Pendlebury shifts focus to disposal efficiency

[FuManchu]

Pendlebury is a star. Goodbye.

There are no stars in todays game as it stands.

Ablett and Judd are close, but not in the same class as the last real star of the game: Carey.

A star is a player you would go watch just for the sake of watching him, team allegance aside.

below that are champions, of which we have had one in the last 15 years in buckley

below that you have what some are liking to call elite, of which i reckon there are really only two in the game at the momemt, Ablett and Judd

below that are a multitiude of players in the very good category

Collingwood could really only boast two stars in the last 30 or so years, Daicos and Carmen. Players who defied convention, who would draw spectators to just watch them play.

buckley was not a star, he was very clinical on what he did, superb in his execution, but not a star, he was conventional to the nth degree in fact.

Pendlebury is a long ways off star, champion and elite status, if only for his lack of time in the game, let alone his effect on a game.

he needs to come and destroy a Judd or an Ablett a number of times to elevate himself. He beats lesser opponent, let us see him destroy the very best.

 

[FuManchu]

Still didn't directly answer my question. That said, the bolded bit is laughable, and I'd question the second part as well.

You're poo-pooing for the sake of it here, methinks.

They are far more aggresive in their use of the ball, it is as simple as that in how I appraise them against Pendlebury. You have your parameters, I have mine. I am not telling you how to appraise him, you can classify him any way you want. the bottom line is still his effect in a game against the very best. I havent seen him carve up the very best, I just see him play wide, accumulate wide and give the ball off wide all too often against the very best.

Read what I am saying, not the blinkered version you are looking to hang someone with, just because they dont agree with you.

 

[Pie eyed]

There are no stars in todays game as it stands.

Ablett and Judd are close, but not in the same class as the last real star of the game: Carey.

A star is a player you would go watch just for the sake of watching him, team allegance aside.

below that are champions, of which we have had one in the last 15 years in buckley

below that you have what some are liking to call elite, of which i reckon there are really only two in the game at the momemt, Ablett and Judd

below that are a multitiude of players in the very good category

Collingwood could really only boast two stars in the last 30 or so years, Daicos and Carmen. Players who defied convention, who would draw spectators to just watch them play.

buckley was not a star, he was very clinical on what he did, superb in his execution, but not a star, he was conventional to the nth degree in fact.

Pendlebury is a long ways off star, champion and elite status, if only for his lack of time in the game, let alone his effect on a game.

he needs to come and destroy a Judd or an Ablett a number of times to elevate himself. He beats lesser opponent, let us see him destroy the very best.

The Stars are made and endorsed by the general public and the Media.
They are not "real" entities but "inventions".

I would contend that there are numerous stars of the game and that Pendlebury is one of them despite your incredibly self righteous proclamation.

 

[FuManchu]

The Stars are made and endorsed by the general public and the Media.
They are not "real" entities but "inventions".

I would contend that there are numerous stars of the game and that Pendlebury is one of them despite your incredibly self righteous proclamation.

Name the 'stars' of today and compare them to the likes of Carey, Matthews and Ablett Snr, Not many would come close to effect and longevity at that level.

Pendlebury definitely doesnt.

 

[mdc]

They are far more aggresive in their use of the ball, it is as simple as that in how I appraise them against Pendlebury. You have your parameters, I have mine. I am not telling you how to appraise him, you can classify him any way you want. the bottom line is still his effect in a game against the very best. I havent seen him carve up the very best, I just see him play wide, accumulate wide and give the ball off wide all too often against the very best.

Then you need to pay closer attention. He's one of the league's best clearance players - those generally happen in the middle.

And yes, you have your parameters. They seem to be "Ablett and Judd". What I'm saying is that if those are your parameters, you will be perpetually disappointed. He's nothing like those 2 and will never be.

And if the last player you have gone to watch just for the sake of watching him is Carey, I really feel you're missing out. I could probably name 25, including the magnificent Simon Black.

 

[FuManchu]

Then you need to pay closer attention. He's one of the league's best clearance players - those generally happen in the middle.

And yes, you have your parameters. They seem to be "Ablett and Judd". What I'm saying is that if those are your parameters, you will be perpetually disappointed. He's nothing like those 2 and will never be.

And if the last player you have gone to watch just for the sake of watching him is Carey, I really feel you're missing out. I could probably name 25, including the magnificent Simon Black.

I would hardly go and watch Black play a game. He is not the best mid running around today, he has never really been the best mid, probably top 3 at times, but I would spend my money to see J Brown in full flight. As far as Ablett and Judd are concerned, they do have time and effect on their side when ascertaining their output over pretty much most other mids. Its hard to go past them for nominating the current best mids. S Mitchell is another player up there, but for different reasons than to the other two. I'd probably go and watch the scraggers mid field as an entrity even over watching Judd and Ablett, because when they are cooking they are all that and more at times.

 

[Pie eyed]

Name the 'stars' of today and compare them to the likes of Carey, Matthews and Ablett Snr, Not many would come close to effect and longevity at that level.

Pendlebury definitely doesnt.

I really think that you are fabricating your own extremely narrow definition of a "star" footballer to suit your own need to have something to argue about.
You generally put up a good case for your stance on a given subject but whether a player is or is not a star is totally subjective personally, club allegiance wise and depending on the current flock of players.

You may well think Carey was a "Star" but I don't and never did.
Sure he was a gret player but I would certainly have had Ablett Senior, Jason Dunstall, Kevin Bartlett, Royce Hart and even Peter Daicos ahead of the th Duck. Personally I always thought he ws horribly over-rated and a construct of Bruce's man love.

But if enough people say he is a star then he is no matter what I think.

 

[FuManchu]

I really think that you are fabricating your own extremely narrow definition of a "star" footballer to suit your own need to have something to argue about.
You generally put up a good case for your stance on a given subject but whether a player is or is not a star is totally subjective personally, club allegiance wise and depending on the current flock of players.

You may well think Carey was a "Star" but I don't and never did.
Sure he was a gret player but I would certainly have had Ablett Senior, Jason Dunstall, Kevin Bartlett, Royce Hart and even Peter Daicos ahead of the th Duck. Personally I always thought he ws horribly over-rated and a construct of Bruce's man love.

But if enough people say he is a star then he is no matter what I think.

The fact of the matter is that todays game is so structured in how they have to play that the unconventional is not tolerated. Yet it is the unconventional that we all adore. Running into packs, going for the big grab when all the odds are against it. Todays game doesn't lend itself to it. last year Buddy was displaying some of that, this year not so much, maybe he has issues but if he produced that for 5 or 6 years, he would be a star. As it stands he is just a bloody good player that has shown he has what it takes.

Not sure if you have a calendar, but I said the last star was carey, not the only star. I didnt say he was the best star either, that is always open to debate. For mine Matthews is the best player to ever have run around, maybe then Ablett Snr, But its always open to debate and it depends on what parameters you set on it individually. But Carey's impact on the team and in imposing himself on games is unquestionable, whether you like him as a person or not.

BTW, Pendlebury is not a star ................ yet