Roast Opportunity Lost....

[Sh0rty13]

How did we do it again?

We missed the boat on Stevey Johnson who then went on to be AA in 07, 08 and 2010 and still played quality football right up until last year.

Now we seem to have done the same with Matty Kreuzer... surely the risk on his body was worth the punt as opposed to the known quantity that was Chris Mayne?

I know we haven't needed a ruckman, but Kreuzer is a threat up forward that would have helped out Darcy so much more than Mayne playing in the twos....

 

[Kappa]

Quite happy we passed on Krezuer tbh.

He's having a solid year but his body won't last much longer

 

[jonbe54]

How did we do it again?

We missed the boat on Stevey Johnson who then went on to be AA in 07, 08 and 2010 and still played quality football right up until last year.

Now we seem to have done the same with Matty Kreuzer... surely the risk on his body was worth the punt as opposed to the known quantity that was Chris Mayne?

I know we haven't needed a ruckman, but Kreuzer is a threat up forward that would have helped out Darcy so much more than Mayne playing in the twos....

Due diligence - the same people complaining the loudest about not taking the risk on Johnson and Kreuzer will most likely be the same people howling about the selection of Freeman and Schazza.

Some people just want it both ways

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Happy to have cruised past kreuzer

 

[Sh0rty13]

Due diligence - the same people complaining the loudest about not taking the risk on Johnson and Kreuzer will most likely be the same people howling about the selection of Freeman and Schazza.

Some people just want it both ways

I'm fine with the selections of Shaz and Freeman. I still think that Shaz will be a great player for the club, Freemans hamstring issues have been unfortunate

 

[jonbe54]

I'm fine with the selections of Shaz and Freeman. I still think that Shaz will be a great player for the club, Freemans hamstring issues have been unfortunate

Simple fact of the matter is the draft is in many ways a lottery, and adding a history of injuries to that mix makes it worse.
Can't pick all the winners and can't avoid all the wipeouts.

 

[TradeDraft]

Reason we did not get him because Witts did not want to be in the Treloar Trade

 

[ThePhantom777]

Reason we did not get him because Witts did not want to be in the Treloar Trade

I thought that was the year before? Anyway, if we could have got Treloar for Witts and a pick would have been much better. The big guy ****ed us, Suns got him for nothing.

 

[deck]

Not really sure on what we're missing here. Kreuzer is a ruckman and has done nothing to suggest he can hold down a forward roll full time.

He's been decent but definitely not ahead of Grundy. And considering he still would have commanded somewhat decent coin he wouldn't be worth it for a part time ruck roll. If your going to play a ruckman as a full time forward he better be dirt cheap.

 

[ppoiter]

As I recall, picking up Kreuzer would have meant him, Witts and Grundy on our list. There are so many things to legitimately complain about at the moment but not this

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Buckley, Rocca, Clement, Holland, Licuria, O'Bree, Woewodin, Adams, Howe, Treloar

 

[Big Bryza]

We have many problems, however the ruck isn't one of them.

Grundy and Moore is a fine combo.

We need speedy backmen with skills, genuine crumbing forwards not these midfielder types trying to play a role they are not suited to.

Finally a genuine key forward to give Darcy a chop out.

Overall we need to place a huge emphasis on speed and mostly skilled footballers.

 

[BEEG]

Kruz has been great not what we need, he would have struggled without the number 1 ruck role.

 

[ZEV]

Buckley, Rocca, Clement, Holland, Licuria, O'Bree, Woewodin, Adams, Howe, Treloar

wakelin, ball, jolly....

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Due diligence - the same people complaining the loudest about not taking the risk on Johnson and Kreuzer will most likely be the same people howling about the selection of Freeman and Schazza.

Some people just want it both ways

No, I was fine with the selection of Scharenberg. Feel free to find my posts about it back then. Freeman? I had no idea who he was. I wanted Lennon. I'm still fine with Scharenberg. It's not like knee injuries can be predicted before they happen.

But I am one of the crowd who is pissed we didn't get Stevie J.

Kreuzer? I wanted Kreuzer personally because he can play as a forward if we need him to as well as a ruck. But given Grundy's progression, I"m not 100% certain how that would have played out. It would have meant Cox got absolutely zero exposure and Jesse White/Keefe would never see senior time again.

So I huess yeah, we probably should have gone for Kreuzer.

 

[jonbe54]

No, I was fine with the selection of Scharenberg. Feel free to find my posts about it back then. Freeman? I had no idea who he was. I wanted Lennon. I'm still fine with Scharenberg. It's not like knee injuries can be predicted before they happen.

But I am one of the crowd who is pissed we didn't get Stevie J.

Kreuzer? I wanted Kreuzer personally because he can play as a forward if we need him to as well as a ruck. But given Grundy's progression, I"m not 100% certain how that would have played out. It would have meant Cox got absolutely zero exposure and Jesse White/Keefe would never see senior time again.

So I huess yeah, we probably should have gone for Kreuzer.

You sound like one of the crowd who are constantly wise after the occasion.
Stevie J was a worse injury prospect than either Freeman or Schazz and I'd bet my bottom dollar you'd have been screaming for blood if he had of had the tribulations these two have.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

You sound like one of the crowd who are constantly wise after the occasion.
Stevie J was a worse injury prospect than either Freeman or Schazz and I'd bet my bottom dollar you'd have been screaming for blood if he had of had the tribulations these two have.

No.

Not at all. Not if he's costing nothing. I have no issue taking "injury prone" players if they cost nothing. From memory, Stevie J wasn't costing us much, if anything at all. So no issue.

Giving up high picks or players for injury prone players? Different ball game.

 

[half_back_flank]

Going just off the thread title, you could have given me 100 chances to guess the thread subject and I would have failed.

As others have said, Kreuzer would struggle playing significant minutes up forward which he'd be forced to in our set up at the present. Carlton tried it in the past when they had Warnock and Wood who could ONLY play ruck and it didn't work.

 

[DaVe86]

My understanding is that we were keen if Witts left. Witts decided to stay so we didn't entertain it, especially since rumours say he didn't pass a physical.

In any event, Kreuzer is a number 1 ruck. I doubt he and Grundy combined would have solved our problems.

 

[Black_White]

OP is correct.
And not many replies addressing his Kreuzer vs Mayne comparison.

 

[loki04]

Buckley, Rocca, Clement, Holland, Licuria, O'Bree, Woewodin, Adams, Howe, Treloar

Are we playing sesame streets some of these names just don't belong game?

 

[jackcass]

OP is correct.
And not many replies addressing his Kreuzer vs Mayne comparison.

Hard to compare given Mayne isn't a ruckman, Kreuz isn't a forward.

 

[Gone Critical]

OP is correct.
And not many replies addressing his Kreuzer vs Mayne comparison.

Also the possibility of getting Kreuzer occured on a background of moving Witts which didnt happen. Maynes deal went through the following season so I dont see the 2 decisions as related or alternatives.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Loving this opportunity lost thread when even with hindsight most people still dont want Kreuzer or consider it an opportunity lost. Kreuzer would have been of no value at Collingwood just as Witts was of no value at Collingwood. In fact Witts refusing to be traded the year prior probably helped us dodge a bullet and pass on Kreuzer.

In reality we should have kept Cloke for another season if we werent going to replace him immediately with somebody better than Mayne. Not that I'd call it an opportunity lost. Just a blunder.

 

[Scodog10]

As I recall, picking up Kreuzer would have meant him, Witts and Grundy on our list. There are so many things to legitimately complain about at the moment but not this

This. There's no way both Grundy and Kreuzer would be in the form they are if they were both on our list. Congrats to Kreuzer for his form turnaround and congrats to the list management team for backing in Witts and Grundy (though I do feel like they got lucky with his scan)!