Owners

[Zidane98]

Each club has got to do what's best for them.

Newcastle have been underfunded for years, and maybe clubs have got the benefit of that in the past.

What are your thoughts on Newcastle's ownership being involved in summoning a dissident journalist to their embassy and killing him? Thoughts on the civil war they are waging in Yemen (UAE are heavily involved in this one)? Thought on them openly encouraging pirate telecasts of EPL coverage? Are these really the sorts of owners you want in the EPL? They don't have to go down the sports washing line of action. I'd be horrified to have the Saudis owning my club.


At what point do we draw the line?

 

[moomba]

What are your thoughts on Newcastle's ownership being involved in summoning a dissident journalist to their embassy and killing him? Thoughts on the civil war they are waging in Yemen (UAE are heavily involved in this one)? Thought on them openly encouraging pirate telecasts of EPL coverage? Are these really the sorts of owners you want in the EPL? They don't have to go down the sports washing line of action. I'd be horrified to have the Saudis owning my club.


At what point do we draw the line?

The league have rules on owners. As long as they are consistent and transparent (which they haven't been so far), let them apply their rules.

After that, I personally don't care who owns football clubs. I watch the football, not the boardroom.

 

[Bostonian]

More shit stain owners who have no affiliation to the club.

Just what the league needs.

 

[Zidane98]

More sh*t stain owners who have no affiliation to the club.

Just what the league needs.

If I'm Steve Bruce and I'm getting summoned to the Saudi consulate in London for a "meeting" after a few poor results I'd be pretty concerned tbh.

 

[moomba]

More sh*t stain owners who have no affiliation to the club.

Just what the league needs.

It's not like the owner they have (Spurs fan iirc) is good for Newcastle or the league.

 

[daicos4ever]

As a long suffering Newcastle fan I can see the point of view re sportswashing.

But I ask what’s the difference with Chelsea, PSG, Man City to name a few. Where do you draw the line?

What about the UK and US governments still heavily involved in trade and diplomacy with Saudi Arabia?

FIFA corruption, hundreds of deaths building the World Cup stadiums in Qatar.

There’s shit everywhere in football.

The “Big Six” breakaway plans, purely to milk as much money out of the game as possible, to the detriment of absolutely everyone else.

Mike Ashley - milking the Club of every last penny, absolutely no investment in infrastructure, and don’t forget how he treats his own Sports Direct employees.

The Premier League are the ones that will sign it off. The issues have always been about piracy and BeIn Sports cracking the shits (rightfully to some extent, but it should concern how much power they seem to have over the Premier League).

There’s been nothing good about being a Newcastle fan since Sir Bobby was boss. Forgive me for being pleased that the Mike Ashley era might be over.

And there won’t be any signings of Mbappe or Harland or anything ridiculous like that. FFP doesn’t allow for it anymore.

I just want Newcastle to be competitive again.

 

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[Bostonian]

It's not like the owner they have (Spurs fan iirc) is good for Newcastle or the league.

I get it, it's all about winning for some.

 

[Loonerty]

As a long suffering Newcastle fan I can see the point of view re sportswashing.

But I ask what’s the difference with Chelsea, PSG, Man City to name a few. Where do you draw the line?

What about the UK and US governments still heavily involved in trade and diplomacy with Saudi Arabia?

FIFA corruption, hundreds of deaths building the World Cup stadiums in Qatar.

There’s sh*t everywhere in football.

The “Big Six” breakaway plans, purely to milk as much money out of the game as possible, to the detriment of absolutely everyone else.

Mike Ashley - milking the Club of every last penny, absolutely no investment in infrastructure, and don’t forget how he treats his own Sports Direct employees.

The Premier League are the ones that will sign it off. The issues have always been about piracy and BeIn Sports cracking the shits (rightfully to some extent, but it should concern how much power they seem to have over the Premier League).

There’s been nothing good about being a Newcastle fan since Sir Bobby was boss. Forgive me for being pleased that the Mike Ashley era might be over.

And there won’t be any signings of Mbappe or Harland or anything ridiculous like that. FFP doesn’t allow for it anymore.

I just want Newcastle to be competitive again.

I think it's that it's an entire country - a country whose reputation is not great and they aren't exactly trying to improve it in the right ways with meaningful reform. There's some improvement on that front, particularly with women's rights but they have a long way to go. Especially after they murdered a journalist on foreign soil.

Qatar is similar but I'm not as aware on who actually owns the team in that case.
In terms of Chelsea, it's an individual owner and I'm genuinely unsure of his status/reputation at the time he bought the club so I can't comment there. But there is a distinct difference.
City is owned, I believe, by the royal family but not the country?

I definitely understand that Mike Ashley going is great for Newcastle, I'm just not sure Saudi Arabia owning the club is necessarily good.

 

[moomba]

I get it, it's all about winning for some.

You clearly don't get it. Because I never said that or suggested that.

You've looked into the future and suggested that a non-Geordie with no previous affiliation to Newcastle would be bad for the league.

All I'm saying is that their current owner had no previous affiliation to the club and was certainly not good for Newcastle or the league.

Perhaps we could get more bent betting shop owners in charge of clubs and fixing matches.

 

[SM]

You clearly don't get it. Because I never said that or suggested that.

You've looked into the future and suggested that a non-Geordie with no previous affiliation to Newcastle would be bad for the league.

All I'm saying is that their current owner had no previous affiliation to the club and was certainly not good for Newcastle or the league.

Perhaps we could get more bent betting shop owners in charge of clubs and fixing matches.

I've seen us win things. I've seen us not win things. Winning things is better.

 

[moomba]

And?

 

[Bostonian]

You clearly don't get it. Because I never said that or suggested that.

You've looked into the future and suggested that a non-Geordie with no previous affiliation to Newcastle would be bad for the league.

All I'm saying is that their current owner had no previous affiliation to the club and was certainly not good for Newcastle or the league.

Perhaps we could get more bent betting shop owners in charge of clubs and fixing matches.

I get it alright. You'll put up with anything if it means you're up there contending.

Better bent bookies than human rights abusing sacks of shit.

 

[daicos4ever]

I think it's that it's an entire country - a country whose reputation is not great and they aren't exactly trying to improve it in the right ways with meaningful reform. There's some improvement on that front, particularly with women's rights but they have a long way to go. Especially after they murdered a journalist on foreign soil.

Qatar is similar but I'm not as aware on who actually owns the team in that case.
In terms of Chelsea, it's an individual owner and I'm genuinely unsure of his status/reputation at the time he bought the club so I can't comment there. But there is a distinct difference.
City is owned, I believe, by the royal family but not the country?

I definitely understand that Mike Ashley going is great for Newcastle, I'm just not sure Saudi Arabia owning the club is necessarily good.

PSG and Man City are both owned by companies financed by sovereign wealth funds. There’s very little distinction between their ownership structures and the proposed Newcastle one with the PIF.

Abromovich was always a shady character. I believe he’s now banned from even entering the UK.

I’m not going to even try and justify Saudi’s history of human rights abuses, women’s rights (though as you say, this has improved), LBGQTI rights etc. but I don’t think it’s fair to lump moral culpability on Newcastle fans when there is just as bad elsewhere in the world of football.

 

[RossFC]

Zidane98 does all this mean you have a vendetta against Newcastle instead of Man City now?

 

[moomba]

I get it alright. You'll put up with anything if it means you're up there contending.

Better bent bookies than human rights abusing sacks of sh*t.

PMSL, the strawman shit coming out of you today.

I supported City long before we started contending, and I'll support City if we ever stop contending.

 

[Zidane98]

Zidane98 does all this mean you have a vendetta against Newcastle instead of Man City now?

I got a problem with any club who harbours these sportswashing sorts of owners. Including our own club if it ever comes to it.

 

[SM]

PMSL, the strawman sh*t coming out of you today.

I supported City long before we started contending, and I'll support City if we ever stop contending.

This is itself a bit of a strawman - which seems your catchphrase lately. No one has said you would stop supporting City if you weren't contending, just that the fact you are now contending means you'll excuse the source of your owner's funds. You yourself said you aren't in it to watch the boardroom just the football. Bit of an "I'm alright Jack" attitude where you're happy to put your head in the sand and just watch the football because you're competing for everything. Which is fine, people are entitled to do that and not mind that Newcastle's owners are human rights abusers. Just like others are entitled to take issue with it and discuss it in a thread called *checks thread title* "Owners".

 

[Bostonian]

PMSL, the strawman sh*t coming out of you today.

I supported City long before we started contending, and I'll support City if we ever stop contending.

Or you could stop supporting them until the sacks of shit are gone. Plenty of fans have done that for other teams.

I'd lose all interest in following my team if they became some vile campaigners play thing.

Pointing out what you'll tolerate isn't a strawman by the way.

 

[Bostonian]

PSG and Man City are both owned by companies financed by sovereign wealth funds. There’s very little distinction between their ownership structures and the proposed Newcastle one with the PIF.

Abromovich was always a shady character. I believe he’s now banned from even entering the UK.

I’m not going to even try and justify Saudi’s history of human rights abuses, women’s rights (though as you say, this has improved), LBGQTI rights etc. but I don’t think it’s fair to lump moral culpability on Newcastle fans when there is just as bad elsewhere in the world of football.

Doesn't FC United prove that if fans are truly against owners then they don't have to support a club while they are there?

I mean if you're willing to support these clubs owners teams then you'd probably put up with a Neo Nazi as your owner too as they both are bas as each other.

 

[Zidane98]

Or you could stop supporting them until the sacks of sh*t are gone. Plenty of fans have done that for other teams.

I'd lose all interest in following my team if they became some vile campaigners play thing.

Pointing out what you'll tolerate isn't a strawman by the way.

It would be a breath of fresh air that supporters of a club publically call out the human rights record of their ownership and the owners themselves pledge to change for the better.

Thats all you really can do as a fan. But to sit back and just pretend / ignore / deflect about legitimate criticism of owners is pretty piss poor for me especially with the reason they bought your club is to promote their country.

 

[Bostonian]

It would be a breath of fresh air that supporters of a club publically call out the human rights record of their ownership and the owners themselves pledge to change for the better.

Thats all you really can do as a fan. But to sit back and just pretend / ignore / deflect about legitimate criticism of owners is pretty piss poor for me especially the reason they bought your club is for to promote their country.

Time will tell how the Geordies react to this ownership.

It's not like anyone is going to have any respect for the club if all of a sudden they start winning shit. Just another turds play toy they will become.

 

[Zidane98]

Time will tell how the Geordies react to this ownership.

It's not like anyone is going to have any respect for the club if all of a sudden they start winning sh*t. Just another turds play toy they will become.

Yep. And lets be clear they dont give a shit about Newcastle. Its just the easiest vehicle for them to acquire in the PL to showcase their soft power. 5 years and a few billion pounds later they will be known for Newcastle winning the league and less known for their horrific human rights record. Im betting they'll throw everything Mbappe in January because they know it will piss of their Qatari nemesis over at PSG.

Is there gonna be a 70% wages to turnover rule in the PL like other leagues?

Cos that will hold them back significantly.

 

[Zidane98]

Would Bojan KantKick accept Saudi ownership at Old Trafford?

 

[SM]

Yep. And lets be clear they dont give a sh*t about Newcastle. Its just the easiest vehicle for them to acquire in the PL to showcase their soft power. 5 years and a few billion pounds later they will be known for Newcastle winning the league and less known for their horrific human rights record. Im betting they'll throw everything Mbappe in January because they know it will piss of their Qatari nemesis over at PSG.

Is there gonna be a 70% wages to turnover rule in the PL like other leagues?

Cos that will hold them back significantly.

Sadly it wouldn't do much to them, but should be there for other clubs in the league. Newcastle would just pop up with some nice Saudi themed sponsors.