too much.

This is such a loser mentality.
If he becomes available we should do whatever it takes to secure his services.

Deledio aside, every player on our list should be tradeable, sackable whatever, to secure the best player in the land.

 

[R.I.P Jack Dyer]

Well you apprently have a champion full forward but still haven't won a premiership for over 20 years. In fact you've have only made the finals series twice in that time.
We have made the finals since Brown and Wallet left for greener pastures.
The one dimensional forward line we have will be solved once Murphy and Darcy are back to where they once were as players which will happen with every game they play.

and when was the last time the dogs won a premiership...and how many have u got by the way???

 

[duckboy]

and when was the last time the dogs won a premiership...and how many have u got by the way???

And so say all of us!!

 

[carps]

and when was the last time the dogs won a premiership...and how many have u got by the way???

Thats a little off topic but it was a while ago now. However, the suggestion was we would take Richo as we needed a forward. I said we don't need him. Someone else said if we lacked a forward line and you would not win a premiership without one. I said you apparently have a forward line but have not even played finals in recent times. So even with a forward line you need a whole lot more than that.
So my point is we don't need Richo because we have goal kickers and have made finals without a ''champion'' like Richo. You are stuck with him as no club would take a 30 year old forward who can not reliably kick straight.

 

[ImaBeliever!]

Thats a little off topic but it was a while ago now. However, the suggestion was we would take Richo as we needed a forward. I said we don't need him. Someone else said if we lacked a forward line and you would not win a premiership without one. I said you apparently have a forward line but have not even played finals in recent times. So even with a forward line you need a whole lot more than that.
So my point is we don't need Richo because we have goal kickers and have made finals without a ''champion'' like Richo. You are stuck with him as no club would take a 30 year old forward who can not reliably kick straight.

Mate, if Eade could get Richo right now, he would. Johnson is simply a champ but he isn't a KP forward, and Darcy isn't the answer, so you are still lacking in that area. You have made finals but failed due to this exact point.

Richo isn't so inaccurate that he wouldn't provide on average 3-4 goals a game, something the dogs would love to conjure up to win a game.

I'll repeat: You won't win a premiership without a true Key Position forward. And by the way, i'm more than happy if Richo stays a Tiger for life.

 

[santa claws]

if wb were to offer their first round pick and a player or second round pick for richo we would be crazy not to take it.make no mistakes we are in full on rebuild mode. the only trouble is can we trust wallace and miller to look after list needs with the picks we got for him.some how i can see more danny meyers and jons etc being taken.

to be honest richo would be crazy not to move surely its every footballers dream to play in a premiership he must realise by now hes never going to play in one at richmond. the old loyalty thing went out the window yrs ago.

 

[ImaBeliever!]

if wb were to offer their first round pick and a player or second round pick for richo we would be crazy not to take it.make no mistakes we are in full on rebuild mode. the only trouble is can we trust wallace and miller to look after list needs with the picks we got for him.some how i can see more danny meyers and jons etc being taken.

to be honest richo would be crazy not to move surely its every footballers dream to play in a premiership he must realise by now hes never going to play in one at richmond. the old loyalty thing went out the window yrs ago.

Agree. Love Richo, but life moves on, and we must think about what's best in the long run. But having said that, i doubt he would go anywhere else.

 

[jezza]

Richo won't move anywhere. No club will take him, especially not for the sort of prices you are talking. No team will give that much up for a player with such a limited time left in the game.

 

[carps]

Richo won't move anywhere. No club will take him, especially not for the sort of prices you are talking. No team will give that much up for a player with such a limited time left in the game.

I agree. He is too old and is not a reliable kick for goal. Sometimes he can do amazing things but he lets himself down when kicking for goal, especially if he or the team is under pressure. No team will take Richo. He's not worth it. Everyteam wants young players not old men.

 

[W. Smithers]

I agree. He is too old and is not a reliable kick for goal. Sometimes he can do amazing things but he lets himself down when kicking for goal, especially if he or the team is under pressure. No team will take Richo. He's not worth it. Everyteam wants young players not old men.

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