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Player Watch Oscar Steene

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Doc1763 said:
unlike some on here, I dont profess to know more about the game than our coaches.
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Weird response for two reasons.

One you asked what people were expecting, then go off on some weird tangent when a person replies.

Two, I am sure you don't know more about politics than politicians, but you get to decide who is the best person for the job every couple of years.
 
rand corp said:
Needs to be given more time at center clearance as we are getting smashed there, then send him forward as our tall keys are not doing well up there, whilst Cameron roams the ground.
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Agreed.

Thought the way we used him last night (or lack thereof) was really strange.
 
Assuming reduced TOG was structure related due to conditions? But why not pick a small instead?
 

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Robroy22 said:
I think moreso than ever before Ruckmen are going to be chosen on a "needs be" basis this year. For years you've really only needed the one big unit who could bash his way through contest and take a few marks around the ground but these "new rules" (you'll understand why I've parenthesised this in a minute) really mean coaches will be looking at what oppo teams have in terms of ruck setups and then choosing a ruck combo to exploit that.

Oldies like myself have lived this phenomenon before, I grew up in a time where all teams had a first ruck and a resting ruck and that was the way it was. The first ruck was the class act and the second ruck was basically a big bloke expected to take a few grabs and kick a couple of goals and chop out in the front half allowing the main man to play a "kick behind the play".

Fenton Smith and Bob Johnson, Fellowes and Weideman, Polly Farmer and Sam Newman, Big Nick and Percy Jones, Thommo and Jerka Jenkins......the lists were endless. But then the Athletic Rucks appeared in the late '70's and '80's. Peter Moore, Jimmy Stynes these blokes showed they could run all day and allow teams to play extra mids. By the end of the '90's (with the then "new ruck rules"....the circle and the centre line) rucks were further constrained "to avoid the PCL injuries" they said. And that's the way it stayed until 2026 when the AFL decreed that rucks would be encouraged to JUMP into the contest once again (perhaps they've been genetically modified to not have PCL's anymore?? ) and we find ourselves where teams are scouring their lists for anyone who can jump and certain rucks have been condemned to the scrap heap.

Oscar Steene is a jumper and he demonstrated that skill against GWS (Briggs his opponent that day has been dropped 2 games later because he can't jump). But Oscar Steen has also spent most of his development years learning to ruck as a contest ruckman, the jumping had been coached out of him and the strength moves had been implemented. Now all of a sudden he's supposed to re-kindle his junior years and jump at fully grown men intent on destruction. He did well against Briggs because Briggs can't jump but he was on a hiding to nothing against Draper (Bris) because Draper is bigger, older, heavier and can jump just as high as Oscar.

For those of you who've never done it, running straight at a 110kg ball of muscle, jumping as high as you can when your eyes are on a ball some 3 metres above your head is leaving yourself open to the most horrific sorts of injuries. You HOPE that your lead leg will land atop your opponents without the knees clashing and that you'll get a lift up towards the ball. But if it doesn't, then you'll probably lose the hit out but you'll probably also cop a knee in the ribs for your trouble. Then because you're now enmeshed with your opponent the likelihood is that he's going to land on top of you on the concrete like centre of the ground.

So my take on the fact that Oscar only attended 2 CB's against Freo is that our coaches are trying to use him sparingly against big powerful rucks (Darcy and Jackson) but probably more against similar types like he might find against Carlton and Essendon. He's still a baby ruckman that needs protection against some of the predatory beasts that other clubs have (like Draper, Xerri, Sweet etc).
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And just to add, he's not just up against Darcy/Jackson at centre bounce hitouts where he might win some taps, he's up against them at the around the ground ones which are still about strength as well as competing at the fall of the ball. Cameron is still our best bet in all those situations as well as around the ground non stoppage contests, even though Steene is going a heap better than expected.
 
Kappa said:
It was not a night for 2 ruckmen...
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We definitely needed 2 rucks.

Can you imagine Cameron going up by himself against Darcy, jackson and any of the 3 freo forwards? He would have been worn down by half time.

Not sure why we didn't give steene more exposure as a forward. He would have atleast brought the ball to the ground with all the inside 50 bombing we love so much.
 
satty said:
We definitely needed 2 rucks.

Can you imagine Cameron going up by himself against Darcy, jackson and any of the 3 freo forwards? He would have been worn down by half time.

Not sure why we didn't give steene more exposure as a forward. He would have atleast brought the ball to the ground with all the inside 50 bombing we love so much.
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We can play McStay in the ruck for patches, its not like we need him up forward all game... and it's not like Cameron was giving us an advantage in the ruck anyway
 
Kappa said:
We can play McStay in the ruck for patches, its not like we need him up forward all game.
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Oh no no no, absolutely not. We would have been absolutely destroyed if mcstay took any of the ruck contests.

It would be as good as letting the freo rucks go unchallenged at the ruck contests.
 
If they want to persist with Cameron in the ruck then forget about playing Beau, De Goey (which they should regardless) , Josh in midfield. Beau and JDG run to their spot in the genuine belief that Cameron will win the tap lol.

Personally I want to see more of Steene. And see if he can form a combination with our mids.

We have lost centre clearance every week this season, apart from GWS that we drew.
 
Oscar,s strength is his leap which with new ruck we should be taking advantage of better and I would prefer to see him resting forward as opposed to what we currently have upfront. It is obvious we are really struggling this probably will continue so so my expectations of Oscar making much difference are low but I do want to see him played and played to best advantage. He obviously will not able to ruck all season but I do not want McStay in there.
 

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JLC said:
If they want to persist with Cameron in the ruck then forget about playing Beau, De Goey (which they should regardless) , Josh in midfield. Beau and JDG run to their spot in the genuine belief that Cameron will win the tap lol.

Personally I want to see more of Steene. And see if he can form a combination with our mids.

We have lost centre clearance every week this season, apart from GWS that we drew.
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Absolutely. It’s shit for Cameron but we must be doing what is best for the team with the new rules.
 

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whiskeytown said:
Most influential 8 disposals game from a newbie I’ve seen in a while

Might have the odd quiet game, but just need to back the talent and fast track him
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Touches stay can lie

It’s what you do with them
 

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