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So package one with a second or third rounder for a first rounder, or just for a second rounder. The wisdom of this obviously relies on draft depth, but there's always some value in the late first and second rounds if you can afford to draft the best available rather than for needs. As Saints fans keep going to pains to work out, players they've picked up with picks they traded for are among their best.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I say its time to raid the Doggies for Faulkner, Harris and maybe McMahon and Demons for Bell and Smith ;)
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Definatley Faulkner.

Will Minson (199cm, 98 kg from Norwood) would be worth watching this year as well.
 
Originally posted by Jerome
Will Minson (199cm, 98 kg from Norwood) would be worth watching this year as well.
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Not a fan ;)

At that size he should be a ruck prospect but he HATES playing in the ruck and wants to play CHF even tho he is not really good at it.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
His value as a bigman will not have diminished too much, give the way most clubs would be viewing the Richmond situation.
Most coaches would believe they could turn him around and re-invigorate him. Hence he would be IMO a first round pick.
Would I chase him. No - has the talent, but no grunt, that I like to see in a bigman. And I certainly wouldn't give a first round draft pick for him.
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well my friend then you wouldnt have him then...cause there is plenty of clubs out there that would pay it ...dont forget rent croad went for a first rounder and you mugs mortaged aami stadium to get a 30something Carey...at 25 yrs of age theyd be a cue from Punt rd to Flinders st ...so you know where to stick the 2nd r pick
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I reckon someone from here rang 5AA this morning asking th epanel what they think would Ottens be worth in terms of trade value. Everyone (Cornes, KG, Ebert and Rucci) said that all things being equal top 10 pick is a fair trade.

The only question they have raised is if his back is up to it after he had that surgery last year. He is 24 and in their mind is worth a top 10 pick and all of them would give it up without second thought.
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there you have it some expert opinion does wonders in light of some of the misguided drivel that has flowed from this forum ..
 
Originally posted by Porthos
In my opinion you're better off keeping all of your picks unless another club comes to you with a good deal (not vice versa), and possibly trade a senior player or two away for additional decent draft picks.

This is apparently shaping as a good draft for key position players and ruckmen, so why trade away for the likes of Ottens who will probably have maybe five more good years of football left? Yes, this doesn't sound like much, but he's been injury plagued all of his career, which should shorten it somewhat.

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I'll refute that **** and bull report...apart from the back injury that he has recovered from he has never sustained a serious injury......keep it up Doc your, bull%%&* smells real good
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
He has been having a fair go at Richmond thats for sure. However, I doubt whether he will accept to coach Richmond.

Would you give Biglands and a pcik for Ottens??????

Speaking of coaches, Michaelangelo Rucci raised a very interesting question in the tiser today regarding Ayres. Its obvious that he has put AFC in front of himself and is prepared to play youngsters for the future benefit of the footy club regardless of the fact whether or not he will be around next year. Rucci said that Ayres has started the job but is he the right man to finish it?????? He also "compared" current situation to that with Shaw when he gave th elikes of McLeod, Edwards, Vardy and a couple of others 10-30 AFL games and it was Blighty who finished the job.

I was wondering what are your thoughts on this??????
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The old adage is " a good bigman will beat a good small man". In todays football it is more imperative that a "good smart bigman" be on your list.
The game today is a thinking mans game. Bigmen are not as nippy into todays lightning fast game, therefore they have to be able to read the game better than ever B4.
Unfortunately Biglands with a build, we would kill for, that also to some degree makes his weaknesses acceptable is not a thinking mans footballer.

I would trade Ottens for Biglands, even though I believe Ottens is soft.
Brains V Physicality - tough call.
The deal that would need to be done IMO would be Biglands + 2nd round pick - does that make it too expensive?

Ayres has my utmost repect as a man of integrity and great personal values. Prepares his team well, has highly questionable match day tactics, but has given us a team, that is competitive, and plays generally an attractive game of attacking football.
The question of junior development is as much to do with support staff/structures and coaching staff.
We are obviously in re-build mode.
After 5 years, if a proven better coach was available, I believe the time is perhaps right for a change. Having said that I do believe on Ayres record, he would get another coaching Gig, somewhere else.
Is the devil you know, better than the the unknown?
If the right coach were not available, I would be quite happy for Ayres to continue - he gives us stability.
I would like however, a stronger match day strategic prescense by our assistant coaches, and perhaps changes need to be made in this area.
 
Originally posted by rioli17
well my friend then you wouldnt have him then...cause there is plenty of clubs out there that would pay it ...dont forget rent croad went for a first rounder and you mugs mortaged aami stadium to get a 30something Carey...at 25 yrs of age theyd be a cue from Punt rd to Flinders st ...so you know where to stick the 2nd r pick
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No wonder Frawley has trouble communicating with his players - no understand English.

Let me explain what I said very simply:
1. Ottens is worth a high 1st round pick, base on market demand
2. I would not like to see Adelaide offer its 1st round pick for Ottens.
3. That does not mean by default, we would offer a 2nd round pick, which I never mentioned.

It can't be that difficult communicating can it?
 
my latest info is that if ottens goes home hes going to Port and Richmond are rather keen on young salopek and a draft pick which will be around pick 14-16 overall.
 
Originally posted by Supertiger
my latest info is that if ottens goes home hes going to Port and Richmond are rather keen on young salopek and a draft pick which will be around pick 14-16 overall.
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If we ever needed a reason to sack Choco, that would be it.
 
Originally posted by Porthos
If we ever needed a reason to sack Choco, that would be it.
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I reckon...

I wouldn't swap Sala for Ottens alone.
 
Originally posted by Supertiger
my latest info is that if ottens goes home hes going to Port and Richmond are rather keen on young salopek and a draft pick which will be around pick 14-16 overall.
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sorry, but there is no way trade discussions and demands are being considered right now.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
I reckon...

I wouldn't swap Sala for Ottens alone.
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If I was Port I would. The clock is ticking for their premiership chances, and Salopek won't enhance it for some time. While he's got talent when playing attacking football, the defensive side of his game is appalling. He doesn't chase hard enough or place enough pressure on the opposition when they have the ball.

Ottens on the other hand would give Port that extra marking forward they've been looking for, while allowing Cornes to become the permanent lynchpin of the defence. I think it would make them genuine premiership contenders.
 
Originally posted by macca23
If I was Port I would. The clock is ticking for their premiership chances, and Salopek won't enhance it for some time. While he's got talent when playing attacking football, the defensive side of his game is appalling. He doesn't chase hard enough or place enough pressure on the opposition when they have the ball.

Ottens on the other hand would give Port that extra marking forward they've been looking for, while allowing Cornes to become the permanent lynchpin of the defence. I think it would make them genuine premiership contenders.
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I wouldn't be overly upset either.
 
Originally posted by macca23
If I was Port I would. The clock is ticking for their premiership chances, and Salopek won't enhance it for some time.
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I disagree. Even if he doesn't do a lot this year, we still wouldn't get Ottens until next year. And if we did trade him, where would our future midfield be? We need a good midfield, not an OK one.

While he's got talent when playing attacking football, the defensive side of his game is appalling. He doesn't chase hard enough or place enough pressure on the opposition when they have the ball.
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So when exactly did Ottens develop these habits?

Ottens on the other hand would give Port that extra marking forward they've been looking for, while allowing Cornes to become the permanent lynchpin of the defence. I think it would make them genuine premiership contenders.
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Yeah, I don't agree. I'm not inspired by Ottens' work ethic or intensity at all, really. There would be a lot of SA expats I would look at ahead of him that could add a lot more to the side, and for longer, especially if we're trading a quality young player like Salopek.
 
If I was Port I would keep Salopek. I think what the Power have done exceptionally well is drag that premiership clock back a bit so their widnow of opportunity will still be open for a couple of years yet.

I think Ottens would fit in nicely at any club especially at Port where he would give them a genuine FF option. But lets not forget we are talking about trading a 10 year player for a 5 year player.

I don't think Port would do that.
 
Originally posted by macca23
If I was Port I would. The clock is ticking for their premiership chances, and Salopek won't enhance it for some time. While he's got talent when playing attacking football, the defensive side of his game is appalling. He doesn't chase hard enough or place enough pressure on the opposition when they have the ball.

Ottens on the other hand would give Port that extra marking forward they've been looking for, while allowing Cornes to become the permanent lynchpin of the defence. I think it would make them genuine premiership contenders.
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Well I wouldn't ;)

Factoring in:

*Francou's knee worries
*James' injuries
*They got nothing for Nick Stevens

Salopek is the tip of the spear of their next generation engine room.

Port have a glut of quality big men - they'd have to be bonkers to trade Salopek for Otto.
 
Originally posted by dyertribe
Well I wouldn't ;)

Factoring in:

*Francou's knee worries
*James' injuries
*They got nothing for Nick Stevens

Salopek is the tip of the spear of their next generation engine room.

Port have a glut of quality big men - they'd have to be bonkers to trade Salopek for Otto.
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But that comes back to what has already been said on here before, definitely by Porthos, and others too I think. It depends on the offer and who initiates the trade.
Port will not go chasing Ottens with Salopeck's contract in hand. If it is going to be contemplated it would be with Richmond taking the initiative.
That in turn makes Salopeck more valuable than Ottens. etc etc.
In that scenario Port could come out of it quite well.

Nobody is irreplaceable. Some come close, but all have a price.
 

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Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Big vs Small

You'd give up Salopek in a heartbeat if it landed you Ottens.
What is he, 24?

who knows maybe Sal wants to go home too?
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Would perhaps be worth doing if Port could then trade for a ready made quality onballer to have a tilt at the premiership. BTW, would be better off offering the Tigers a defender such as Chaplin, as they are in need of tall defenders.
 
Originally posted by Crow-mosone

You'd give up Salopek in a heartbeat if it landed you Ottens.
What is he, 24?
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Yep 24, and he's done nothing for about three years in what should be the prime of career.

I wouldn't be trading one of the competitions best young midfielders for that.
 
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Big vs Small

You'd give up Salopek in a heartbeat if it landed you Ottens.
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Who's the best player in the comp? Michael Voss or Michael Gardiner?

This current lust for big players is overhyped IMO - smacks of the mid-90s when Corey McKernan was supposed to be the future of football.
 

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