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I know we're supposed to use our draft picks as God intended-to pick up young talent. I know we've been burnt by some of our pick-for-player trades (eg McKee) so we should invest in youth a la Geelong and St Kilda and reap the crop when it ripens.

BUT

There's all this wild crazy talk about top players on the move. Bartel and Pavlich and lord knows who.

I'm not sure we need Pav. I know he's a cracking player, absolute top notch, but on paper we have a decent forward line, which is his best possie. We lack pacy midfielders.

Also Pav's price will be exorbitant, especially if he wins the Brownlow. He's a KPP forward with class, not many of those around. We can't get value there-other clubs can offer as much or more in terms of picks and players, so to get him we'd have to sell the farm.

If Pav is on the move, maybe we can facilitate the trade by moving on our pick...if the price is right.

In the bidding war a decent midfielder or two may be put on the table. That number 5 pick may be the chip the other bidders need, a bit like Richmonds picks that secured Carey for Adelaide.

I think we need to stay out of the big name trade, but see what our picks might secure if a multi-party deal is on.
 

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I honestly wouldn't mind seeing us do what Hawthorn did last year and be in lots of trades that get us lots of first round picks. Something like a second round pick and a player ranked 11-22 on our list traded for a first round pick.
 

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Pavlich is the kind of good that it's impossible to overpay for.

You could trade anything for him (possibly barring both #2 and #5) and still get a good deal.

Besides, Pavlich has been an All Australian FB, midfielder and CHF. How can we not need him? He plays at All-Australian standard no matter where he plays.

We're not in the hunt though. If he wanted to leave Freo, it would be to go home to SA.
 

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Players of Pavlich's class and match winning ability don't come around often. If we were lucky enough to get a second chance at him we'd be crazy not to take it. If he cost us a few player and pick 2 then so be it. If we end up with too many forwards and neither he nor anyone else can go back then we have tradeable forwards to secure midfielders.

He'll probably stay and if he goes it will probably be to SA but we have to make every effort to get him if there is any chance.
 
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I wouldnt mind us trading the second pick (#5) only if we can get an A grade player though... Bartel pavlich etc yes..

But if not i want to keep this pick and pick up one of the kpp, hopeuflly ryder.. develop him into a chb, exavctly what we need..

Plz dont trade no.5 for spare parts mick
 

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Cyclops said:
I know we're supposed to use our draft picks as God intended-to pick up young talent. I know we've been burnt by some of our pick-for-player trades (eg McKee) so we should invest in youth a la Geelong and St Kilda and reap the crop when it ripens.

BUT

There's all this wild crazy talk about top players on the move. Bartel and Pavlich and lord knows who.

I'm not sure we need Pav. I know he's a cracking player, absolute top notch, but on paper we have a decent forward line, which is his best possie. We lack pacy midfielders.

Also Pav's price will be exorbitant, especially if he wins the Brownlow. He's a KPP forward with class, not many of those around. We can't get value there-other clubs can offer as much or more in terms of picks and players, so to get him we'd have to sell the farm.

If Pav is on the move, maybe we can facilitate the trade by moving on our pick...if the price is right.

In the bidding war a decent midfielder or two may be put on the table. That number 5 pick may be the chip the other bidders need, a bit like Richmonds picks that secured Carey for Adelaide.

I think we need to stay out of the big name trade, but see what our picks might secure if a multi-party deal is on.
if pav is on teh move take him!he can play in the middle too!
 

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Like i said in the other thread

Locks
woey both wa boys
pick 5
and 2nd PSD

and the blank check... pav in the side in 06 we would tilt the flag easy.. we would just use pick 2 for the best ready made mid, like hurn, and rush it while bucks and co are still around.. its not the long term answer though..
 

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Like i said in the other thread

Locks
woey both wa boys
pick 5
and 2nd PSD

and the blank check... pav in the side in 06 we would tilt the flag easy.. we would just use pick 2 for the best ready made mid, like hurn, and rush it while bucks and co are still around.. its not the long term answer though..
You can't trade a PSD pick, and that trade is garbage.

Tarrant, pick #5 and pick #21 might be in the ball park for a player of Pavlich's caliber...
 

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You can't trade a PSD pick, and that trade is garbage.

Tarrant, pick #5 and pick #21 might be in the ball park for a player of Pavlich's caliber...
Have you been shopping at Harrods Vin? That is very pricey even for the Pav. Pick 5 & 21 and Lockyer and when I look at this its not nearly enough so we'll just have to walk away.
 

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You can't trade a PSD pick, and that trade is garbage.

Tarrant, pick #5 and pick #21 might be in the ball park for a player of Pavlich's caliber...
Can we draft someone then give them whoever they want in PSD though?? or would that be too late..
 

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Can we draft someone then give them whoever they want in PSD though?? or would that be too late..
It's obviously too late.

The trade period is before the draft period, you know that.
 

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Geez, I wish I was on the stuff you're on :D
..Ok I meant I'm not sure we need him at his inflated price. I think in terms of value we're better off supplying the picks that will net Geelong or Adelaide the deal in exchange for the quick midfielders we need.

He's such a good player clubs will pay well over the odds for him, like Adelaide did with Carey. I know thats another story, but the principle holds true. I think both the Tiges and North did better out of that deal because the Crows were buying hype as well as talent.
 

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..Ok I meant I'm not sure we need him at his inflated price.
Woey is on 500k. He'll be delisted. If Tarrant was involved in the Pavlich trade there'd be tons of room to fit Pavlich in the cap. Throw in O'Bree to the trade (who is on decent money) and there's 1 mil easy you could pay Pavlich without asking players to take cuts.

Money is not an issue, especially considering there is nobody at the club worthy of a massive payrise.

It wont happen but its worthy of speculation. Another "trade" I suggested was the Pavlich to South Australia scenario - a three way trade involving Pavlich to Port, Tredrea to Collingwood, and Tarrant plus a sweetener to Freo.
 

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Woey is on 500k. He'll be delisted. If Tarrant was involved in the Pavlich trade there'd be tons of room to fit Pavlich in the cap. Throw in O'Bree to the trade (who is on decent money) and there's 1 mil easy you could pay Pavlich without asking players to take cuts.

Money is not an issue, especially considering there is nobody at the club worthy of a massive payrise.
Why do people bring up tarrent all the time.. give him a chance.. he is black and white through and through, we where lucky to even see him in 05... if we loose taz it will be a big mistake and MM will never let it happen.. sure pav is AA star but he does have some questions marks over his shoulders and is not worth loosing tarrent + other picks for.. it would almost be like selling the clubs soul.. next you will be wanting didak and josh traded..
 

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Price as in trade price, not salary. I guess Freo would want a Carey price (two first round picks, maybe two top ten picks).

Taz had an injured year, so his trade price would be deflated vis a vis what his value will be to a side next year. Pav has had a gun year so his price is higher than his value will be next year.

Tredrea is a prime trade target-Port were down and there was some negative press re team problems. If we could trade for him (and I can't see it happening) we'd probably do alright in the deal.
 

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I never bring up Tarrant. I consider him a required player.

But if a genuine superstar like Pavlich became available I'd trade Tarrant in a heartbeat.
 

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In terms of attracting Pav. the go would be to offer a huge sign on fee with our current cap space created by front loading gumbies over the last 2 years. If we don't have $1m cap space then we can't run a football club for sh.it. Offer him a $1m up front sign on fee and half a mil per annum paid in advance for the next 3 years. Then set about doing the deal with the no. 2 PSD pick as blackmail. I can't see how Carlton could match the $1.5m first year cap requirement and if we can't then we should start offloading to fit him in. We have to find ways to make these half or quarter chances work rather than offer excuses for letting them slip by.
 

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In terms of attracting Pav. the go would be to offer a huge sign on fee with our current cap space created by front loading gumbies over the last 2 years. If we don't have $1m cap space then we can't run a football club for sh.it. Offer him a $1m up front sign on fee and half a mil per annum paid in advance for the next 3 years. Then set about doing the deal with the no. 2 PSD pick as blackmail. I can't see how Carlton could match the $1.5m first year cap requirement and if we can't then we should start offloading to fit him in. We have to find ways to make these half or quarter chances work rather than offer excuses for letting them slip by.
Great theory except Pavlich is contracted. He cant simply walk into the PSD. If Freo wont agree to a trade, Pavlich either plays for Freo or has a year travelling around Europe.

Like i said, all good fun specualtion but nothing will come of any of it.
 

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In terms of attracting Pav. the go would be to offer a huge sign on fee with our current cap space created by front loading gumbies over the last 2 years. If we don't have $1m cap space then we can't run a football club for sh.it. Offer him a $1m up front sign on fee and half a mil per annum paid in advance for the next 3 years. Then set about doing the deal with the no. 2 PSD pick as blackmail. I can't see how Carlton could match the $1.5m first year cap requirement and if we can't then we should start offloading to fit him in. We have to find ways to make these half or quarter chances work rather than offer excuses for letting them slip by.
I swear you should stand as President Mark.
I wonder why Eddie and Board just don't give it all up and hand the whole thing over to you.
You know far more about it that they do.
 

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Great theory except Pavlich is contracted. He cant simply walk into the PSD. If Freo wont agree to a trade, Pavlich either plays for Freo or has a year travelling around Europe.

Like i said, all good fun specualtion but nothing will come of any of it.
Good point. Next year?

I reality I can't see him moving but if he did home would be his destination.
 

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I swear you should stand as President Mark.
I wonder why Eddie and Board just don't give it all up and hand the whole thing over to you.
You know far more about it that they do.
Ha, sarcastic bastard. You'll vote for me wontcha Muz?
 
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