"Peace" Protestors

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
But congratulations to those who successfully used these kids in the protests. Child exploitation of the highest quality.

you can thank the Socialist Alliance for yesterdays well organised meet.

Angry communist they are.

Yianni · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Fred
Where were the protestors when Sadam was killing his own people?

True, but where were the "liberators" when Saddam was killing his own people. Isn't it a bit 'convenient'?

Anyway, I think one reason why a lot of people go all anti-protesting once the war starts is that they don't want to be reminded of what is really happening.

By people protesting, you are constantly reminded of the reality of war. I accept that there are some idiots (flag burners, people with other agendas, etc) who ruin it for everyone, but to pin your anger on them ignores the majority of ppl against the war who are moderate in their views and sincere in their beliefs.

I think once we get to a country whose attitude is "war has started, let's just accept it" we are a worse people for it, as we allow the government to act as it pleases without question. There is no check on their behaviour.

And let's face it, isn't that what we the people are here for?

eastaugh36 · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by mantis
He would have to leave the safety of his computer to do that, I doubt he would have the guts.

He is even too gutless to confront the peace marchers face to face.

And you and your hippy friends are so courageous in throwing tomatoes, wow real tough that.
Peace protesters involved in scuffles in Sydney. How hypocritical !

eastaugh36 · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Horace
Eastaugh, the argument is not about what weapons Saddam has or hasn't got. No one really knows just what he has got, though I think we are all pretty sure that he does have "weapons of mass destruction". However the Coalition also has "weapons of mass destruction" and from what I can see so far, significantly more potent ones.

The protestors are arguing about the morality and the methods that the coalition are using in disarming Iraq. Invading a country and in the process slaughtering many many innocent civilians, as well as some of the Coalition troops in the process, is in my view and I believe in the view of those who are opposed to this war, an abominable act.

A whole lot more will die if hussein is left in power, he will continue his slaughtering of iraqi civillians. I dont see any other way to remove such a lowlife of a leader.
There is no other way and when hussein uses his bio weapons it will also show these protesters that he did have them.

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by eastaugh36
A whole lot more will die if hussein is left in power, he will continue his slaughtering of iraqi civillians. I dont see any other way to remove such a lowlife of a leader.
There is no other way and when hussein uses his bio weapons it will also show these protesters that he did have them.

They will just move on to the next issue which i am sure will involve America and their imprialistic ways.

There is always something to whinge about.

eastaugh36 · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
They will just move on to the next issue which i am sure will involve America and their imprialistic ways.

There is always something to whinge about.

good point.

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

Where were the protestors when Sadam was killing his own people?

Was ANYONE protesting when Saddam was killing his own people. The media didn't even report any civilian persecutions by Saddam, till after the Gulf war.

The US stood by and watched when Saddam gassed 5000 kurds in 1988.

Not only stood by and watched, they vetoed a UN resolution condemning Iraq for the use of chemical weapons.

But of course that was back when the US and Iraq were buddies. And as we all know, its ok to kill your citizens, as long as your on the US buddy list.

Stood by and watched when the Shi-ite south were slaughtered after they revolted, in 91.

So where were the morals of the 'coalition of the willing' back then.

It goes both ways Fred.

Isn't it a case of better late than never?

Do you truly believe that??

Do you believe that aboriginals deserve compensation for there mistreatement by white settlers, in the past 200 years??

Isn't it a case of better late then never????

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

So what do we do? Allow him to keep being a killer? Wait for the UN to stop bitching while he kills more people?

I refuse to support the Anti-War movement..b/c that would be supporting Saddam..as much as many have said it's not the case.

Sorry.

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

So what do we do? Allow him to keep being a killer? Wait for the UN to stop bitching while he kills more people?

Are you aware that there a numerous despot leaders that are currently killing there civilians. Unfortunately Saddam isn't the only one.

Only last weeks, Sharon (and his forces) killed a 13 month old baby. How do you feel about that Frosties. How many UN resolutions have condemned Israel for its treatment of Palestinians. Do you even know??

Look at Mugabe and the treatment of his people. Do you know what we've done about that. We went and played a game of cricket there, thats what we did.

Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan... the list goes on. Just about nearly every country in Africa. Why concentrate on only Saddam.

Lets remove them all.

I refuse to support the Anti-War movement..b/c that would be supporting Saddam..as much as many have said it's not the case.

Come on mate, be serious.

Once again, another point that I've heard mentioned a few times, mysteriously after it was made by Bush during a speech to the national congress.

You seriously believe that we support Saddam because we're anti-war.

Look at the people in Iraq. They don't support Saddam.

Yet they are not reacting to the allied troops as saviours. Why do you think that is?? (Please don't give me a quote that I heard General Franks say at last nights press conference).

Here you go, i'm pre-empting your response

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

So without using force, how do we stop these oppressors then? How do we tell Saddam, Mugabe etc to stop doing what they are doing b/c people think its wrong.

if violence is wrong and being diplomatic doesn't work..then what? More sanctions and make the innocent civilians suffer?

You ppl seem to have all the answers maybe you should be running the world!

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

So without using force, how do we stop these oppressors then?

Well, for one, how bout not supporting them in the first place.

How bout not arming with weapons, which they in turn use against there civilians.

The US makes up 85% of the worlds arms industry, thats a sh*t load of weapons you know.

So there's a start.

violence is wrong and being diplomatic doesn't work..then what? More sanctions and make the innocent civilians suffer?

If? What do you mean if violence is wrong??
In my opinion, besides self defence, all violence is wrong. No if's about it.

Frosties....There are innocent refugee's that are currently being locked up in detention centres.

How would you feel about the US bombing Austalia, to free the innocent refugees.

Look at the persecution of the aborigines throughout the 20th century. How would you have felt if a third country bombed Australia, to free the innocent aborigines from persecution???

There's been sanctions going on now for 10 years. Where was the war-lobby then.

The sanctions were going to be watered down a few years ago, and guess what, the US once again vetoed the resolution. Where was there compassion for the Iraqi civilians back then.

Can't you see this is just a spin used by the UK/US to justify the bombing of Iraq.

You ppl seem to have all the answers maybe you should
be running the world!

We have all the answers do we. Then why aren't you listening???

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Havent you used this arguement in another post. you are sounding like a broken record.

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

Havent you used this arguement in another post. you are sounding like a broken record.

Yeah, and you ignored it in the other post as well. Why is that???

Is there a glitch in the matrix

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Lestat
Yeah, and you ignored it in the other post as well. Why is that???

b/c it sounds like the tripe that the Left belt out time after time. Nothing I havent heard before.

Kind of gets boring after the second time round.

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

b/c it sounds like the tripe that the Left belt out time after time. Nothing I havent heard before.

Don't you mean to say....

Cause the media hasn't covered these issues, hence you don't know how to reply

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Lestat
Don't you mean to say....

Cause the media hasn't covered these issues, hence you don't know how to reply

ahhh so typical of the left..trying to put horrible tasting words in peoples mouths.

Of course what you say is right...the rest of us are poor ignorant souls.

Good bless the left!

daddy_4_eyes · Mar 27, 2003

You sound really naive in those argument Lestat.

Well, for one, how bout not supporting them in the first place.

How bout not arming with weapons, which they in turn use against there civilians.

The US makes up 85% of the worlds arms industry, thats a sh*t load of weapons you know.

Lets ignore the problem and it'll go away, huh?

Great, you come up with a way to patrol blackmarket trading and I'll agree with you.

Frosties....There are innocent refugee's that are currently being locked up in detention centres.

How would you feel about the US bombing Austalia, to free the innocent refugees

Yet another ignorant argument. Have you any idea what would happen if Australia just let anyone into the country?

There's been sanctions going on now for 10 years. Where was the war-lobby then

Sanctions didn't work. The next step must be taken.

Generally, these anit-war people keep coming up with "don't do this" arguments, but never provide a solution. I'm sorry Lestat, but the world isn't as simple as "right and wrong".

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

ahhh so typical of the left..trying to put horrible tasting words in peoples mouths.

hehe, yes, typical of the left.

Is that how it all is to you. Left or right??

Well, sorry to shock your world, but i am left in some issues, and right in more. So does that make me a 'lefty'??

Of course what you say is right...the rest of us are poor ignorant souls.

Poor, definately not. Ignorant....no argument from me.

Good bless the left!

And Good bless America

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Lestat
And Good bless America

Yes and thanks to big American companies like Microsoft you can participate on these forums.

Or are you a Unix user?

Lestat · Mar 27, 2003

Or are you a Unix user?

Linux my friend, Linux.

Microsoft sux, I'm sure you know that.

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
You sound really naive in those argument Lestat.
Generally, these anit-war people keep coming up with "don't do this" arguments, but never provide a solution. I'm sorry Lestat, but the world isn't as simple as "right and wrong".

I agree. I asked him a question and he had to bring out hindsight to answer his questions. The same argument that has been over used.

Instead of whinging about past mistakes lets look ahead and try to find a solution for the problems.

Bluey · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Energiser Bunny
you've shown what you're made of right there.

woof woof!

Well from what I hear they were hardly involved. Mates of mine said they spent most of the time fishing from the side of their aircraft carrier. Though you'd need a pretty long line, and the tangles would be horrendous.

Bluey · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by eastaugh36
And you and your hippy friends are so courageous in throwing tomatoes, wow real tough that.
Peace protesters involved in scuffles in Sydney. How hypocritical !

Better tomatoes than grenades my friend.

Bluey · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Fred
It seems you have misunderstood my post. To compare the actions of Hitler with the action against Iraq makes no sense.
Hitler invaded Poland basically as a land grab. He wanted access to East Prussia.
The invasion of Iraq is to get rid of Saddam, not to take over the country.

There'd be no chance of me being accepted as a volunteer even if I wanted to - age and health would both be against me. I was, however in the Vietnam ballot and would have gone if my number came out.

No war of any sort is good but sometimes it is necessary.

Depends on who you talk to.

Control of Iraq's oil would make a great tool to kick OPEC's arse.

And the 'The US can buy all the oil it needs' type arguments are pretty shallow. They can buy it but pretty soon they will have no control over any sources.

Diego · Mar 27, 2003

Originally posted by Lestat
Linux my friend, Linux.

Microsoft sux, I'm sure you know that.

ahh a convenient reply eh.

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