Orlando and Memphis make big trade

[Carmelo Anthony]

Orlando have traded Mike Miller, Ryan Humphrey and a 1st rd pick to Memphis for Drew Gooden and Gordon Giricek.

Comments??

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Orlando have traded Mike Miller, Ryan Humphrey and a 1st rd pick to Memphis for Drew Gooden and Gordon Giricek.

Comments??

Sounds fair I think. Magic get a bit of size and Grizzlies get a good shooting guard / forward in Miller.

 

[Portmanteau]

Fairly even if you look into it. Magic get what they desperately need, albeit in a developing big man... and a watered down Mike Miller in Gordan Giricek.

The Grizz have Gasol and Lorenzon Wright playing the 4 and 5 currently, which left Gooden out of the mix, as he was incapable of playing small forward. So basically, the net result for the Grizzlies is increased perimeter presence - although I think Wesley Person's minutes may be cut significantly - and some good hustle off the bench with Humphrey - who can play a multitude of positions.

I think this trade was even, but will probably benefit the Magic moreso in the future.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

As a Grizzlies fan, i'm quite happy with the deal.

Whilst losing quality guys like Drew Gooden is hard, we needed to make the move because he was always going to be stuck behind Pau.

Mike Miller will give us two much needed things, a) a CONSISTENT outside threat, and b) some help on the boards.

As things stand, we had JWill trying to pull shots out his arse, and Pau playing a lone hand in the post.

Now, we have that third scoring option in Miller, a guy who, unlike Giricek and Wes Person, has the ability to penetrate.

Overall, a fucking awesome trade for both teams.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

Memphis got r*ped

Gooden is alot better than Miller, who is an inconsistent shooter, who plays poor defense.

Id rather have Giricek than sacramento's 1st rd pick, a 2nd rd pick from Denver? and a bust in Ryan Humphreys.

It sounds like a good deal for Memphis, but Mike Miller is as good as he'll ever get, and Gooden will be a stud..

West shouldnt of drafted Gooden, it was considered stupid at the time, and even stupider now.

 

[mattyc2422]

Agreed CA. Gooden will be a gun and will get a better chance at Orlando. Giricek's rights were owned by SA at one stage and he has impressed on occassion for Memphis.

On the other hand, I'm not a Miller fan.

 

[Portmanteau]

Orlando acquires Drew Gooden:

Game over, eh, Jod?

 

[Booze Hound]

I can see why Memphis did it, not a bad move for them, but any magic fan must be happy.

They badly needed something decent in the front court and have got it.

 

[Dingster]

Looks like a short term win for the Grizz and long term win for the Magic.

However....Gooden`s minutes and production have dropped the past few months and West is a pretty astute businessman. This trade may need a bit of time to see who wins.

From an Orlando point of view, I`m not sure if that`s the best deal they could have got. Though with TMac, they needed someone that won`t shoot the ball.

 

[Mattster]

how do these draft picks work? Is it for the upcoming draft or for any draft? Cos if it was a strong draft, then sacramentos pick could still get a pretty handy player.

On first glimpse, i felt memphis got the better deal. But looking at it longer term, Orlando probably did good too. Pretty even if you ask me

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by Guey_34
Orlando acquires Drew Gooden:

Game over, eh, Jod?

Never say never!!!

Now I have to hope that Gooden doesnt really fit in well and takes time to start producing. I also have to hope that with Orlando's only other scoring option outside of T-Mac shipped off, that will provide the Magic with pleny of L's!

Stackhouse is finally back....lost to the freaking stupid Hornets though. CMON WIZARDS!! CMON MJ!!!

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Gooden will be a stud..

The point is, he wouldn't have been a stud in Memphis.

The guy cannot play any other position outside the 4, and as we all know, that is Pau's spot.

He could go on and average 18 and 8, but at the end of the day, he would still be a 2nd or 3rd stringer in Memphis, thus his value was effectively nothing.

Sure, he may become a star for Orlando, but that isn't really a concern for Memphis.

We need scoring at the 3, something that Gooden proved incapable of doing thus we went for Miller.

You don't keep guys who aren't able to contribute in the manner you want.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony

Id rather have Giricek than sacramento's 1st rd pick, a 2nd rd pick from Denver? and a bust in Ryan Humphreys.

Why?

Giricek can do one thing, shoot. And he doesn't even do that well.

The guy couldn't establish a position within the weakest SG roster in the league.

Speaks volumes.

After a few weeks of his inconsistent shooting, Doc Rivers will put him at the end of the bench.

 

[jerry springer]

good trade for the magic,i cant really see why the grizzlies needed another small forward when they have battier.but there is no use in having him sitting behind gasol maybe they should have gone for a vetern point guard and decent shooting guard.makes you wonder why west picked him in the first place.Miller could really bust out now though as he is a quaility scorer and J-Will is a better passer then Armstrong and Macgrady who is a black hole

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jerry springer
i cant really see why the grizzlies needed another small forward when they have battier

We have more depth at the 2, then we do at the 3.

Right now, we have Wesley Person and Mike D playing the 2, with only Battier for the 3.

Clearly we needed more depth in the small forward position.

BTW I'd expect Battier and Miller to start together on most nights. We need Battier's brilliant defence on the court to compensate for the defensive weaknesses of Gasol and Miller.

 

[jerry springer]

The future actually looks quite bright for the griz,they have some great young talent and now just need to get a tough defensive veteran big man to help out with Gasol and Swift's development,someone like a Dale Davis type player perhaps.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

A good start for both guys involved in the deal.

Drew Gooden ended with 22 and 11, whilst Mike Miller came off the bench to end up with 23 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

 

[tige19]

Gooden scores 26 againts the Bucks. Magic have 7 of 8 since getting the rookies.
Miller is doing the job so far but his as good as he will ever be.
Gooden will be a star and the magic will be a force
All in all Orlando win this trade 65-35.
I would have traded Swift way before getting rid of Gooden i mean does Swift know what a basketball ring looks like and if so does he know how to put a ball through basket i mean has this guy realy justified his top 5 pick he dosent score at all well barely he should be posting numbers of 20ppg 8rbg 1bpg, instead he is putting up numbers of 8ppg 4rpg and 1 bpg.
A worst pick than Kwame Brown.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by tige19

I would have traded Swift way before getting rid of Gooden

Let me get this straight, you call Gooden a future star, and basically call Strom a hack, then suggest that the Grizzlies should have dealt Swift instead.

Defies logic.

If he's as bad as you say, you couldn't logically suggest he was a genuine replacement in any trades involving Gooden.

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Let me get this straight, you call Gooden a future star, and basically call Strom a hack, then suggest that the Grizzlies should have dealt Swift instead.

Defies logic.

If he's as bad as you say, you couldn't logically suggest he was a genuine replacement in any trades involving Gooden.

Just stating the facts my friend and the basketball is a game of statistics and the stats show that Gooden is by far the superior Ball player than Strom,if anyone begs to differ id like to see the proof??????

cheers mate

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by tige19
Just stating the facts my friend and the basketball is a game of statistics and the stats show that Gooden is by far the superior Ball player than Strom,if anyone begs to differ id like to see the proof??????

cheers mate

Who said otherwise?

Not once did i ever say that Strom was as good or better then Gooden.

The point is, you said that Memphis should have traded Strom, then proceeded to rip on him as if his name was Mark Madsen.

Which is he? A trade worthy player, or a complete hack?

BTW The tragic loss of Lo Wright's daughter has given Strom some much deserved court time. In that time, he is averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. Fair effort?

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Who said otherwise?

Not once did i ever say that Strom was as good or better then Gooden.

The point is, you said that Memphis should have traded Strom, then proceeded to rip on him as if his name was Mark Madsen.

Which is he? A trade worthy player, or a complete hack?

BTW The tragic loss of Lo Wright's daughter has given Strom some much deserved court time. In that time, he is averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds and 4 blocks. Fair effort?

17,8 and 4 are medioric numbers for a number 2 pick although they are a marked improvment on previous stats.
Still all i said was he doesnt put the points on the board i belive he has great defensive skills and can block the best of them but the numbers he puts up are unaccetable for a 3rd year number 2 thats all im saying,both him and Kwame are great dissapointments at this stage.

 

[jod23]

Saying Memphis should have traded Swift instead of Gooden is all well and good but let's be honest here, Orlando wouldnt have been interested in Giricek and Swift for Miller.

Oh and stop ripping on Kwame Brown. In all previous "straight outta high schoolers" it is a well documented fact that they dont really show anything until their third year. Brown's third year is next season and with Jordan gone I think Brown will step up and show his worth.

 

[Booze Hound]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Giricek can do one thing, shoot. And he doesn't even do that well.

The guy couldn't establish a position within the weakest SG roster in the league.

Speaks volumes.

After a few weeks of his inconsistent shooting, Doc Rivers will put him at the end of the bench.

The Magic are very, that's VERY impressed with Gordon, who seems to have fitted in beautifully and give them a great deal at both ends.

At the moment this deal is looking sweet for the Magic.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
The Magic are very, that's VERY impressed with Gordon, who seems to have fitted in beautifully and give them a great deal at both ends.

At the moment this deal is looking sweet for the Magic.

The deal is all of what, 10 days old?

People need to give trades a few months, or even a year, to determine whether they have worked well for both teams

The majority of traded players perform really well in their first few weeks in a new atmosphere, the test comes down the track (as should the judgements).