Perth Stadium

[Lyyynnnchy]

We definitely don't need MCG size, but we need a stadium where your supporter of football can decide on the day that they'd like to go to the football.
When Eagles/Dockers are travelling OK, I (&any other supporter of football) can not go to the game, unless we become members
Football isn't just about the members of a certain club

Why deny the general public a chance to go & watch a game just because they aren't members of 1 of the clubs playing.

I love watching football live no matter who's playing.
I would go to watch Eagles V Coll, just cause i like watching football. I don't support either team, but i'd pay to watch the game

THe only game that will come close to being a sell out is the derby and thats because both sets of supporters will be able to go. I imagine WC will average about 40,000 if we're top 8 and maybe 45,000 if we're top 2/4

 

[Neville Bartos]

Not sure if its already been mentioned but the designs posted in the paper/news have a non-compliant and impractical sports lighting design. All the lights are mounted in a ring around the roof canopy inner ring and will probably create glare issues for the players and mean that broadcast coverage will be inferior to other stadiums with light towers.

Then again, the release images might be purely for marketing and the final design will have big lighting structures mounted to the roof.

Also, the stadium design is kinda bland, yes it utilises open areas and a simplistic approach but it's all a bit meh. Unfortunately this is kinda typical when Perth Architects are involved. Perth Arena was done by ARM from the East Coast and is easily the most striking and architectural pleasing building in WA.

Just my two cents, still a great project for WA and great for WA footy.

 

[master bate]

Hopefully they don't forget the coaches box like Etihad!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Not sure if its already been mentioned but the designs posted in the paper/news have a non-compliant and impractical sports lighting design. All the lights are mounted in a ring around the roof canopy inner ring and will probably create glare issues for the players and mean that broadcast coverage will be inferior to other stadiums with light towers.

That won't matter, can't tell the diff with C7 SD crapfestavision

 

[Alfonz]

Not sure if its already been mentioned but the designs posted in the paper/news have a non-compliant and impractical sports lighting design. All the lights are mounted in a ring around the roof canopy inner ring and will probably create glare issues for the players and mean that broadcast coverage will be inferior to other stadiums with light towers.

Then again, the release images might be purely for marketing and the final design will have big lighting structures mounted to the roof.

Also, the stadium design is kinda bland, yes it utilises open areas and a simplistic approach but it's all a bit meh. Unfortunately this is kinda typical when Perth Architects are involved. Perth Arena was done by ARM from the East Coast and is easily the most striking and architectural pleasing building in WA.

Just my two cents, still a great project for WA and great for WA footy.

Agree with you on the Perth Arena.

However, don't most modern stadiums use lights mounted in the roof canopy? I can't see the issue with this. In fact, it would be far better than some gigantic ugly light towers.

I can see how the design looks bland to some, but to me it looks great. Sure, it is simple and not as daring as the Perth Arena, but at least it still looks good and isn't a major eyesore like the convention centre.

 

[Admiral Byng]

It's impossible to know what it will look like until it's finished, with this Corten steel facade. It might look brilliant, it might look like the place is already rusting and falling apart. Let's just hope it gets built on time and on budget, and it works well inside as a stadium.

 

[Neville Bartos]

Agree with you on the Perth Arena.

However, don't most modern stadiums use lights mounted in the roof canopy? I can't see the issue with this. In fact, it would be far better than some gigantic ugly light towers.

I can see how the design looks bland to some, but to me it looks great. Sure, it is simple and not as daring as the Perth Arena, but at least it still looks good and isn't a major eyesore like the convention centre.

Yes, they do mount them on the canopy but you need multiple heights on your lighting to ensure every area of the ground is evenly lit. The issue with an AFL ground is the large distance to the centre of the pitch. For example:



First example is probably what the winning design looks like. As you can see if you're standing in the middle of the ground, the lighting is coming in at a pretty low-level which causes glare and gives you poor TV lighting. If you raise the lighting source up like in example 2 (which could also be done with lighting towers although not easily done with such a big canvas roof), you get the right angle.

It's a generally a good design, but let's be honest here, the WA government went with the most cheapest design and operations proposal.

 

[mattis117]

THe only game that will come close to being a sell out is the derby and thats because both sets of supporters will be able to go. I imagine WC will average about 40,000 if we're top 8 and maybe 45,000 if we're top 2/4

That's being a bit pessimistic. IMO, Subi turns a lot of people away from going to the footy. Having a brand new stadium will invite a lot of people to start attending games again (as long as the price is reasonable). It is also 4 years from now, the membership bases will have changed by then anyway.

 

[blue harvest]

They've got the athletes running the wrong way in the athletics picture!
I think the images may still be just 'artists impressions' rather than actual plans.

http://perthstadium.com.au/assets/f...ium and Sports Precinct. Athletics format.jpg

 

[Kwality]

We've reached this part of the thread have we?

Gerard Healy summed it up on Melbourne Radio 693 - who is going to run it?

 

[Kwality]

THe only game that will come close to being a sell out is the derby and thats because both sets of supporters will be able to go. I imagine WC will average about 40,000 if we're top 8 and maybe 45,000 if we're top 2/4

A big part of the Stadium will be pre sold tickets, approaching 50k ( both clubs) if the seating is good.

 

[Scotland]

That's being a bit pessimistic. IMO, Subi turns a lot of people away from going to the footy. Having a brand new stadium will invite a lot of people to start attending games again (as long as the price is reasonable). It is also 4 years from now, the membership bases will have changed by then anyway.

Our last premiership year (2006) we had one crowd under 40k (39,400) all season. Membership today vs then is really no different. Demand for memberships is inflated by the ground capacity, attendances fluctuate on form.

I think with a 60k seat stadium our 40k (real - yeah we have 58k or something but I'm only talking about people who have a seat for 11 games a year) members will hold if not grow. Some will drop off because they don't *need* a membership to see footy any more, others who have missed out because the blue rinsers have held all the memberships but are die-hards will jump on board. Plenty on the waiting list will just attend games casually.

I anticipate there will be an Adelaide Oval-esque novelty value associated with the ground opening and 2018, ha, I mean year one attendances will be sky high. I'd expect many games to be sell outs, particularly if West Coast and/or Freo are doing well at the time.

 

[andy_20]

Also, the stadium design is kinda bland, yes it utilises open areas and a simplistic approach but it's all a bit meh. Unfortunately this is kinda typical when Perth Architects are involved. Perth Arena was done by ARM from the East Coast and is easily the most striking and architectural pleasing building in WA.

I think the stadium looks fantastic and I love the rustic type look they are going for. What exactly is a round stadium suppose to look like? Majority of stadiums around the world look simple and bland to a degree.

 

[wahawk]

No we don't. How many premium leagues in the world operate on that basis? Very few I'd suggest. The suggestion that we need to build a stadium so anyone at anytime can go on a whim is absolutely absurd.


Then go watch a WAFL game. They're very enjoyable, cheaper entry, plenty of room to move, cheap full strength cans, better and cheaper food and you can listen to the coaches address or have a kick during breaks.

Australians are different to the rest of the world.
I grew up in Melb. where plenty of people go along as neutral supporters. I used to go along with mates for a day out. No matter who was playing.

You make it sound like its only permissible for Eagles or Dockers supporters to go. That makes for a really good atmosphere

As for telling me to go watch the WAFL, i'll rephrase it. I love watching AFL live no matter who's playing

 

[holybishop]

Australians are different to the rest of the world.
I grew up in Melb. where plenty of people go along as neutral supporters. I used to go along with mates for a day out. No matter who was playing.

You make it sound like its only permissible for Eagles or Dockers supporters to go. That makes for a really good atmosphere

As for telling me to go watch the WAFL, i'll rephrase it. I love watching AFL live no matter who's playing

It's not financially viable to encourage patrons to turn up on the day rather than buy memberships.

 

[Chris_6678]

Gerard Healy summed it up on Melbourne Radio 693 - who is going to run it?

I am.

 

[wahawk]

It's not financially viable to encourage patrons to turn up on the day rather than buy memberships.

im not sure if my 1st post was taken wrong ?
I think 60,000 is a good number. Your average supporter should be able to get a seat.
Except for times like Lyyynnnchy said. i.e.; derby games

 

[Rob]

Gerard Healy summed it up on Melbourne Radio 693 - who is going to run it?

Not exactly a comprehensive summation.

 

[seanoff]

Also, the stadium design is kinda bland, yes it utilises open areas and a simplistic approach but it's all a bit meh. Unfortunately this is kinda typical when Perth Architects are involved. Perth Arena was done by ARM from the East Coast and is easily the most striking and architectural pleasing building in WA.

Just my two cents, still a great project for WA and great for WA footy.

Cox are based in brisbane, HKS are based in Dallas, TX, hassell are an international company with its roots in adelaide, and Arup are massive and i would suspect are doing the engineering.

Companies with Jerry World, MCG, AAMI park, adelaide oval, lucas oil, etc on their vast resumes.

Where are the Perth architects?

There is only so much you can do with an oval shape. Most of the design is on the outside. The inside is constricted by the fact you need to put 60000 pairs of eyes towards some grass and those design rules are well known and reasonably set.

The spectators seem well catered for with bars, eateries, etc etc in a light and spacious interior with views over the river and into the city enhancing the spectator experience.

The exterior seems to be light, and somewhat interesting with bronze used. It allows lots of light into the back of house public area.

The surrounding area seems interesting enough.

I'm not sure what people expect from stadium design.

 

[estibador]

I'm not sure what people expect from stadium design.

You know what fans of Victorian teams are like - no matter how comfortable it is or how good the view is, if it isn't an exact replica of the MCG (including all the history) then it's a shit stadium that they wouldn't be seen dead in.

 

[Defacto]

I'm pretty sure some of it is heritage listed, perhaps the gates?

If so, there will always be some component there. I can't see how they can retain stands and make it open to the public. Would be asking for antisocial behaviour and damage.

Ideal world would be to knock it all down but the members wing. Keep the ground as well lit open space. Perhaps develop some entertainment or small restaurants within it. Allow development on Kitchener Park instead.

the old 3 tier and two tier stand definetly have to go. that would open it up a fair bit. theres great facilities there for the next level down. plus there will be vacant office space when the eagles move out.

maybe subi will move back there? who knows?

but i'd hate to see it all knocked down

 

[seanoff]

Yes, they do mount them on the canopy but you need multiple heights on your lighting to ensure every area of the ground is evenly lit. The issue with an AFL ground is the large distance to the centre of the pitch. For example:

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First example is probably what the winning design looks like. As you can see if you're standing in the middle of the ground, the lighting is coming in at a pretty low-level which causes glare and gives you poor TV lighting. If you raise the lighting source up like in example 2 (which could also be done with lighting towers although not easily done with such a big canvas roof), you get the right angle.

It's a generally a good design, but let's be honest here, the WA government went with the most cheapest design and operations proposal.

I cant see that canopy mounted lights are going to be any lower then etihad in melbourne. I suspect 5 to 10 m higher or more in fact.

Eithad has canopy lights, because it cannot have towers and that seems to work. And the horseshit that etihad is a postage stamp is entirely incorrect. It is a full 50cm shorter that the MCG. And 6m a side less wide.

If the lighting works there it will work here. I'm also pretty sure the lighting model has been done by all the relevant experts in that field, and if that design doesn't have light towers or gantries it has probably been decided it doesn't need them.

 

[Kwality]

Not exactly a comprehensive summation.

Strange as it may seem it is what will dictate where both WA clubs go in the future & Healy is brief, succinct, & on the ball.

 

[Kwality]

You know what fans of Victorian teams are like - no matter how comfortable it is or how good the view is, if it isn't an exact replica of the MCG (including all the history) then it's a shit stadium that they wouldn't be seen dead in.

As long as WA footy is not taken to the cleaners by a stadium manager that in anyway replicates a suburban cricket club (Melbourne Cricket Club), footy fans nationally can heave a breath of relief.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Strange as it may seem it is what will dictate where both WA clubs go in the future & Healy is brief, succinct, & on the ball.

100% agree. Recent issues with Etihad and AO have been the priorities of stadium management and its stakeholders haven't aligned with tenant clubs

WCE and Freo have a very friendly arrangement right now at Subi, you would want to know who is running this joint, who they answer to, and what their priorities are