Pathetic performance this week

[CaptainDangerfield]

Port backed out when offered more for Thurstans by the Hawks and then nothing happened. Port stuffed it up if anyone.

Our performance this week was sound.

We did teh best we could with Watts.

Too many people this week have been acting like this is all easy and that we should have recruited a star for nothing.

All this outrage is juvenile.

BS...No matter how you try to gloss over it, Adelaide's performance this week was ordinary at best.

 

[Jars458]

BS...No matter how you try to gloss over it, Adelaide's performance this week was ordinary at best.

Rubbish. Talking out of your arse

 

[drakeyv2]

More crap gets spewed out by people who either don't know anything, or at least should know better at trade time than any other time of the year.

ie McDermott's article in the Mail. We would have been better off letting Watts go into the PSD than taking pick 17 coz unproven Fergus will improve St Kilda but we shouldn't have chased White because he is unproven. We should have chased a ruckman instead. Which ruckman Chris? Perhaps we should have done what ever it took to get Ottens here, like you said this time last year. Yes what a great move that would have been.

Then he craps on about what great trading Sydney did. They needed a ruckman & a tall & got Paul Chambers & Ted Richards. Problems solved. Yeh right. Idiot.

I for one was overwhelmed by the mediocrity of those who were offered up in the trades this year.

For all those people who think we did poorly at the trade, what would have constituted doing well?

 

[- PC -]

For all those people who think we did poorly at the trade, what would have constituted doing well?

I dont think we did poorly in what we got. I think we did poorly in how we went about it.

It seemed, looking from the outside, that we ''gave in'' too quickly. Tas and Relapse said it best for me.

I think the only thing they did wrong was not try and make it a 3-way deal, that way by having Selwood pull out they would still have Watts around to try for another 3-way trade.

If we wanted a player for Watts the onus should have been on St Kilda to work out a deal with a further club for a player instead of Adelaide's mentality "Oh they only wanted to offer pick 17, we will take that go shopping ourselves".

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Rubbish. Talking out of your arse

So I would be talking lingo you would understand then - boom, boom.

 

[crazy_big_al]

Rubbish. Talking out of your arse

takes one to know one

 

[Jars458]

So I would be talking lingo you would understand then - boom, boom.

Yes, I understand you completely.

 

[worldpeace]

Richards?? C grader

Some general comments.
Firstly, Richards is a very good player. He is definately not a C grader. Probably a B+.
Secondly, sometimes I think all supporters (all clubs) sit on these forums and talk about their players and after a while they can lose some perspective about some players. Watts I think is the one for Adelaide. He was picked up at pick 14 and (perhaps I don't know for sure) not come on exactly as Adelaide had hoped. He wants to leave and you get pick 17. A lower pick for sure, but other clubs might have put a question mark above his name in the 'development' area. Therefore, 17 was not too unreasonable. However, some wanted pick 6 or thereabouts. (Incidently, were Hawthorn either willing to trade that pick or looking at Watts?). I think that While Watts is first-round, he probably would be a risk for top ten.
Thirdly, in response to all the worry about the shallow draft... there has been one year in recent memory where they didn't say at this stage that it was a shallow draft... and that was 2001. I have this feeling that this one will work out too.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Some general comments.
Firstly, Richards is a very good player. He is definately not a C grader. Probably a B+.
Secondly, sometimes I think all supporters (all clubs) sit on these forums and talk about their players and after a while they can lose some perspective about some players. Watts I think is the one for Adelaide. He was picked up at pick 14 and (perhaps I don't know for sure) not come on exactly as Adelaide had hoped. He wants to leave and you get pick 17. A lower pick for sure, but other clubs might have put a question mark above his name in the 'development' area. Therefore, 17 was not too unreasonable. However, some wanted pick 6 or thereabouts. (Incidently, were Hawthorn either willing to trade that pick or looking at Watts?). I think that While Watts is first-round, he probably would be a risk for top ten.
Thirdly, in response to all the worry about the shallow draft... there has been one year in recent memory where they didn't say at this stage that it was a shallow draft... and that was 2001. I have this feeling that this one will work out too.

why do you say Watts hadn't come on as strong as adelaide had hoped, he was a tall KPP project who was not expected to play for a couple of years, while he filled out.

If a project player is not advancing properly they don't get traded for first round picks, they are marked for delisting often. it's only because he was developing as fast as hoped that he had value - and that value wasn't met.

but that said, I guess it could have been worse.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Some general comments.
Firstly, Richards is a very good player. He is definately not a C grader. Probably a B+.
Secondly, sometimes I think all supporters (all clubs) sit on these forums and talk about their players and after a while they can lose some perspective about some players. Watts I think is the one for Adelaide. He was picked up at pick 14 and (perhaps I don't know for sure) not come on exactly as Adelaide had hoped. He wants to leave and you get pick 17. A lower pick for sure, but other clubs might have put a question mark above his name in the 'development' area. Therefore, 17 was not too unreasonable. However, some wanted pick 6 or thereabouts. (Incidently, were Hawthorn either willing to trade that pick or looking at Watts?). I think that While Watts is first-round, he probably would be a risk for top ten.
Thirdly, in response to all the worry about the shallow draft... there has been one year in recent memory where they didn't say at this stage that it was a shallow draft... and that was 2001. I have this feeling that this one will work out too.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

You say supporters don't rate opposition players but you come out with this pearler. Tell me how often have you seen Watts play in the 2 years he has been on AFL list?????? Have you seen him play both last year and this year, if so, why do you say he hasn't come on as expected?????? Where has he failed to improve??????

This is the same ignorance you talked about in your post. Watts developed enough to warrant a first round pick in return. He was worth more than pick 17 but as Crow-mosone said, it could have turned out a lot worse.

You don't go from a fringe player in SANFL side, to a first choice CHF for a side that has been at the top of the ladder for most of the year and played off in a GF. He improved dramatically in a lot of areas this year. His pace, agility, and hands below his knees also improved out of sight. He has improved his recovery but that area still needs a bit of work. He has filled out his frame and as a result he is not being pushed out of contest as he did last year.

This thing that he hasn't come on as we hoped is an absolute fabrication. Fact is our tall forwards were performing very well this year and they remained injury free for most part of the year. When there was an opening there for Fergus he got injured. He was actually ahead of schedule as far as his development is concerned not as yo put it "not coming on as well as expected".

 

[Crow-mosone]

what I find frustrating is this idea of thinking a player can't be worth anything because someone who made no effort to know something about the player, doesn't know anything.

It's one thing to say a player is worth x or he is worth y, and we can argue all we like on that front.

But I hate this "I don't know anything about him, therefore there is nothing to know" approach.

 

[macca23]

Firstly, Richards is a very good player. He is definately not a C grader. Probably a B+.

I'd never call him a very good player.

I've seen him play many many times on TV, and have always only rated him a C grader.

He's played 33 games over 4 years averaging 7 disposals a game. Plus Sheedy is happy to trade him from a club where his heritage is.

Smells of a C grader to me.

 

[blighty]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

You say supporters don't rate opposition players but you come out with this pearler. Tell me how often have you seen Watts play in the 2 years he has been on AFL list?????? Have you seen him play both last year and this year, if so, why do you say he hasn't come on as expected?????? Where has he failed to improve??????

This is the same ignorance you talked about in your post. Watts developed enough to warrant a first round pick in return. He was worth more than pick 17 but as Crow-mosone said, it could have turned out a lot worse.

You don't go from a fringe player in SANFL side, to a first choice CHF for a side that has been at the top of the ladder for most of the year and played off in a GF. He improved dramatically in a lot of areas this year. His pace, agility, and hands below his knees also improved out of sight. He has improved his recovery but that area still needs a bit of work. He has filled out his frame and as a result he is not being pushed out of contest as he did last year.

This thing that he hasn't come on as we hoped is an absolute fabrication. Fact is our tall forwards were performing very well this year and they remained injury free for most part of the year. When there was an opening there for Fergus he got injured. He was actually ahead of schedule as far as his development is concerned not as yo put it "not coming on as well as expected".

The football club asked him early in the season to resign...to commit for a further two year term...he delayed, put them off, told lies, stuffed around ...anything BUT commit..all the time telling people he lived with & Uni mates he hated the place & couldn't get out quick enough.....he wasn't the most frequent visitor in the weight room either.....Perhaps if he was fair dinkum, bloody honest & hellbent on showing the selectors he was committed to his own improvement instead of conning all & sundry he might get some deserved goodwill.

He showed minimal improvement during the year...fact is our forward line is acknowledged as almost the worst in the AFL...that he could not force his way in says he's not the player some on this forum tout him to be!!!

Personally I think his actions in approaching the draft were no different to Brett Chalmers years ago when he nominated the club he wanted to go to. He was fined $50000 if I can recall.That an official from another club was so clearly involved in smoothing the way for his son to go to the club of his choice is the same obstruction to the workings of the draft that Chalmers was charged with;& Watts jnr & snr should also face.The effect was the same; no other club would deal with Adelaide.