Perrie Grrr

[johnnypanther]

i guess i should declare my hand too and say that i'm a Perrie supporter - i gave him votes in the POTY against Melbourne and in 2? (i think) other games this year

he's never going to be in the top class but for all the positive factors mentioned by others in the threads above he more than does his job - one of the very very few in our team that can contest a marking contest legitimitely

IMO he is "trying too hard" (if you know what i mean) and consequently putting extra pressure on himself - i think that if he had more self-confidence in himself and played by instinct and imposed himself on the contest even more then he will be obviously a much better player ( i mean that he's capable of more than we're getting)

however i am perturbed this year by his kicking which has gone backwards

finally, i rate him highly enough to NOT even have had him
on my list of 15 retirement/delisting candidates at the end of the year

 

[macca23]

i guess i should declare my hand too and say that i'm a Perrie supporter - i gave him votes in the POTY against Melbourne and in 2? (i think) other games this year

he's never going to be in the top class but for all the positive factors mentioned by others in the threads above he more than does his job - one of the very very few in our team that can contest a marking contest legitimitely

IMO he is "trying too hard" (if you know what i mean) and consequently putting extra pressure on himself - i think that if he had more self-confidence in himself and played by instinct and imposed himself on the contest even more then he will be obviously a much better player ( i mean that he's capable of more than we're getting)

however i am perturbed this year by his kicking which has gone backwards

finally, i rate him highly enough to NOT even have had him
on my list of 15 retirement/delisting candidates at the end of the year

I gave him votes as well - because he deserved them. I agree with all of your other points re Perrie as well. Good thinking post overall.

Perrie certainly won't be delisted IMO.

 

[tribey]

Perrie certainly won't be delisted IMO.

I ask this realistically rather than a slight, but come 2008 will there have been a less accomplished player in recent memory to spend 10 years at the one club at this level?

 

[johnnypanther]

I ask this realistically rather than a slight, but come 2008 will there have been a less accomplished player in recent memory to spend 10 years at the one club at this level?

of the top of my head - Toby Thurstans

and i'm sure i can come up with plenty with research

 

[tribey]

and i'm sure i can come up with plenty with research

Given today's footy (say, the AFL era 1990-) with salary caps; 52 -> 38 man lists; and the draft; I reckon you'd struggle to come up with 'plenty' of 1-club ten year players or those close to it, let alone 'plenty' worse than Pez.

 

[macca23]

of the top of my head - Toby Thurstans

and i'm sure i can come up with plenty with research

Damn. That's the one I was going to quote!!

May have sligtly more skill than Perrie but on average contributes two steps higher than kf-all IMO.

 

[Mong]

I ask this realistically rather than a slight, but come 2008 will there have been a less accomplished player in recent memory to spend 10 years at the one club at this level?

No. Until 2010 when Matthew Smith finally announces his retirement from AFL football.

 

[jc67]

There have been plenty of players struggle for years and come good also

 

[macca23]

No. Until 2010 when Matthew Smith finally announces his retirement from AFL football.

 

[tribey]

Luke O'Sullivan is the only other one I can think of who is in the Perrie/Thursty category, but in all fairness he did have a stack of talent that was never realised thanks to him suffering more injuries than Ricky Olarenshaw, Ryan Fitzgerald and Humpty Dumpty combined.

 

[outback jack]

I ask this realistically rather than a slight, but come 2008 will there have been a less accomplished player in recent memory to spend 10 years at the one club at this level?

are you talking about perrie??if so thats another poor comment. I think perrie has just missed the last two yrs where he could of taken another step. The first yr carey was here he was looking like he might be something, but ayres moving him back and forward and everywhere else just about destroyed him. He wont improve anymore now imo. Anyway there worse players, doughty will come close i'd say, he'll have a few more yrs to go. Whats sad is you need quality players in key positions, ideally perrie is a leading type, but to have him as our first CHF shows the state we are in.

 

[The Knowledge]

Whats all this trying hard bull********. To be in the afl and to have a successful team, you do not rely on people just trying hard, everyone trys hard. The guy is not co-ordinated. I dont know if any of you have played with a person who tries hard but is ********, but its ********ing annoying.
His best position is by far half back, where at least he MAKES a contest, and it doesnt matter so much if he drops easy balls. But good luck trying to win a position down there now...Kenny and co

Does no-one agree with playing Burton up at full forward, hes proved in the past he can kick a bag full, takes screamers, and contested marks...?
I mean Birdman is an ok midfielder, but surely we could utilize him to better effect in the foraward line.

 

[Mong]

Does no-one agree with playing Burton up at full forward, hes proved in the past he can kick a bag full, takes screamers, and contested marks...?
I mean Birdman is an ok midfielder, but surely we could utilize him to better effect in the foraward line.

You must be new.

I think it's a good observation and one that you'll find 99% of us on here will agree with.

It's a recurring topic on this board.

 

[outback jack]

Whats all this trying hard bull********. To be in the afl and to have a successful team, you do not rely on people just trying hard, everyone trys hard. The guy is not co-ordinated. I dont know if any of you have played with a person who tries hard but is ********, but its ********ing annoying.
His best position is by far half back, where at least he MAKES a contest, and it doesnt matter so much if he drops easy balls. But good luck trying to win a position down there now...Kenny and co

Does no-one agree with playing Burton up at full forward, hes proved in the past he can kick a bag full, takes screamers, and contested marks...?
I mean Birdman is an ok midfielder, but surely we could utilize him to better effect in the foraward line.

You dont have a 185cm FF, but just about everyone agrees that slipping him into a FP or HFF would be ideal. He is just so wasteful on a wing, and not effective at all.

And i cant quite gather you were talking about but if you were referring to perrie at half back i will presume a HBF as McGregor has CHB nailed for the next ten yrs, then you are talking crap. I can just imagine perrie off a flank bouncing the footy on a wing and delivering pinpoint into the forward line

 

[Stiffy_18]

So you werent implying anything by saying what you said.
Anyways, lets get over it....

Ive had a think about it, and your right anyways, the guy may not be lazy, hell i havent seen him train or go on time trials. Obviously I havent been to any home game this year, ive only seen one (Sydney SCG) and the matches on fox footy every week.
BUT the reason why i may percieve him as lazy is the fact that he doesnt know how to make a good lead. By saying this, imean he gets caught in two minds on which direction he needs to take on the lead. This ends up with him usually running around in circles or making short silly leads, which makes him SEEM lazy. Agree?

The reason why Perrie cops so much flack, is because we need, and miss a good full forward, and the lack of a key forward since 1998, has been the reason why we have struggled some years (ie/ last), and may have even cost us premierships (2002-3).
Its particularly annoying given the amount of quality ball supplied from midfield.

This is why believe the darkest day in Crows small history is when Modra left for fremantle.

Can't disagree with that at all but thats not work-rate related

He works hard but since he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, his work rate is often wasted by spending energy on things that are of no benefit to Sarge or the side

BTW, welcome aboard

 

[Stiffy_18]

i guess i should declare my hand too and say that i'm a Perrie supporter - i gave him votes in the POTY against Melbourne and in 2? (i think) other games this year

he's never going to be in the top class but for all the positive factors mentioned by others in the threads above he more than does his job - one of the very very few in our team that can contest a marking contest legitimitely

IMO he is "trying too hard" (if you know what i mean) and consequently putting extra pressure on himself - i think that if he had more self-confidence in himself and played by instinct and imposed himself on the contest even more then he will be obviously a much better player ( i mean that he's capable of more than we're getting)

however i am perturbed this year by his kicking which has gone backwards

finally, i rate him highly enough to NOT even have had him
on my list of 15 retirement/delisting candidates at the end of the year

Well said

 

[Stiffy_18]

No. Until 2010 when Matthew Smith finally announces his retirement from AFL football.

 

[just maybe]

Whats all this trying hard bull********. To be in the afl and to have a successful team, you do not rely on people just trying hard, everyone trys hard.

Sometimes they REALLY don't.

And a few more less accomplished long-term players off the top of my head:

Michael Stevens
Shaun McManus
Jared Poulton
Rowan Jones

 

[The Knowledge]

You dont have a 185cm FF, but just about everyone agrees that slipping him into a FP or HFF would be ideal. He is just so wasteful on a wing, and not effective at all.

And i cant quite gather you were talking about but if you were referring to perrie at half back i will presume a HBF as McGregor has CHB nailed for the next ten yrs, then you are talking crap. I can just imagine perrie off a flank bouncing the footy on a wing and delivering pinpoint into the forward line

You can have a small full forward...
P. Matera has played fullforward..dunno if he is this year...think it might be Lynch or Hansen?? Also Mark Williams at Hawthorn, isnt he leading the coleman so far....and Modra, THE MAN, wasnt huge at what 188-89?


And I was saying that CHB is Perries best position, but it was obvious he isnt a chance at the spot with Kenny there...
I think Perrie played CHB 2 years ago??for a bit, and he looked alright, but meh, thats the only good thing i can write bout the guy, sorry.

BTW Does anyone play fantasy footy on afl.com??

 

[tribey]

are you talking about perrie??if so thats another poor comment. I think perrie has just missed the last two yrs where he could of taken another step. The first yr carey was here he was looking like he might be something, but ayres moving him back and forward and everywhere else just about destroyed him. He wont improve anymore now imo. Anyway there worse players, doughty will come close i'd say, he'll have a few more yrs to go. Whats sad is you need quality players in key positions, ideally perrie is a leading type, but to have him as our first CHF shows the state we are in.

How does this at all relate to the question I asked?

 

[just maybe]

Dan Bradshaw is 186cm or so...

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I ask this realistically rather than a slight, but come 2008 will there have been a less accomplished player in recent memory to spend 10 years at the one club at this level?

Nope..

6 years of trading/drafting since 1998, and the best we can do for our main focal point is Ian Perrie.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Whats all this trying hard bull********. To be in the afl and to have a successful team, you do not rely on people just trying hard, everyone trys hard. The guy is not co-ordinated. I dont know if any of you have played with a person who tries hard but is ********, but its ********ing annoying.
His best position is by far half back, where at least he MAKES a contest, and it doesnt matter so much if he drops easy balls. But good luck trying to win a position down there now...Kenny and co

I tend to agree. The requirements of a modern day AFL footballer are far in excess of a great work ethic.

If I got picked to play against Brisbane this week, I'd work my arse off and I would do the very best I could with what I had. Its nice to know that some of you blokes would pick me again the following week.

 

[just maybe]

There's a slightly different gulf in talent between you and Perrie I'd imagine. If you could turn up Perrie's kind of stats, I probably WOULD pick you again next week, you conceited prat.

 

[slappy]

No. Until 2010 when Matthew Smith finally announces his retirement from AFL football.

his testimonial game will be his first