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It's arguable that 24 years of age should be the peak of a professional footballer's career, after six years in the system, probably between 50-100 games and the fact that few get to 100 suggests you must have a bit of talent there somewhere. Hence at 24, you'd expect them to be coming to the best 2-3 years of their career.

Who are our 24 years this year you ask? (I'll forego the fact that only having two 24 year old's is a bit of a disappointment in itself).

Daniel Bell
Colin Sylvia

Hmm.

We could argue all day which of the two has been most underwhelming, Sylvia has played 70 games, Bell 63. Bell was drafted the year before Sylvia, both first round draft picks, though Sylvia a fair bit higher obviously. Sylvia pre-2008 was dogged by OP and played a good half every year up at the GABBA and that was about it. Daniel Bell was dogged by injuries himself but looked to have turned the corner in late 2007, with a couple of great games, a three-voter against Adelaide the highlight. 2008 saw Sylvia take a couple of
stuttering steps forward and Bell a massive step back.

[Coincidentally, they are actually the same height, and play the same kind of flanker role, albeit at opposite ends of the ground]

Not to dwell in the past though, my question is where can we seen them going next year? Sylvia first...

My view on Sylvia is that he (and the coaching staff) need to give up on the Daniher idea that he will ever be fit/good enough to play a full game in the midfield. I liked him in the role he played last year, chipping about on the half-forward flank and out of the square, he is capable of a good 30-35 goals a year and plenty of games like the 4 goal effort against the Lions. Sylvia is a tremendous mark for his size, and if the ball hits the ground he is not too shabby with his pace either. Like most players, a consistent role will work wonders for Col, I shuddered when I read he wants another crack at the middle of the park. We can have the slickest midfield we want, but we need someone to finish off the work, Sylvia has the ability to do so.

Bell is even more of a conundrum. As with Sylvia, its not hard to see why he was taken early, he's got tremendous pace, tackles like a lion and is generally a pretty good kick of the thing. The problem, and its a fairly major one, is that he lacks a brain. The run-downs are past the point of being funny, the guy is gas, he shouldn't ever be run down. I'm still of the opinion that he is Best 18 if fit, but with Whelan's career drawing to an end, we need a reliable head down there and it would help us no end if Bell could develop into that role. He's a much better player than he has shown so far, and I have a funny feeling if Rivers can stay fit, the entire back line will get a lift out of it, Bell included.

Your thoughts? Where are these two headed?
 
Give bell a crack on. The wing where he can use his strong physiical attributes but not kill us as much with his lack of a brain. At least pre season
 

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BC isn't saying these players are peaking at 24 though, he's saying they should be entering the best 2-3 years of their career (Which I agree with).

If both players have poor years trade and delist because they will be past it. I still think Sylvia can be a midfielder if he ever gets the fitness base, otherwise he should play forward. Bell I don't think will make it after last year and I think he'll be gone come 2010.
 
I think 26 is the normal physical peak.
At 100 games, a player is becoming solid & reliable.
At 150 games a player should be approaching their best, & at 27 is fully physically developed & 'filled out', & intellectually experienced, footy wise.
Then slowly slide with ailments.
 
24-28 is a players best years, hence why we have stuggled over te last 2 years. Look at Geelong in 2007 and 2008 one of the best teams going round and have probably the best players in the afl aged between 25-28.

Hawthorn was an exception to the rule last year, but they did promote their youngsters early as a result fast tracking their progress, although young their players have the experience of 24 year olds.
 
BC isn't saying these players are peaking at 24 though, he's saying they should be entering the best 2-3 years of their career (Which I agree with).
Apart from chronic injury (Rivers, Moloney to name a couple) I agree that at 24 a player is entering the window to their peak years. BC is right, the game has become younger, I reckon almost a year in relative comparison. Younger teams means more responsibility on young sholders these days to step up quicker.

Even if say 27 is the benchmark, 26/27 is the mark depending on the player, by 24 you should know what kind of player you have on your hands for the long term and how good they should be.

Bell is a bit of a worry with his decision making.

As far as Sylvia goes I think he may be one of those players we are better off keeping as an impact player to compliment the list more so than be integral to it. Even if he becomes more consistent on a weekly basis he rarely plays the full 4 quarters (apart from the Hawthorn game last year where he dominated). We may have to change our way of thinking with Sylvia and how we use him, then again he may improve this year and the rest is history - guessing game atm.
 
Yeah, I think 24-27 are probably the peak years for an AFL footballer these days. For me, Sylvia showed some encouraging signs of improvement last season, but he needs to do more than just pinch hit as a half forward.

We need him to be able to have an impact further up the ground otherwise the good sides will just shut him out of the game, giving him no room to operate across HF, as he's not the quickest going around. Medhurst was one who was pigeonholed as a specialist Small Forward, not a great athlete, but worked hard and had an impact in the middle as well as kicking goals last season. Maybe Col could look to that example.

I still think with his skill and body strength, that he would be more effective for us if he could rotate through the middle. He's had virtually his 1st full preseason since arriving at the club so he has every chance to step up this season. If he doesn't make big strides this year then i reckon we seriously need to think about cutting our losses with him.

As for Bell, like others have said, i don't think he has the footy smarts to become a quality AFL player. I'm not sure whether moving him further up the ground would fix the problem. I think he's just about on his last legs with us TBH...
 
I reckon Col deserves one more chance this season to establish himself in the midfield (let's be honest, it's not like we've got a fleet of quality mids in the way). He hasn't really had an injury free pre-season for a while which he seems to be getting this year. If he can establish himself then great, if not, he should specialise on becoming a medium size forward in the Darren Jarman mould (though obviously not as good). He looked pretty dangerous at times down there last year, imagine how he'd go in a team that wasn't getting belted every week!

As for Bell, well, he's got the right ingredients to become a decent player. He probably needs to have a big year this year though.
 
Bump.

They were both terrible today, Bell has all the endeavour in the world but he's never been able to get past that tendency to panic with the ball in his hands and he undoes all his good work by missing with his disposal. Not very effective at all today.

Less said about Col's game, the better.
 

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I'm off the Sylvia bandwagon (I think I was the last on off).

He can GTFO and go back to Casey and actually find the ball, because he gets stuff all possessions at AFL level.
 

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