Our Backlines efficiency.

[Thecho]

I think it will be more along the lines of if I get it to someone (even if they are 1 meter away in trouble) my job is done. Whereas Newman would be trying to create a forward thrust for the team.

Maybe this is a slight exaggeration, but I think guys like Thursfield, McGaune etc. don't take the risks because 1. it's not their main priority 2. they leave it for the more skilled players like Deledio. I am not saying it is a bad thing, (although with too many in the team it is) I'm just saying facts don't tell the whole story.

 

[Bazzar]

I'm just saying facts don't tell the whole story.

They dont

 

[bigstyletiger]

Madtig some players just don't want the responsibility of making the mistake and or they don't trust their skills. These players would rather handball the responsibility of serious action to another player and therefore not risk their reputation as they are playing/working in such a high pressure environment. This is why I label it selfish. It's like a batsman in one day cricket batting for his average rather than risking his wicket to move the score ticking over and the strike rate up. The selfless ones, eg Gilchrist put the teams interests at heart and take risks.

 

[the ranger]

It's probablyin the team's interest to have Deledio or Newman take the risks, so I don't see anything wrong with it as such. When they put those players under immense pressure, then yeah, that's no good.

 

[Spluff]

Madtig some players just don't want the responsibility of making the mistake and or they don't trust their skills. These players would rather handball the responsibility of serious action to another player and therefore not risk their reputation as they are playing/working in such a high pressure environment. This is why I label it selfish. It's like a batsman in one day cricket batting for his average rather than risking his wicket to move the score ticking over and the strike rate up. The selfless ones, eg Gilchrist put the teams interests at heart and take risks.

So on one hand, you all seem to want players without the best disposal to hand off to better users of the football, but on the other you want them to take more risks? Players like McGuane used to get absolutely crucified when they tried to take the game on and ran the lines but it didn't quite come off - but now they need to do it more?

 

[Bazzar]

Under Leppa, I think players like McGuane are now playing to their strengths and are eliminating their weaknesses. And obviously Lids and Newie are playing that sweeping half back game thats job is to take the risks.

 

[Tiger67]

Interesting thread.
A good mate of mine is involved at one of the other Melbourne based clubs and actuallt made a really interesting point to me about another teams perspective that could well explain these impressive figures for our backlione players.
He said and I quote " They do not set up to win the ball of us in the back half, they are happy to allow the ball out of their forward line as they consider the RFC the easiest team to win the ball off in the midfield. For this reason they set up a zone and allow the ball out easily and then hurt us on the rebound after they win possession in the midfield or half back area, often because of skill errors by the RFC players.

 

[cairo tiger]

anyone can get the first kick out, but it is the second and third rebounding move that is important, this is where we fall apart. the poster about hurting us on the rebound in the middle was right, we dont just need to set up for the easy kick we need a total plan to score

mt keep to the issue, well you dont have anything worthwhile to say anyway so you resort to personal attacks. you have no idea how long I have supported the club and in what was I have supported the club, to say I am on holidays is a joke. not wasting my time on your drivel.

 

[TerryTait]

anyone can get the first kick out, but it is the second and third rebounding move that is important, this is where we fall apart. the poster about hurting us on the rebound in the middle was right, we dont just need to set up for the easy kick we need a total plan to score

mt keep to the issue, well you dont have anything worthwhile to say anyway so you resort to personal attacks. you have no idea how long I have supported the club and in what was I have supported the club, to say I am on holidays is a joke. not wasting my time on your drivel.

MT may have been wrong in previous posts I dont know nor do I care, however his opinion on this point is valid. Your persistence to go the man and not the ball combined with your struggle to put a cohesive sentence together is wearing thin. Move on.

 

[El Tigre]

Interesting thread.
A good mate of mine is involved at one of the other Melbourne based clubs and actuallt made a really interesting point to me about another teams perspective that could well explain these impressive figures for our backlione players.
He said and I quote " They do not set up to win the ball of us in the back half, they are happy to allow the ball out of their forward line as they consider the RFC the easiest team to win the ball off in the midfield. For this reason they set up a zone and allow the ball out easily and then hurt us on the rebound after they win possession in the midfield or half back area, often because of skill errors by the RFC players.

Yeah, it is interesting..

If players are moving to the correct positions, and moving hard giving themselves space, you don't need pin-point accuracy to hit the man.
A defender pushing forward hard to clear area is easy to hit, or at least get near. A bit like the best Engineering is that that doesn't need precision manufacture.

The skill deficiencies we are working on (ala drafting research and selection).
The moving to the correct position is the game plan, which is being learnt
The moving hard is the work rate that Dimma is demanding from the players.
Its a work in progress.

Tho i would like to see the kick in style more like the Pies. When they don't have a man in the clear, they'll kick it to a spot where there are more Pie players than opposition, and bring it to the ground quickly, and handball it around to get some clearance. I can't say i see that in our kick-ins.

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

Our defence is under the pump more than any other. Think some of our turnovers are due to there not being much to kick to upfield so our players have to go so to sideways

MT I reckon that is what is keeping their % up - rather than going forward to 50-50 to to which they are unable to kickt to advantage, or unwilling or instructed not to

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

----, they'll kick it to a spot where there are more Pie players than opposition, and bring it to the ground quickly, and handball it around to get some clearance. I can't say i see that in our kick-ins.[/quote]


I do - unfortunately they havent translated this bit - and kick it to where there are more Pies / Cats/ opposition players

too many times!

 

[santa claws]

there goes mt trying to analyse the game and make something prophetic out of nothing. tip mt, stick to supporting the tigers by just cheering on. thats all you are really good for.

here here ct.dont worry about mt hes only 12. yep i know it shows but we were all young and foolish once.