Pavlich

[Jars458]

There is no way Port would give up Carr for just McLeod.

Why would a club give trade a 23yo Vice Captain who is in the coaches leadership group at the club and could possibly play for 10 more years for a player who appears to be past his best and due to injuries may only have 2-3 years left in him.............


Better get a bit more serious with the offers if you think that's going to happen

100% correct. We would have to do better than that no doubt.

Looks like it will be an interesting off season, not that you blokes are worried about that at the moment. I am scared

 

[mickyj]

I would be worried if i was port Ebert and Ackland didnt look that good on sat
Do we have to deal with port why not trade sten and perie and who or what darft pick for pav ?
Or should we look else where for a diff deal Brent harvey from kangs or even richardson who knows ?

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I would be worried if i was port Ebert and Ackland didnt look that good on sat
Do we have to deal with port why not trade sten and perie and who or what darft pick for pav ?
Or should we look else where for a diff deal Brent harvey from kangs or even richardson who knows ?

Surely you cant be talking about Matthew Richardson? Matthew Richardson from Richmond? Your joking me!

 

[Mego Red]

Surely you cant be talking about Matthew Richardson? Matthew Richardson from Richmond? Your joking me!

No, he meant Mr. Richardson, his high school grammar teacher.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Call me an eternal pessimist, but after previous tradeweeks I would not be at all surprised if at the eleventh hour we broke off advanced talks with Pav and instead traded the family silver for either Sav Rocca or Alistair Lynch.

The time has come to be aggressive and opportunistic rather than reactionary for a change. Only if we're smart will names such as Pavlich and/or Waters may be a silly chance of coming through the door.

We need a big name. A real big name. Not a broken down has-been who will retire after 18 months.

We're long overdue to aim big and recruit big - other teams have. In recent years:

Brisbane have snagged a Blake Caracella.
Carlton have snagged a Nick Stevens
Collingwood have snagged a Shane Woewodin
Fremantle have snagged a Des Headland
Hawthorn have snagged an Peter Everitt
Port Adelaide have snagged a Byron Pickett
Richmond have snagged a Kane Johnson and Nathan Brown
Sydney have snagged a Barry Hall

So for all our resources and attraction, where is ours?

It's time.

and
Adelaide have snagged Scott Stevens????? Your dead right DT, it's time to be aggressive. Let's hope John Ried will sit this one out.

 

[Cove Cobra]

Matthew Pavlich will not be coming home full stop

 

[RooDog]

Matthew Pavlich will not be coming home full stop

is that you matthew?

 

[Malibu#27]

a good 10 to 15 years i reckon.


How would this sound for a trade:
WCE Pick 12 to PA
PA Josh Carr to Freo
Freo Matt Pavlich to Crows
Crows Tyson Steinglein to WCE
PA Damon White to Freo
Crows Pick 8 to PA

Terrible trade all round - unless you are Adelaide.

That and the fact that if we are going to give Carr and White to Freo, why would we bother doing the Crows any favours. We'd just ask for Pav as the straight swap.

Pick 8 and Stenglein is (in my opinion) worth less than Carr and White. (I.e Carr is no doubt a better pickup than Stinger)

that being said - I cant see Fremantle swapping Pav for Carr and White..... similarly - O doubt Pav is actually the sort of player we need anymore anyway. Great player - but just dont see the fit.

 

[Cove Cobra]

is that you matthew?

No it isn't. Please don't even entertain the thought of Matthew coming home. This is the most crucial position the AFC has been in and we WILL NOT waste draft picks and/or players on him.

If the AFC sources are correct (and they are 90%) the only player from Western Australia coming home IS Beau Waters.

I understand there is 6 weeks until trade time and a lot more maybe divulged at a later stage but I would bet my 'left nut' on it.

 

[Alex99]

No it isn't. Please don't even entertain the thought of Matthew coming home. This is the most crucial position the AFC has been in and we WILL NOT waste draft picks and/or players on him.

If the AFC sources are correct (and they are 90%) the only player from Western Australia coming home IS Beau Waters.

I understand there is 6 weeks until trade time and a lot more maybe divulged at a later stage but I would bet my 'left nut' on it.

Can you help us out a bit, why would the club prefer B Waters to M Pavlich?


Why would B.Waters be a better fit into the AFC system and not M. Pavlich, if we can get Mathew Pavlich home surly that would be the number one priority and worthy of our first round draft pick and T Stenglein. The only SA kid we would keep that draft pick for would be Ryan Griffin and he will be gone in the top 3.

 

[snakebite01]

Depends what side of the suburb you live in.

Would you be happy with picks 8 and 12 for Hentschell and Goodwin?

No but Hentschel has shown a hell of a lot more than White this year, even if he has had more game time. Goodwin is an AA and B&F winner and whilst his market value would be pick #8 due to his age, his value to the AFC is much higher.

 

[Cove Cobra]

Can you help us out a bit, why would the club prefer B Waters to M Pavlich?


The only SA kid we would keep that draft pick for would be Ryan Griffin and he will be gone in the top 3.

Point 1. He fits the set-up better. (Arguments welcomed)

Point 2. EXACTLY. This is why the perception that Tyson will be gone early in annual trade negotiations is wrong. The AFC will play hard-ball this time 'round and WE WILL succeed in getting the best player to suit the current structure.

The AFC wants Waters. But ATM we are in the position to wait and see what eventuates with other player trades. Griffen suits the AFC requirements perfectly. IMO we won't even get a sniff but it is worth waiting.

Wirrupunda's value is difficult to price but I'm sure that Wallace would love him.

 

[Alex99]

Point 1. He fits the set-up better. (Arguments welcomed)

Point 2. EXACTLY. This is why the perception that Tyson will be gone early in annual trade negotiations is wrong. The AFC will play hard-ball this time 'round and WE WILL succeed in getting the best player to suit the current structure.

The AFC wants Waters. But ATM we are in the position to wait and see what eventuates with other player trades. Griffen suits the AFC requirements perfectly. IMO we won't even get a sniff but it is worth waiting.

Wirrupunda's value is difficult to price but I'm sure that Wallace would love him.

Point one: Mathew Pavlich could play CHF for us and allow Ian Perrie to go to Full Forward with Scott welsh out of a pocket.

Point two: In a pinch M Pavlich could go on the ball, having pav will not change the structure

And the AFC don’t want Mathew Pavlich, please.

 

[Crow-mosone]

No, he meant Mr. Richardson, his high school grammar teacher.

Ah, that Mr Richardson.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Point one: Mathew Pavlich could play CHF for us and allow Ian Perrie to go to Full Forward with Scott welsh out of a pocket.

Where would this leave Watts? I know he wont be playing much next year but I would of thought in 2006 he would be in the starting 22 at CHF. We recruited him to be our CHF for the next 10 years. Seems a bit silly wasting a high pick on a CHF to just recruit a new one the next year.
Im all for getting the Pav but I just dont know the best spot for him in our line up, Im thinking the midfield swapping with Roo up forward.

 

[Alex99]

Where would this leave Watts? I know he wont be playing much next year but I would of thought in 2006 he would be in the starting 22 at CHF. We recruited him to be our CHF for the next 10 years. Seems a bit silly wasting a high pick on a CHF to just recruit a new one the next year.
.

Leaving the AFC in a very enviable position. Watts will have to play on a half forward flank. In 06 we could have 2 very capable CHF. Nothing wrong with that

 

[tribey]

Where would this leave Watts? I know he wont be playing much next year but I would of thought in 2006 he would be in the starting 22 at CHF. We recruited him to be our CHF for the next 10 years. Seems a bit silly wasting a high pick on a CHF to just recruit a new one the next year.

If he's up to it I'd stick him on a flank next season to get his engine up and ease him into regular football at this level.

We'd all agree he's still a good couple of preseasons away from being a regular CHF, and there's no use fast-tracking him and potentially ruining his confidence and/or frame by flogging him in the weights room or sending him out there to be a focal point at this juncture.

 

[Alex99]

If he's up to it I'd stick him on a flank next season to get his engine up and ease him into regular football at this level.

We'd all agree he's still a good couple of preseasons away from being a regular CHF, and there's no use fast-tracking him and potentially ruining his confidence and/or frame by flogging him in the weights room or sending him out there to be a focal point at this juncture.

Exactly, we would like him to play for 10 plus years.

 

[PAfolwr]

No but Hentschel has shown a hell of a lot more than White this year, even if he has had more game time. Goodwin is an AA and B&F winner and whilst his market value would be pick #8 due to his age, his value to the AFC is much higher.

White + Carr is about equal in value to Goodwin + Hentschell.
IMO our lads are worth more and there is no way I would swap, but probably neither would Crow supporters.

Hentschell has played more times than White. He has not shown more than White IMO. Not in the games I have seen, and by the sounds of it neither in the SANFL.

 

[snakebite01]

White + Carr is about equal in value to Goodwin + Hentschell.
IMO our lads are worth more and there is no way I would swap, but probably neither would Crow supporters.

Hentschell has played more times than White. He has not shown more than White IMO. Not in the games I have seen, and by the sounds of it neither in the SANFL.

Hentschel hasn't played SANFL this year and I did acknowledge in my original post that Hentschel has had a lot more game time. My reckoning is that Hentschel has shown more at AFL level in terms of versatility and ability at this stage. Hentschel can quite comfortably play either end of the ground, and has the agility to play on flanks, perhaps even on the wing ala Riewoldt at times. White seems to be only able to play forward and key forward at that, but I admit I haven't seen enough of him to be able to judge. White has looked impressive at AFL level but Henstchel more impressive IMO. I'd personally take Goody over Carr, Carr has more value but he's a little ********.

 

[jc67]

White + Carr is about equal in value to Goodwin + Hentschell.

Fair comparison, the differance is that Carr and White are from WA.
And as such will proberbly go home at some stage.

 

[PAfolwr]

Hentschel hasn't played SANFL this year and I did acknowledge in my original post that Hentschel has had a lot more game time. My reckoning is that Hentschel has shown more at AFL level in terms of versatility and ability at this stage. Hentschel can quite comfortably play either end of the ground, and has the agility to play on flanks, perhaps even on the wing ala Riewoldt at times. White seems to be only able to play forward and key forward at that, but I admit I haven't seen enough of him to be able to judge. White has looked impressive at AFL level but Henstchel more impressive IMO. I'd personally take Goody over Carr, Carr has more value but he's a little ********.

From the little I have seen of Hentschell I'm yet to be convinced he can play as a CHB or CHF. He can "pinch-hit" at this stage, but not permanently. He has more development to come though.
White has shown he could/can hold down CHF. That generally gives players more value.

 

[snakebite01]

From the little I have seen of Hentschell I'm yet to be convinced he can play as a CHB or CHF. He can "pinch-hit" at this stage, but not permanently. He has more development to come though.
White has shown he could/can hold down CHF. That generally gives players more value.

Fair points you make. I can see what you are saying about Hentschel and personally I think it is his light frame that gives this thought. I don't think he will hold down CHF for us permanently either. In five years he will either play on a flank next to Fergie (hopefully) or at FF. I agree White would make a better CHF because I don't think Hentschel has as good a body type as a Watts (albeit not at the moment) or White. However, I'd still take Henstchel over White, unashamedly biased, but for the reasons I have pointed out previously.

 

[PAfolwr]

Fair points you make. I can see what you are saying about Hentschel and personally I think it is his light frame that gives this thought. I don't think he will hold down CHF for us permanently either. In five years he will either play on a flank next to Fergie (hopefully) or at FF. I agree White would make a better CHF because I don't think Hentschel has as good a body type as a Watts (albeit not at the moment) or White. However, I'd still take Henstchel over White, unashamedly biased, but for the reasons I have pointed out previously.

Basically, we just have different coloured lenses.

Bit like comparing 'Cornes to Tredrea' or 'Rocca to Tarrant' in a way. Not that they're as good as those at this stage, but who knows about in future.
At this point in time the future for both players looks good if they keep working at it.
Albeit in different positions/roles.

 

[snakebite01]

Basically, we just have different coloured lenses.

Bit like comparing 'Cornes to Tredrea' or 'Rocca to Tarrant' in a way. Not that they're as good as those at this stage, but who knows about in future.
At this point in time the future for both players looks good if they keep working at it.
Albeit in different positions/roles.

LOL, pretty much.

Yeah, agree with all of the above.